Cricket - Best ever etc
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@NTA said in Modern batting averages:
@voodoo said in Modern batting averages:
@NTA said in Modern batting averages:
If Hayden was a kiwi, he'd be an all-time, irrefutable legend of the game, selected in any world XI directly behind Bradman and Hadlee.
He'd just be a kiwi fuckwit
So... like Hadlee?
Such an Aussie thing to say.
I think Hadlee divided his teammates with his attitude to be fair, controversy over him keeping the car he won etc. Part of me thinks what a dick, the other part thinks fair enough as he was far and away the best player on the team.
Also Aussie fans calling him a piston wristed gibbon was a bit of a compliment really, they didn't bother with his teammates as they weren't a threat like Paddles was. .
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@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
Such an Aussie thing to say.
I think Hadlee divided his teammates a with his attitude to be fair, controversy over him keeping the car he won etc. Part of me thinks what a dick, the other part thinks fair enough as he was far and away the best player on the team.Kind of what I was getting at
I actually attended one of the ODIs during the "Hadlee is a piston wristed gibbon" tour. Most uncouth and my Mum was livid - tho that may have been her having a thing for the bloke.
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@NTA said in Modern batting averages:
@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
Such an Aussie thing to say.
I think Hadlee divided his teammates a with his attitude to be fair, controversy over him keeping the car he won etc. Part of me thinks what a dick, the other part thinks fair enough as he was far and away the best player on the team.Kind of what I was getting at
I actually attended one of the ODIs during the "Hadlee is a piston wristed gibbon" tour. Most uncouth and my Mum was livid - tho that may have been her having a thing for the bloke.
Ha, yes we've had this discussion before.
In recent interviews I've seen he seems to have mellowed and the arrogance seems to have subsided too.
He'll always be an absolute NZ sporting icon ( even if Oz have had about 20 players of his calibre over the years )
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@Snowy said in Modern batting averages:
@NTA said in Modern batting averages:
Most uncouth and my Mum was livid - tho that may have been her having a thing for the bloke.
A classy Aussie cricket fan - well done your Mum.
She was shouting support to him from the top tier of the old MCG. Doubt whether he heard, but everyone sitting around probably thought we were Kiwis
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@Snowy said in Modern batting averages:
@NTA said in Modern batting averages:
Most uncouth and my Mum was livid - tho that may have been her having a thing for the bloke.
A classy Aussie cricket fan - well done your Mum.
Well, aside from her most heinous and obvious crime inflicted on the fern......
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@voodoo said in Modern batting averages:
I have Haydon as my 2nd most disliked aussie cricketer behind Andrew Symonds
Clarke surely has to be above them.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Modern batting averages:
@voodoo said in Modern batting averages:
I have Haydon as my 2nd most disliked aussie cricketer behind Andrew Symonds
Clarke surely has to be above them.
Yeah he's up there.
Massive drop off after hard but fair leaders like Border, Tubby, Waugh and Ponting in my opinion.
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@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
@NTA said in Modern batting averages:
@voodoo said in Modern batting averages:
@NTA said in Modern batting averages:
If Hayden was a kiwi, he'd be an all-time, irrefutable legend of the game, selected in any world XI directly behind Bradman and Hadlee.
He'd just be a kiwi fuckwit
So... like Hadlee?
Such an Aussie thing to say.
I think Hadlee divided his teammates with his attitude to be fair, controversy over him keeping the car he won etc. Part of me thinks what a dick, the other part thinks fair enough as he was far and away the best player on the team.
Also Aussie fans calling him a piston wristed gibbon was a bit of a compliment really, they didn't bother with his teammates as they weren't a threat like Paddles was. .
They were threatened by him. Dipak Patel - not so much.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Modern batting averages:
@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
@NTA said in Modern batting averages:
@voodoo said in Modern batting averages:
@NTA said in Modern batting averages:
If Hayden was a kiwi, he'd be an all-time, irrefutable legend of the game, selected in any world XI directly behind Bradman and Hadlee.
He'd just be a kiwi fuckwit
So... like Hadlee?
Such an Aussie thing to say.
I think Hadlee divided his teammates with his attitude to be fair, controversy over him keeping the car he won etc. Part of me thinks what a dick, the other part thinks fair enough as he was far and away the best player on the team.
Also Aussie fans calling him a piston wristed gibbon was a bit of a compliment really, they didn't bother with his teammates as they weren't a threat like Paddles was. .
They were threatened by him. Dipak Patel - not so much.
Dipak was a bloody good trier.....I was genuinely gutted for him when he went for 99.
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@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Modern batting averages:
@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
@NTA said in Modern batting averages:
@voodoo said in Modern batting averages:
@NTA said in Modern batting averages:
If Hayden was a kiwi, he'd be an all-time, irrefutable legend of the game, selected in any world XI directly behind Bradman and Hadlee.
He'd just be a kiwi fuckwit
So... like Hadlee?
Such an Aussie thing to say.
I think Hadlee divided his teammates with his attitude to be fair, controversy over him keeping the car he won etc. Part of me thinks what a dick, the other part thinks fair enough as he was far and away the best player on the team.
Also Aussie fans calling him a piston wristed gibbon was a bit of a compliment really, they didn't bother with his teammates as they weren't a threat like Paddles was. .
They were threatened by him. Dipak Patel - not so much.
Dipak was a bloody good trier.....I was genuinely gutted for him when he went for 99.
