Wellington Phoenix
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@hydro11 said in What is the point of the Phoenix?:
I also think it's great that someone like @mariner4life can decide to support a team 11,000 miles away coached by a German and reliant on a couple of Brazilians and a Egyptian, all the while dismissing local football culture. How do you think Liverpool even formed? It was local passionate people who were so small minded that they had a dispute with Everton. That's how clubs are formed, that's what they are built on. I guess if they hadn't done that in 1892, by the time you came along you would have just supported another random club because what's the point in small clubs?
holy shit, i missed this. Really? None of this makes any fucking sense at all super-fan. "local football culture" is 6,000 fans in a 34,000 seat stadium watching a team win once a year? Most of whom probably support a premier league side as well (how dismissive).
Their place is not secure. They are a failure on the pitch (making finals is a lot easier when 60% of the teams in the comp do). The Asian Federation isn't thrilled by the thought of an Oceania side making their Champions League (haha). Even overly optimistic and passionate Aussie soccer writers are starting to see that the A-League is stagnating. And I read an article today that thinks part of it is the lack of pathways for Aussie players. Having 10% of the teams trying to be a pathway for NZ players isn't going to help that.
Little point trying to compare to the Warriors, their own fans acknowledge they are a dumpster fire of epic proportions.
If you would like to change the tack of the argument. Why are they so shit? What needs to change?
I have to say - I am loving reading back on this thread now. The Wellington Phoenix have now successfully developed Sarpreet Singh who has been signed for Bayern Munich. Of course, he mainly plays for the reserves but it still shows that the team can be a pathway. Cacace is probably a better player and will be off overseas himself before too long.
Meanwhile, the a-league has expanded and added an 11th team. Only problem is they average only 5k in their first season. Do we really think the Phoenix will be kicked out for poor crowds when the new teams are doing far worse? The Phoenix are actually 6/11 in the a-league this season for attendance. I think it goes to show that the Phoenix aren't taking up a spot in the league which could be filled by a successful Australian team.
The Phoenix will continue to do well if they realise what their competitive advantage is. It is young New Zealand players. Most Aussies won't have Wellington as their #1 pick and the big Aussie clubs are always going to have more money.
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I have to say - I am loving reading back on this thread now. The Wellington Phoenix have now successfully developed Sarpreet Singh who has been signed for Bayern Munich. Of course, he mainly plays for the reserves but it still shows that the team can be a pathway. Cacace is probably a better player and will be off overseas himself before too long.
Meanwhile, the a-league has expanded and added an 11th team. Only problem is they average only 5k in their first season. Do we really think the Phoenix will be kicked out for poor crowds when the new teams are doing far worse? The Phoenix are actually 6/11 in the a-league this season for attendance. I think it goes to show that the Phoenix aren't taking up a spot in the league which could be filled by a successful Australian team.
The Phoenix will continue to do well if they realise what their competitive advantage is. It is young New Zealand players. Most Aussies won't have Wellington as their #1 pick and the big Aussie clubs are always going to have more money.
@hydro11 said in Wellington Phoenix:
I have to say - I am loving reading back on this thread now. The Wellington Phoenix have now successfully developed Sarpreet Singh who has been signed for Bayern Munich. Of course, he mainly plays for the reserves but it still shows that the team can be a pathway.
You get the feeling from the coach's comments that Singh is the next cab off the rank - he seems to be a big fan.
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I was happy the Phoenix stood their ground about it being non-negotiable to be able to train during the 14-day isolation period.
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Imagine playing in the Premier League to having to sign with the comedy Phoenix.
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Imagine playing in the Premier League to having to sign with the comedy Phoenix.
@Hooroo said in Wellington Phoenix:
Imagine playing in the Premier League to having to sign with the comedy Phoenix.
He better score goals for fun
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Imagine playing in the Premier League to having to sign with the comedy Phoenix.
