Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November
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The thinking behind Goodhue at 12 for the Saders was that after we lost Crotty there wasn’t a natural successor.
It was one of those combo decisions where there were two potential options in Goodhue and Havili.
Havili was also the best fullback in the Saders squad.
Then add to the mix that Razor wanted Ennor to transition to the wing.
So you have a 10+ test All Black in Goodhue that has attributes to play 2nd 5 but will take some time.
I think it’s worth persisting with but it’s going to take time as we have seen for others that have transitioned from wing or centre to 2nd 5.
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@nostrildamus said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Thanks for the blast from the past, great to see those players again, in form.
Aaron smith was sensational, got to every damn ruck fast it seemed
@nzzp said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@nostrildamus said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Thanks for the blast from the past, great to see those players again, in form.
Aaron smith was sensational, got to every damn ruck fast it seemed
The thing I remember about that try was Nonu's coolness under pressure in the move before Crotty scored.
The ball bobbling along the ground to Nonu who just kept still, sized up the options, picked up the ball and ran at 45% to tie up 3-4 Irish defenders. Quick ruck ball, defence stretched and Crotty scores.
We need some of that headspace in the ABs right now.
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The thinking behind Goodhue at 12 for the Saders was that after we lost Crotty there wasn’t a natural successor.
It was one of those combo decisions where there were two potential options in Goodhue and Havili.
Havili was also the best fullback in the Saders squad.
Then add to the mix that Razor wanted Ennor to transition to the wing.
So you have a 10+ test All Black in Goodhue that has attributes to play 2nd 5 but will take some time.
I think it’s worth persisting with but it’s going to take time as we have seen for others that have transitioned from wing or centre to 2nd 5.
@ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
I think it’s worth persisting with but it’s going to take time as we have seen for others that have transitioned from wing or centre to 2nd 5.
You'd like to think that Fozzie trusts ALB & Goodhue enough to work out which position is best for each other depending on how the game is going. Perhaps that's the plan.
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One thing which Wobs did when taking contact against the Pumas was to put in a small step just before contact. Meant Puma tackler had to readjust and less solid contact.
ALB was very effective at that when 12 late in Argy 1. Don’t think it’s in Jack’s toolkit.
Nonu had a great step early in career, but rarely seemed to need to use it at 12.
Horan was amazing at that in 1999 semi against Boks. -
@Machpants Yeah, Chicago was my first thought when I saw that, also, why do newspapers say stupid things like "NZ-born director" instead of just NZer?
@Nepia Because in December he was said to be living in LA?
I understand he is separated but he probably still has a house there?
https://www.magzter.com/article/Lifestyle/Esquire-Singapore/Taika-Waititi-Takes-On-The-Marvel-Star-Wars-And-Dc-Universes -
One thing which Wobs did when taking contact against the Pumas was to put in a small step just before contact. Meant Puma tackler had to readjust and less solid contact.
ALB was very effective at that when 12 late in Argy 1. Don’t think it’s in Jack’s toolkit.
Nonu had a great step early in career, but rarely seemed to need to use it at 12.
Horan was amazing at that in 1999 semi against Boks.@pakman said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Nonu had a great step early in career, but rarely seemed to need to use it at 12.
He used how he held the ball in his hands to confuse defenders a lot in his latter career. BB's try in RWC2015 semi was a classic example. Imagine he learned that from Conrad Smith who was a master of it.
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I don't understand the Ennor comment-weren't they trying him at 13? With what level of success though?
@nostrildamus said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
I don't understand the Ennor comment-weren't they trying him at 13? With what level of success though?
Yes this was going to be his first full season for the Saders at 13. But then he got injured.
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but he did play a few games right-was it a success? I ask as some time ago I thought I read they moved JG in to accommodate Ennor but moving an AB 13 to 12 doesn't make much sense unless (as someone said above ) perhaps they thought JG would make a good 12 where outright speed is less of a concern.
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@Nepia Because in December he was said to be living in LA?
I understand he is separated but he probably still has a house there?
https://www.magzter.com/article/Lifestyle/Esquire-Singapore/Taika-Waititi-Takes-On-The-Marvel-Star-Wars-And-Dc-Universes@nostrildamus said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Nepia Because in December he was said to be living in LA?