True that. His opening the bowling in 92 was pretty damn cool.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Modern batting averages:
@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Modern batting averages:
@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
@NTA said in Modern batting averages:
@voodoo said in Modern batting averages:
@NTA said in Modern batting averages:
If Hayden was a kiwi, he'd be an all-time, irrefutable legend of the game, selected in any world XI directly behind Bradman and Hadlee.
He'd just be a kiwi fuckwit
So... like Hadlee?
Such an Aussie thing to say.
I think Hadlee divided his teammates with his attitude to be fair, controversy over him keeping the car he won etc. Part of me thinks what a dick, the other part thinks fair enough as he was far and away the best player on the team.
Also Aussie fans calling him a piston wristed gibbon was a bit of a compliment really, they didn't bother with his teammates as they weren't a threat like Paddles was. .
They were threatened by him. Dipak Patel - not so much.
Dipak was a bloody good trier.....I was genuinely gutted for him when he went for 99.
True that. His opening the bowling in 92 was pretty damn cool.
Haha, crazy times. Even Rod Latham bowled well....
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@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
@NTA said in Modern batting averages:
@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
Such an Aussie thing to say.
I think Hadlee divided his teammates a with his attitude to be fair, controversy over him keeping the car he won etc. Part of me thinks what a dick, the other part thinks fair enough as he was far and away the best player on the team.Kind of what I was getting at
I actually attended one of the ODIs during the "Hadlee is a piston wristed gibbon" tour. Most uncouth and my Mum was livid - tho that may have been her having a thing for the bloke.
Ha, yes we've had this discussion before.
In recent interviews I've seen he seems to have mellowed and the arrogance seems to have subsided too.
He'll always be an absolute NZ sporting icon ( even if Oz have had about 20 players of his calibre over the years )
At least part of the issue was a divided team culture of professional players (County cricket mostly) and amateurs (in that they generally weren't paid other than match fees), so some of the team were a lot less concerned with professionalism than Hadlee was. That doesn't excuse everything he said or did, but it's not entirely on him either.
Hard to say if the Aussies have had 20 players of his calibre - the 80s were possibly the greatest decade for fast bowlers, and he was widely seen as the best for most of it until he retired. When he retired, a common accolade was the greatest fast bowler ever with Lillee. Even now, when memories have faded a bit, if a knowledgeable panel were selecting 2-3 all time teams (as in a first XI, second XI, third XI), he would make one of them.
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@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Modern batting averages:
@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
@NTA said in Modern batting averages:
@voodoo said in Modern batting averages:
@NTA said in Modern batting averages:
If Hayden was a kiwi, he'd be an all-time, irrefutable legend of the game, selected in any world XI directly behind Bradman and Hadlee.
He'd just be a kiwi fuckwit
So... like Hadlee?
Such an Aussie thing to say.
I think Hadlee divided his teammates with his attitude to be fair, controversy over him keeping the car he won etc. Part of me thinks what a dick, the other part thinks fair enough as he was far and away the best player on the team.
Also Aussie fans calling him a piston wristed gibbon was a bit of a compliment really, they didn't bother with his teammates as they weren't a threat like Paddles was. .
They were threatened by him. Dipak Patel - not so much.
Dipak was a bloody good trier.....I was genuinely gutted for him when he went for 99.
Same, and he was run out at that just to add to the misery.
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@Godder said in Modern batting averages:
@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
@NTA said in Modern batting averages:
@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
Such an Aussie thing to say.
I think Hadlee divided his teammates a with his attitude to be fair, controversy over him keeping the car he won etc. Part of me thinks what a dick, the other part thinks fair enough as he was far and away the best player on the team.Kind of what I was getting at
I actually attended one of the ODIs during the "Hadlee is a piston wristed gibbon" tour. Most uncouth and my Mum was livid - tho that may have been her having a thing for the bloke.
Ha, yes we've had this discussion before.
In recent interviews I've seen he seems to have mellowed and the arrogance seems to have subsided too.
He'll always be an absolute NZ sporting icon ( even if Oz have had about 20 players of his calibre over the years )
At least part of the issue was a divided team culture of professional players (County cricket mostly) and amateurs (in that they generally weren't paid other than match fees), so some of the team were a lot less concerned with professionalism than Hadlee was. That doesn't excuse everything he said or did, but it's not entirely on him either.
Hard to say if the Aussies have had 20 players of his calibre - the 80s were possibly the greatest decade for fast bowlers, and he was widely seen as the best for most of it until he retired. When he retired, a common accolade was the greatest fast bowler ever with Lillee. Even now, when memories have faded a bit, if a knowledgeable panel were selecting 2-3 all time teams (as in a first XI, second XI, third XI), he would make one of them.
Hmmmmm, off the top of my head and probably forgetting a few of yesteryear......
all of these guys I consider legends of any era and as important ( or in a couple of cases possibly more so ) as Paddles.
Don Bradman, Keith Miller, Alan Davidson, Ray Lindwall, Greg Chappell, Dennis Lillee, Alan Border, Steve Waugh, Ricky Ponting, Matthew Hayden, Shane Warne, Glenn McGrath, Adam Gilchrist, Shane Watson ( haha, yeah right ), Steve Smith.....
So that was surprisingly tougher than I thought. I'm sure there's a couple of real old timers that I'm forgetting but getting twenty might be a stretch.
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i for one am just so heartened to see @NTA dive balls deep in to breathlessly defend a Queenslander
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@mariner4life said in Modern batting averages:
i for one am just so heartened to see @NTA dive balls deep in to breathlessly defend a Queenslander
"That's Australian Gold my friends and don't you f@$kin forget it!"
