Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November
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ah well there is only so far even I will go to defend a badly written article.
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@NTA his comment about them shifting the point of attack through the phases rather than one off runners as they usually do, was basically a switch of team tactics, we kept bashing it up one, maybe 2 wide, easily picked off.
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I'm sorry going back to that game last week but the backline was faster without JB, he can't catch a ball in the midfield on the run, because he was not expecting it, what was he there for, late-night security?
We need a more dynamic runner in midfield. We really really do.
Benched far too late, Patty T was there or thereabouts but he so seldom really pushes, where is his go forward? Ok in the lineouts but he just does not seem to use his weight. Even with the pushover try he fell off the back because it was Sotutu and Taylor doing all the work.
Sotutu-has to start, most dominating AB forward. Ardie is out of position and just not big enough or strong enough.
McKenzie looks so fast but I always worry about his ball security.
Why did they not kick behind the Argies earlier? Their backs look far more fragile than their forwards. Oh and Matera was great at the steal but Kremer is a beast. Their hooker was excellent, I was amazed at his fitness considering that belly.
We lost on pivotal 50-50 mistakes, a slip by Smith, bad kicking by Richie, (and BB I think). Our basic skills are perhaps not as solid as we would like to think Shame we could not have used that 70+ minute intensity earlier.
And quite a few cynical neck rolls by the Argies. Never got picked up. But the way they defended, the quality of their tackling wow. We never had that level of dominant tackling and were wrecked at the breakdown. Until Sotutu started. Nope, I still can't understand why Sotutu is not starting. And Frizell tried, but would you have wanted him there or Akira?
Summary: Again a very reactive team performance until it was too late. I still cannot see this magical Foster vision. -
@NTA said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Squidge Rugby has his video up. Interesting point about Frizell in that argie try
Disgusting by Frizell. Lazy bugger. Akira must play 6.
My God, the All Blacks stank last week. Worst performance by the Men in Black for over 25 years IMHO.
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@NTA genuinely not sour grapes, but it was interesting to see the final Matera penalty was as clear a hands on the ground, then roll back to the ball as you'll see. And Squidge just ignores it ...
still a good video though. Everyone loves an underdog. It did make me think we were closet at times, but just couldn't actually hold on to the ball - so we were well below our attacking best, Argies were sensational, and overall we got beaten up. This seems like a dumb rugby team, with a lack of collective nous.
Take the three should be our mantra - kicking for the corner is often some macho bollocks that doesn't pay off with modern defences. Scoreboard pressure opens up games too.
Also, Refs should be whistling advantage over after 2-3 phases max. Running 15 attacking phases, then coming back for a penalty just has me shaking my head (both ways - I don't like it when it happens to us either). Modern defences don't break down after a few rucks any more... so where's the advantage coming from?
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@NTA genuinely not sour grapes, but it was interesting to see the final Matera penalty was as clear a hands on the ground, then roll back to the ball as you'll see. And Squidge just ignores it ...
still a good video though. Everyone loves an underdog. It did make me think we were closet at times, but just couldn't actually hold on to the ball - so we were well below our attacking best, Argies were sensational, and overall we got beaten up. This seems like a dumb rugby team, with a lack of collective nous.
Take the three should be our mantra - kicking for the corner is often some macho bollocks that doesn't pay off with modern defences. Scoreboard pressure opens up games too.
Also, Refs should be whistling advantage over after 2-3 phases max. Running 15 attacking phases, then coming back for a penalty just has me shaking my head (both ways - I don't like it when it happens to us either). Modern defences don't break down after a few rucks any more... so where's the advantage coming from?
@nzzp said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@NTA genuinely not sour grapes, but it was interesting to see the final Matera penalty was as clear a hands on the ground, then roll back to the ball as you'll see. And Squidge just ignores it ...
still a good video though. Everyone loves an underdog. It did make me think we were closet at times, but just couldn't actually hold on to the ball - so we were well below our attacking best, Argies were sensational, and overall we got beaten up. This seems like a dumb rugby team, with a lack of collective nous.
Take the three should be our mantra - kicking for the corner is often some macho bollocks that doesn't pay off with modern defences. Scoreboard pressure opens up games too.
Also, Refs should be whistling advantage over after 2-3 phases max. Running 15 attacking phases, then coming back for a penalty just has me shaking my head (both ways - I don't like it when it happens to us either). Modern defences don't break down after a few rucks any more... so where's the advantage coming from?
I thought exactly same about Matera penalty.
Frizell trip was really poor.
Aoane/Sotutu for Puma 2.