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https://twitter.com/WgtnPhoenixFC/status/1344510206986752000
Football Australia and the newly formed Australian Professional Leagues (APL) today announced that terms have been agreed to ‘unbundle’ the A-League, Westfield W-League and Y-League (‘Professional Leagues’) from Football Australia. As part of the unbundling, the APL will also obtain the exclusive right to use the intellectual property rights associated with the E-League brand. - Paul Lederer, Chair of the APL said: “This is an historic moment for the future of football in Australia – for the fan, for the player, for the whole game. “It’s now time to earn and deliver the future our game deserves. “The handbrake on the game is off; owners can finally invest in what they own and create value for the entire footballing ecosystem. “Players can plan their careers in Australian football, fans can reconnect with the game that they love, and clubs can create meaningful moments for the whole Australian Football Family.” - Chris Nikou, Chair of Football Australia said: “There is unprecedented unity amongst football’s key stakeholders with the Football Australia, Clubs, and the Members of Football Australia, being the group making up the NLWG, that paved the way to the unbundling of the A-League, W-League and Y-League from Football Australia. “Football Australia will now focus its energies and resources on the regulation of the professional game, national teams, grassroots and the overall strategic direction of the game as outlined in the XI Principles for the future of Australian Football, the new 15-year vision for the sport and strategic agenda.” “All parties are committed to ongoing cooperation and collaboration and we look forward to working closely with the APL this season as we transition to the new model, and more broadly, the future of professional football in Australia.”Not sure what the exact implications are, particularly for the Nix.
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https://twitter.com/WgtnPhoenixFC/status/1344510206986752000
Football Australia and the newly formed Australian Professional Leagues (APL) today announced that terms have been agreed to ‘unbundle’ the A-League, Westfield W-League and Y-League (‘Professional Leagues’) from Football Australia. As part of the unbundling, the APL will also obtain the exclusive right to use the intellectual property rights associated with the E-League brand. - Paul Lederer, Chair of the APL said: “This is an historic moment for the future of football in Australia – for the fan, for the player, for the whole game. “It’s now time to earn and deliver the future our game deserves. “The handbrake on the game is off; owners can finally invest in what they own and create value for the entire footballing ecosystem. “Players can plan their careers in Australian football, fans can reconnect with the game that they love, and clubs can create meaningful moments for the whole Australian Football Family.” - Chris Nikou, Chair of Football Australia said: “There is unprecedented unity amongst football’s key stakeholders with the Football Australia, Clubs, and the Members of Football Australia, being the group making up the NLWG, that paved the way to the unbundling of the A-League, W-League and Y-League from Football Australia. “Football Australia will now focus its energies and resources on the regulation of the professional game, national teams, grassroots and the overall strategic direction of the game as outlined in the XI Principles for the future of Australian Football, the new 15-year vision for the sport and strategic agenda.” “All parties are committed to ongoing cooperation and collaboration and we look forward to working closely with the APL this season as we transition to the new model, and more broadly, the future of professional football in Australia.”Not sure what the exact implications are, particularly for the Nix.
Mostly good for the nix. Rob Morrison has been neck deep in the negotiations and is well respected within the circle of a-league teams. Most of the issues with the nix seem to have come from media commentators and ffa officials who have an issue with the nix blocking Australian talent ignoring the fact that the number of Australian teams are limited by financial restrictions, i.e. the nix isn't in there way. (See the arrival of two new teams over the last two years now that they have been able to get the numbers to work).
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Hopefully this means the women’s team get the go ahead next year, would also like to see the Weenix go into the national youth setup over there
@mikey07 said in Wellington Phoenix:
Hopefully this means the women’s team get the go ahead next year, would also like to see the Weenix go into the national youth setup over there
Their budget would probably need to have a massive injection of funds from somewhere if this was to happen.
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@mikey07 said in Wellington Phoenix:
Hopefully this means the women’s team get the go ahead next year, would also like to see the Weenix go into the national youth setup over there
Their budget would probably need to have a massive injection of funds from somewhere if this was to happen.
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Wasn't really watching, just had it on (sound off while Ferning) waiting for sailing replay, didn t realise it was
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Shame. The yellow team looked the more likely to score (although at times they seemed too keen to want to take a punt at the glory long rang shot).
But I know less than nothing about soccer. Was just kinda pleased when I thought they'd equalised.
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Wasn't really watching, just had it on (sound off while Ferning) waiting for sailing replay, didn t realise it was
- The Phoenix
- Live
Shame. The yellow team looked the more likely to score (although at times they seemed too keen to want to take a punt at the glory long rang shot).
But I know less than nothing about soccer. Was just kinda pleased when I thought they'd equalised.