I understand he is separated but he probably still has a house there?
https://www.magzter.com/article/Lifestyle/Esquire-Singapore/Taika-Waititi-Takes-On-The-Marvel-Star-Wars-And-Dc-UniversesI still find it weird, I live in Australia, I'm just a NZer not a NZ born insert job here.
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@nostrildamus said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Nepia Because in December he was said to be living in LA?
I understand he is separated but he probably still has a house there?
https://www.magzter.com/article/Lifestyle/Esquire-Singapore/Taika-Waititi-Takes-On-The-Marvel-Star-Wars-And-Dc-UniversesI still find it weird, I live in Australia, I'm just a NZer not a NZ born insert job here.
@Nepia said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@nostrildamus said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Nepia Because in December he was said to be living in LA?
I understand he is separated but he probably still has a house there?
https://www.magzter.com/article/Lifestyle/Esquire-Singapore/Taika-Waititi-Takes-On-The-Marvel-Star-Wars-And-Dc-UniversesI still find it weird, I live in Australia, I'm just a NZer not a NZ born insert job here.
It is interesting, isn't it? I wonder if it was his PR team trying to make him look available to the US big bosses (don't worry we won't do a FoTC on you) or the Americans not thinking someone could be successful if not based in America..
PS I assume you don't like being called a NZ-born Australian then
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@Nepia said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@nostrildamus said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Nepia Because in December he was said to be living in LA?
I understand he is separated but he probably still has a house there?
https://www.magzter.com/article/Lifestyle/Esquire-Singapore/Taika-Waititi-Takes-On-The-Marvel-Star-Wars-And-Dc-UniversesI still find it weird, I live in Australia, I'm just a NZer not a NZ born insert job here.
It is interesting, isn't it? I wonder if it was his PR team trying to make him look available to the US big bosses (don't worry we won't do a FoTC on you) or the Americans not thinking someone could be successful if not based in America..
PS I assume you don't like being called a NZ-born Australian then@nostrildamus said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Nepia said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@nostrildamus said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Nepia Because in December he was said to be living in LA?
I understand he is separated but he probably still has a house there?
https://www.magzter.com/article/Lifestyle/Esquire-Singapore/Taika-Waititi-Takes-On-The-Marvel-Star-Wars-And-Dc-UniversesI still find it weird, I live in Australia, I'm just a NZer not a NZ born insert job here.
It is interesting, isn't it? I wonder if it was his PR team trying to make him look available to the US big bosses (don't worry we won't do a FoTC on you) or the Americans not thinking someone could be successful if not based in America..
PS I assume you don't like being called a NZ-born Australian thenIt's all good, it's factually incorrect anyway ... no Aussie citizenship for this guy.
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@nostrildamus said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Nepia said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@nostrildamus said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Nepia Because in December he was said to be living in LA?
I understand he is separated but he probably still has a house there?
https://www.magzter.com/article/Lifestyle/Esquire-Singapore/Taika-Waititi-Takes-On-The-Marvel-Star-Wars-And-Dc-UniversesI still find it weird, I live in Australia, I'm just a NZer not a NZ born insert job here.
It is interesting, isn't it? I wonder if it was his PR team trying to make him look available to the US big bosses (don't worry we won't do a FoTC on you) or the Americans not thinking someone could be successful if not based in America..
PS I assume you don't like being called a NZ-born Australian thenIt's all good, it's factually incorrect anyway ... no Aussie citizenship for this guy.
@Nepia said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@nostrildamus said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Nepia said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@nostrildamus said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Nepia Because in December he was said to be living in LA?
I understand he is separated but he probably still has a house there?
https://www.magzter.com/article/Lifestyle/Esquire-Singapore/Taika-Waititi-Takes-On-The-Marvel-Star-Wars-And-Dc-UniversesI still find it weird, I live in Australia, I'm just a NZer not a NZ born insert job here.
It is interesting, isn't it? I wonder if it was his PR team trying to make him look available to the US big bosses (don't worry we won't do a FoTC on you) or the Americans not thinking someone could be successful if not based in America..