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@NTA genuinely not sour grapes, but it was interesting to see the final Matera penalty was as clear a hands on the ground, then roll back to the ball as you'll see. And Squidge just ignores it ...
still a good video though. Everyone loves an underdog. It did make me think we were closet at times, but just couldn't actually hold on to the ball - so we were well below our attacking best, Argies were sensational, and overall we got beaten up. This seems like a dumb rugby team, with a lack of collective nous.
Take the three should be our mantra - kicking for the corner is often some macho bollocks that doesn't pay off with modern defences. Scoreboard pressure opens up games too.
Also, Refs should be whistling advantage over after 2-3 phases max. Running 15 attacking phases, then coming back for a penalty just has me shaking my head (both ways - I don't like it when it happens to us either). Modern defences don't break down after a few rucks any more... so where's the advantage coming from?
@nzzp said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Also, Refs should be whistling advantage over after 2-3 phases max. Running 15 attacking phases, then coming back for a penalty just has me shaking my head (both ways - I don't like it when it happens to us either). Modern defences don't break down after a few rucks any more... so where's the advantage coming from?
Teams won't want to run the ball if you shorten the advantage, or we will see them going for miracle plays.
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@nzzp said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Also, Refs should be whistling advantage over after 2-3 phases max. Running 15 attacking phases, then coming back for a penalty just has me shaking my head (both ways - I don't like it when it happens to us either). Modern defences don't break down after a few rucks any more... so where's the advantage coming from?
Teams won't want to run the ball if you shorten the advantage, or we will see them going for miracle plays.
@Crazy-Horse said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@nzzp said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Also, Refs should be whistling advantage over after 2-3 phases max. Running 15 attacking phases, then coming back for a penalty just has me shaking my head (both ways - I don't like it when it happens to us either). Modern defences don't break down after a few rucks any more... so where's the advantage coming from?
Teams won't want to run the ball if you shorten the advantage, or we will see them going for miracle plays.
Will they do anything different to what's happening at the moment though? I just find it so frustrating to see a good minute of rugby go 25 m back down the field for an advantage.
From the weekend, we saw Sanchez only try a chip through after the penalty advantage came. NH sides are smarter than we are about this - they only chance their arm under penalty advantage.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@nzzp said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Also, Refs should be whistling advantage over after 2-3 phases max. Running 15 attacking phases, then coming back for a penalty just has me shaking my head (both ways - I don't like it when it happens to us either). Modern defences don't break down after a few rucks any more... so where's the advantage coming from?
Teams won't want to run the ball if you shorten the advantage, or we will see them going for miracle plays.
Will they do anything different to what's happening at the moment though? I just find it so frustrating to see a good minute of rugby go 25 m back down the field for an advantage.
From the weekend, we saw Sanchez only try a chip through after the penalty advantage came. NH sides are smarter than we are about this - they only chance their arm under penalty advantage.
@nzzp yeah you question what the ref deems an advantage sometimes.
I mean multiple phases and 15m downfield, is that not an advantage?? Just because they havent been able to do anything despite holding the ball for 2 minutes doesnt mean no advantage.
I mean a knock on advantage is over after 2 passes half the time
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Tactical or territorial advantage is the guide.
If it is knocked on and you pick it up and kick, run 5 metres or pass it 2 wide, then you've probably utilised what you would have off the back of a scrum anyway.
Penalty becomes a bit more complex because it depends on location, flow of the game and what options the teams have been taking to that point. You're not going too long if Team A is still pinned inside their own 22.
If they're in Team B's 22, it is a different matter but jeez - 15 phases is a bit much unless you can see them breaking down the defence.
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Tactical or territorial advantage is the guide.
If it is knocked on and you pick it up and kick, run 5 metres or pass it 2 wide, then you've probably utilised what you would have off the back of a scrum anyway.
Penalty becomes a bit more complex because it depends on location, flow of the game and what options the teams have been taking to that point. You're not going too long if Team A is still pinned inside their own 22.
If they're in Team B's 22, it is a different matter but jeez - 15 phases is a bit much unless you can see them breaking down the defence.
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@NTA said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Penalty becomes a bit more complex because it depends on location,
Yep. Has to be taken into account if three points are on offer.
@Snowy said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@NTA said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Penalty becomes a bit more complex because it depends on location,
Yep. Has to be taken into account if three points are on offer.
And if the team has a kicker of bombing them from anywhere inside the opposition half etc.
Sevens is easy - pretty much everything is advantage over!
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@Snowy said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@NTA said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Penalty becomes a bit more complex because it depends on location,
Yep. Has to be taken into account if three points are on offer.
And if the team has a kicker of bombing them from anywhere inside the opposition half etc.
