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  • Victor MeldrewV Offline
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    @kev said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    @antipodean said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    End of the season and what have we learnt? Akira is clearly the best 6 in New Zealand. Massive effort tonight and my MoTM.

    Ardie's athleticism is a huge plus in the final quarter, but Sotutu needs to start.

    Will Jordan is a shoe-in for the right wing spot. He has the golden touch Beaudy had.

    Long term Rieko is a centre, just needs more time in SR to hone the positional awareness. Some good competition coming through too.

    At 12 the coaches need to identiify the type of player they're after because as good as Goodhue is, he doesn't distribute.

    Mo'unga is still a flat track bully.

    Pretty much agree with that except I'd like to see Akira and Will Jordan with a few more tests under their belts before we nail them down in the 6 & 14 slots.

    Akira's attitude change has been awesome. Huge credit to him and also the coaching staff

    Goodhue doesn’t distribute? He is far and away the best distributor in the backline.

    I think he's trying to take it to the line too much. Not unexpected with his lack of experience at 12 and his playing outside of Ritchie (particularly tonight). Maybe in time he'll be as good a 12 as he is a 13.

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    Most of The new players look great. Most of The older players look cluttered and tainted

    Overall The passing skills have deteriorated

    🤔

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    @Siam said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    Most of The new players look great. Most of The older players look cluttered and tainted

    Overall The passing skills have deteriorated

    🤔

    yeh basically what I said. It is concerning, plus the drop in the level of the dual 10s.

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    The fact that Jordie has regressed under the AB coaches is such a massive fucking black mark against them. One of many...

    After spending most of his career being shunted around, he finally plays a full season in one position and really comes of age. His height, strong defense, big kick and vision all came together perfectly at 15 and he found a great balance between doing the basics well and taking opportunities when they arose without trying to do too much.

    He was all class and the Canes were infinitely better when he was on the field.

    So what do the AB coaches do? Chuck him out on the fucking wing where he has piss all experience and watch him flounder again as he loses confidence and reverts to trying to do too much and making silly mistakes.

    It's so bloody frustrating watching it play out like a slow motion car crash as the coaches just refuse to accept they got it wrong.

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    @Old-Samurai-Jack said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    @Kirwan No way. Pat. T has had his chances and been found wanting as a starter. Really wanted him to succeed but it seems he lacks both the physicality and stamina for test rugby.

    I hate that I think of Ross Fillipo when I see Pat T 🥴

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    @nostrildamus said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    I really wish ALB can cement one position, I think he has played well and has more upside but seems to be used in a scatterbrain fashion.

    Why spoil an AB Coach's habit of a lifetime?

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    Took a while, but as expected.

    Margin and nilling them was very impressive though.

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    @No-Quarter said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    It's so bloody frustrating watching it play out like a slow motion car crash as the coaches just refuse to accept they got it wrong.

    Today, they finally (!) seemed to use his skills a bit better but the kicks to him were poor and his confidence looks to be down a fair bit.

    It's to some players huge credit they have stuck to the task, so I'll give Jordie a personal pass on not being all that good at 14 as it's not his decision he's playing out of position.

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    I don’t have time to read thread or make any comments at the moment, but Jordie has nudes of Fozzies wife or daughter right? Right!

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    I don't think Jordie has had a fair go. Far and away the best FB in SR. Obvious to all his range of skills at FB.
    Put him at FB and the dynamics of AB back play will be immediately apparent.

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    @Nepia said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    I don’t have time to read thread or make any comments at the moment, but Jordie has nudes of Fozzies wife or daughter right? Right!

    He offered him the last 2 malteasers in a pack 4 years ago.
    Fozzie never forgets...

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    Maybe Jordies talent cap is Super Rugby? Anyone thought of that..

    Btw Will Jordan was the best full back in super rugby this year and its not even close.
    Go take a look at any of the stats and compare the two. Jordan is clearly the pre-eminent full back in the country.

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    @BerniesCorner said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    I don't think Jordie has had a fair go. Far and away the best FB in SR. Obvious to all his range of skills at FB.
    Put him at FB and the dynamics of AB back play will be immediately apparent.

    I'd swap him for Beaudy to be honest.

    Hasn't really provided much at 15 this RC.

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    @kpkanz said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    Maybe Jordies talent cap is Super Rugby? Anyone thought of that..

    Btw Will Jordan was the best full back in super rugby this year and its not even close.
    Go take a look at any of the stats and compare the two. Jordan is clearly the pre-eminent full back in the country.

    👍👍👍

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    @kpkanz said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    Btw Will Jordan was the best full back in super rugby this year and its not even close.

    Not even close is correct. But it was Jordie not Jordan.

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  • Victor MeldrewV Offline
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    @Siam said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    @Nepia said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    I don’t have time to read thread or make any comments at the moment, but Jordie has nudes of Fozzies wife or daughter right? Right!

    He offered him the last 2 malteasers in a pack 4 years ago.
    Fozzie never forgets...

    Either that or he's got shares in a KFC franchise

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    @Victor-Meldrew Victor you need carrots

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  • WingerW Offline
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    @kpkanz said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    Maybe Jordies talent cap is Super Rugby? Anyone thought of that..

    Maybe Richie's talent cap is super rugby. At least hes been tried in his best position. JB hasn't except for one game

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    @Winger said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    @kpkanz said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    Maybe Jordies talent cap is Super Rugby? Anyone thought of that..

    Maybe Richie's talent cap is super rugby. At least hes been tried in his best position. JB hasn't except for one game

    Neither was Jordan. Should be tested at 15 given Jordie is set at 14 and gets all the crosskicks which he is so effective at...

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  • WingerW Offline
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    @BerniesCorner said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:

    I don't think Jordie has had a fair go. Far and away the best FB in SR. Obvious to all his range of skills at FB.
    Put him at FB and the dynamics of AB back play will be immediately apparent.

    It would also help if the coaches can also sort out the back-line. Better first esp and midfield. Jordan and Clarke on the wings

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