PS I assume you don't like being called a NZ-born Australian thenIt's all good, it's factually incorrect anyway ... no Aussie citizenship for this guy.
Yeah, I would assume that using NZ-born indicates that someone isn't actually an NZ citizen, or has both but identifies as a citizen of another country. Strange.
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@nostrildamus said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Nepia Because in December he was said to be living in LA?
I understand he is separated but he probably still has a house there?
https://www.magzter.com/article/Lifestyle/Esquire-Singapore/Taika-Waititi-Takes-On-The-Marvel-Star-Wars-And-Dc-UniversesI still find it weird, I live in Australia, I'm just a NZer not a NZ born insert job here.
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@Nepia Nah, you're a Kiwi-Aussie or Kiwi-born Aussie unless you are just in transit. No representation without taxation:face_with_stuck-out_tongue_winking_eye:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Nepia Nah, you're a Kiwi-Aussie or Kiwi-born Aussie unless you are just in transit. No representation without taxation:face_with_stuck-out_tongue_winking_eye:
I thought they changed the rules in Oz in 2001 so you have to have Oz citizenship to vote, (but in NZ, Aussie-borns can still vote?) If so Kwozzies (Kiwis in Oz) have taxation but no representation!
EDIT it just occurred to me a Kiwi living in Oz (or vice versa) is a (Tr)anzac!
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Nepia Nah, you're a Kiwi-Aussie or Kiwi-born Aussie unless you are just in transit. No representation without taxation:face_with_stuck-out_tongue_winking_eye:
I thought they changed the rules in Oz in 2001 so you have to have Oz citizenship to vote, (but in NZ, Aussie-borns can still vote?) If so Kwozzies (Kiwis in Oz) have taxation but no representation!
EDIT it just occurred to me a Kiwi living in Oz (or vice versa) is a (Tr)anzac!
@nostrildamus No idea. Just shit stirring.
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@nostrildamus said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Nepia Because in December he was said to be living in LA?
I understand he is separated but he probably still has a house there?
https://www.magzter.com/article/Lifestyle/Esquire-Singapore/Taika-Waititi-Takes-On-The-Marvel-Star-Wars-And-Dc-UniversesI still find it weird, I live in Australia, I'm just a NZer not a NZ born insert job here.
@Nepia said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@nostrildamus said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Nepia Because in December he was said to be living in LA?
I understand he is separated but he probably still has a house there?
https://www.magzter.com/article/Lifestyle/Esquire-Singapore/Taika-Waititi-Takes-On-The-Marvel-Star-Wars-And-Dc-UniversesI still find it weird, I live in Australia, I'm just a NZer not a NZ born insert job here.
It's about being pasifika, he says he's an NZ born (whatever island, I can't remember).
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The thinking behind Goodhue at 12 for the Saders was that after we lost Crotty there wasn’t a natural successor.
It was one of those combo decisions where there were two potential options in Goodhue and Havili.
Havili was also the best fullback in the Saders squad.
Then add to the mix that Razor wanted Ennor to transition to the wing.
So you have a 10+ test All Black in Goodhue that has attributes to play 2nd 5 but will take some time.
I think it’s worth persisting with but it’s going to take time as we have seen for others that have transitioned from wing or centre to 2nd 5.
@ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
The thinking behind Goodhue at 12 for the Saders was that after we lost Crotty there wasn’t a natural successor.
It was one of those combo decisions where there were two potential options in Goodhue and Havili.
Havili was also the best fullback in the Saders squad.
Then add to the mix that Razor wanted Ennor to transition to the wing.
So you have a 10+ test All Black in Goodhue that has attributes to play 2nd 5 but will take some time.
I think it’s worth persisting with but it’s going to take time as we have seen for others that have transitioned from wing or centre to 2nd 5.
Jordie should have stayed in the Canterbury/Crusaders system, where he could have continued to play 2nd five and right about now he'd be a sort of SBW Mk II - a big, tall player, offloading all over the place, but not made of glass.