Sevens is easy - pretty much everything is advantage over!
@NTA plenty of examples in M10 Cup where a penalty advantage inside the 22 is pretty much goes until the attacking team score, lose possession or the other team infringes again.
I guess the good thing is, the refs have largely been consistent on it, so there's that!
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@nzzp said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@NTA genuinely not sour grapes, but it was interesting to see the final Matera penalty was as clear a hands on the ground, then roll back to the ball as you'll see. And Squidge just ignores it ...
still a good video though. Everyone loves an underdog. It did make me think we were closet at times, but just couldn't actually hold on to the ball - so we were well below our attacking best, Argies were sensational, and overall we got beaten up. This seems like a dumb rugby team, with a lack of collective nous.
Take the three should be our mantra - kicking for the corner is often some macho bollocks that doesn't pay off with modern defences. Scoreboard pressure opens up games too.
Also, Refs should be whistling advantage over after 2-3 phases max. Running 15 attacking phases, then coming back for a penalty just has me shaking my head (both ways - I don't like it when it happens to us either). Modern defences don't break down after a few rucks any more... so where's the advantage coming from?
I thought exactly same about Matera penalty.
Frizell trip was really poor.
Aoane/Sotutu for Puma 2.
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I thought exactly same about Matera penalty.
Frizell trip was really poor.For all he was poor in that passage, I don't think that was evidence of an attempted trip - the leg didn't swing anywhere near enough into the path of the Dirty Sanchez.
Aoane/Sotutu for Puma 2.
Agreed. It's so obvious it's infuriating.
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@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I thought exactly same about Matera penalty.
Frizell trip was really poor.For all he was poor in that passage, I don't think that was evidence of an attempted trip - the leg didn't swing anywhere near enough into the path of the Dirty Sanchez.
Aoane/Sotutu for Puma 2.
Agreed. It's so obvious it's infuriating.
@antipodean and TBH, those 2 changes is likely to provide a huge difference to our game, then just minor tweaks to our game plan will reap huge rewards.
Wholesale changes for B4, then again for Argie 1, are we in for a raft of changes again?
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@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I thought exactly same about Matera penalty.
Frizell trip was really poor.For all he was poor in that passage, I don't think that was evidence of an attempted trip - the leg didn't swing anywhere near enough into the path of the Dirty Sanchez.
Aoane/Sotutu for Puma 2.
Agreed. It's so obvious it's infuriating.
@antipodean said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I thought exactly same about Matera penalty.
Frizell trip was really poor.For all he was poor in that passage, I don't think that was evidence of an attempted trip - the leg didn't swing anywhere near enough into the path of the Dirty Sanchez.
Aoane/Sotutu for Puma 2.
Agreed. It's so obvious it's infuriating.
Yeah - I think the attempted foot trip is a bit of a hatchet job on Shannon. And if you look at the wide shot at the end he's far from the only AB forward walking back.
However, that being said, it is definitely time to give Akira and Sotutu their chances.
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@antipodean and TBH, those 2 changes is likely to provide a huge difference to our game, then just minor tweaks to our game plan will reap huge rewards.
Wholesale changes for B4, then again for Argie 1, are we in for a raft of changes again?
@taniwharugby said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Wholesale changes for B4, then again for Argie 1, are we in for a raft of changes again?
We need to be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater by making a complete raft of changes.
But, bringing in e.g. Laulala for Lomax and even (to an extent) Barrett for Tuipolotu is bringing additional experience.
Which, in my view, means we can afford a few rookies. I'm suggesting Akira, Sotutu and Jordan, but two out of three will be acceptable.
I'll be pissed if we get none.
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@taniwharugby said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Wholesale changes for B4, then again for Argie 1, are we in for a raft of changes again?
We need to be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater by making a complete raft of changes.
But, bringing in e.g. Laulala for Lomax and even (to an extent) Barrett for Tuipolotu is bringing additional experience.
Which, in my view, means we can afford a few rookies. I'm suggesting Akira, Sotutu and Jordan, but two out of three will be acceptable.
I'll be pissed if we get none.
@Chris-B said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@taniwharugby said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Wholesale changes for B4, then again for Argie 1, are we in for a raft of changes again?
We need to be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater by making a complete raft of changes.
But, bringing in e.g. Laulala for Lomax and even (to an extent) Barrett for Tuipolotu is bringing additional experience.
Which, in my view, means we can afford a few rookies. I'm suggesting Akira, Sotutu and Jordan, but two out of three will be acceptable.
I'll be pissed if we get none.
If Akira doesn't start there is something wrong that we just don't know about.