Instead, he's clogging up a wing, not going to be a first choice fullback until his brother loses his pace, and the Canes are not going to play him at 2nd five while he's their best fullback and they have Laumape.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
The thinking behind Goodhue at 12 for the Saders was that after we lost Crotty there wasn’t a natural successor.
It was one of those combo decisions where there were two potential options in Goodhue and Havili.
Havili was also the best fullback in the Saders squad.
Then add to the mix that Razor wanted Ennor to transition to the wing.
So you have a 10+ test All Black in Goodhue that has attributes to play 2nd 5 but will take some time.
I think it’s worth persisting with but it’s going to take time as we have seen for others that have transitioned from wing or centre to 2nd 5.
Jordie should have stayed in the Canterbury/Crusaders system, where he could have continued to play 2nd five and right about now he'd be a sort of SBW Mk II - a big, tall player, offloading all over the place, but not made of glass.
Instead, he's clogging up a wing, not going to be a first choice fullback until his brother loses his pace, and the Canes are not going to play him at 2nd five while he's their best fullback and they have Laumape.
@Chris-B said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
The thinking behind Goodhue at 12 for the Saders was that after we lost Crotty there wasn’t a natural successor.
It was one of those combo decisions where there were two potential options in Goodhue and Havili.
Havili was also the best fullback in the Saders squad.
Then add to the mix that Razor wanted Ennor to transition to the wing.
So you have a 10+ test All Black in Goodhue that has attributes to play 2nd 5 but will take some time.
I think it’s worth persisting with but it’s going to take time as we have seen for others that have transitioned from wing or centre to 2nd 5.
Jordie should have stayed in the Canterbury/Crusaders system, where he could have continued to play 2nd five and right about now he'd be a sort of SBW Mk II - a big, tall player, offloading all over the place, but not made of glass.
Instead, he's clogging up a wing, not going to be a first choice fullback until his brother loses his pace, and the Canes are not going to play him at 2nd five while he's their best fullback and they have Laumape.
Alternative is he can come to the Blues (as he's rumoured to be doing when his brother is back). We'll play him in the midfield if he wants.
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@Chris-B said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
The thinking behind Goodhue at 12 for the Saders was that after we lost Crotty there wasn’t a natural successor.
It was one of those combo decisions where there were two potential options in Goodhue and Havili.
Havili was also the best fullback in the Saders squad.
Then add to the mix that Razor wanted Ennor to transition to the wing.
So you have a 10+ test All Black in Goodhue that has attributes to play 2nd 5 but will take some time.
I think it’s worth persisting with but it’s going to take time as we have seen for others that have transitioned from wing or centre to 2nd 5.
Jordie should have stayed in the Canterbury/Crusaders system, where he could have continued to play 2nd five and right about now he'd be a sort of SBW Mk II - a big, tall player, offloading all over the place, but not made of glass.
Instead, he's clogging up a wing, not going to be a first choice fullback until his brother loses his pace, and the Canes are not going to play him at 2nd five while he's their best fullback and they have Laumape.
Alternative is he can come to the Blues (as he's rumoured to be doing when his brother is back). We'll play him in the midfield if he wants.
@Kirwan said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Chris-B said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@ACT-Crusader said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
The thinking behind Goodhue at 12 for the Saders was that after we lost Crotty there wasn’t a natural successor.
It was one of those combo decisions where there were two potential options in Goodhue and Havili.
Havili was also the best fullback in the Saders squad.
Then add to the mix that Razor wanted Ennor to transition to the wing.
So you have a 10+ test All Black in Goodhue that has attributes to play 2nd 5 but will take some time.
I think it’s worth persisting with but it’s going to take time as we have seen for others that have transitioned from wing or centre to 2nd 5.
Jordie should have stayed in the Canterbury/Crusaders system, where he could have continued to play 2nd five and right about now he'd be a sort of SBW Mk II - a big, tall player, offloading all over the place, but not made of glass.
Instead, he's clogging up a wing, not going to be a first choice fullback until his brother loses his pace, and the Canes are not going to play him at 2nd five while he's their best fullback and they have Laumape.
Alternative is he can come to the Blues (as he's rumoured to be doing when his brother is back). We'll play him in the midfield if he wants.
With Ioane?
