Cricket - Best ever etc
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Modern batting averages:
@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Modern batting averages:
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@voodoo said in Modern batting averages:
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If Hayden was a kiwi, he'd be an all-time, irrefutable legend of the game, selected in any world XI directly behind Bradman and Hadlee.
He'd just be a kiwi fuckwit
So... like Hadlee?
Such an Aussie thing to say.
I think Hadlee divided his teammates with his attitude to be fair, controversy over him keeping the car he won etc. Part of me thinks what a dick, the other part thinks fair enough as he was far and away the best player on the team.
Also Aussie fans calling him a piston wristed gibbon was a bit of a compliment really, they didn't bother with his teammates as they weren't a threat like Paddles was. .
They were threatened by him. Dipak Patel - not so much.
Dipak was a bloody good trier.....I was genuinely gutted for him when he went for 99.
True that. His opening the bowling in 92 was pretty damn cool.
Haha, crazy times. Even Rod Latham bowled well....
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@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
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@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
Such an Aussie thing to say.
I think Hadlee divided his teammates a with his attitude to be fair, controversy over him keeping the car he won etc. Part of me thinks what a dick, the other part thinks fair enough as he was far and away the best player on the team.Kind of what I was getting at
I actually attended one of the ODIs during the "Hadlee is a piston wristed gibbon" tour. Most uncouth and my Mum was livid - tho that may have been her having a thing for the bloke.
Ha, yes we've had this discussion before.
In recent interviews I've seen he seems to have mellowed and the arrogance seems to have subsided too.
He'll always be an absolute NZ sporting icon ( even if Oz have had about 20 players of his calibre over the years )
At least part of the issue was a divided team culture of professional players (County cricket mostly) and amateurs (in that they generally weren't paid other than match fees), so some of the team were a lot less concerned with professionalism than Hadlee was. That doesn't excuse everything he said or did, but it's not entirely on him either.
Hard to say if the Aussies have had 20 players of his calibre - the 80s were possibly the greatest decade for fast bowlers, and he was widely seen as the best for most of it until he retired. When he retired, a common accolade was the greatest fast bowler ever with Lillee. Even now, when memories have faded a bit, if a knowledgeable panel were selecting 2-3 all time teams (as in a first XI, second XI, third XI), he would make one of them.
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@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Modern batting averages:
@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
@NTA said in Modern batting averages:
@voodoo said in Modern batting averages:
@NTA said in Modern batting averages:
If Hayden was a kiwi, he'd be an all-time, irrefutable legend of the game, selected in any world XI directly behind Bradman and Hadlee.
He'd just be a kiwi fuckwit
So... like Hadlee?
Such an Aussie thing to say.
I think Hadlee divided his teammates with his attitude to be fair, controversy over him keeping the car he won etc. Part of me thinks what a dick, the other part thinks fair enough as he was far and away the best player on the team.
Also Aussie fans calling him a piston wristed gibbon was a bit of a compliment really, they didn't bother with his teammates as they weren't a threat like Paddles was. .
They were threatened by him. Dipak Patel - not so much.
Dipak was a bloody good trier.....I was genuinely gutted for him when he went for 99.
Same, and he was run out at that just to add to the misery.
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@Godder said in Modern batting averages:
@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
@NTA said in Modern batting averages:
@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
Such an Aussie thing to say.
I think Hadlee divided his teammates a with his attitude to be fair, controversy over him keeping the car he won etc. Part of me thinks what a dick, the other part thinks fair enough as he was far and away the best player on the team.Kind of what I was getting at
I actually attended one of the ODIs during the "Hadlee is a piston wristed gibbon" tour. Most uncouth and my Mum was livid - tho that may have been her having a thing for the bloke.
Ha, yes we've had this discussion before.
In recent interviews I've seen he seems to have mellowed and the arrogance seems to have subsided too.
He'll always be an absolute NZ sporting icon ( even if Oz have had about 20 players of his calibre over the years )
At least part of the issue was a divided team culture of professional players (County cricket mostly) and amateurs (in that they generally weren't paid other than match fees), so some of the team were a lot less concerned with professionalism than Hadlee was. That doesn't excuse everything he said or did, but it's not entirely on him either.
Hard to say if the Aussies have had 20 players of his calibre - the 80s were possibly the greatest decade for fast bowlers, and he was widely seen as the best for most of it until he retired. When he retired, a common accolade was the greatest fast bowler ever with Lillee. Even now, when memories have faded a bit, if a knowledgeable panel were selecting 2-3 all time teams (as in a first XI, second XI, third XI), he would make one of them.
Hmmmmm, off the top of my head and probably forgetting a few of yesteryear......
all of these guys I consider legends of any era and as important ( or in a couple of cases possibly more so ) as Paddles.
Don Bradman, Keith Miller, Alan Davidson, Ray Lindwall, Greg Chappell, Dennis Lillee, Alan Border, Steve Waugh, Ricky Ponting, Matthew Hayden, Shane Warne, Glenn McGrath, Adam Gilchrist, Shane Watson ( haha, yeah right ), Steve Smith.....
So that was surprisingly tougher than I thought. I'm sure there's a couple of real old timers that I'm forgetting but getting twenty might be a stretch.
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i for one am just so heartened to see @NTA dive balls deep in to breathlessly defend a Queenslander
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@mariner4life said in Modern batting averages:
i for one am just so heartened to see @NTA dive balls deep in to breathlessly defend a Queenslander
"That's Australian Gold my friends and don't you f@$kin forget it!"
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@NTA said in Modern batting averages:
@mariner4life said in Modern batting averages:
i for one am just so heartened to see @NTA dive balls deep in to breathlessly defend a Queenslander
"That's Australian Gold my friends and don't you f@$kin forget it!"
Bill Lawry. Great opener, even better commentator.
I'm sure he was just a flat track bully too though.
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@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
I'm sure there's a couple of real old timers that I'm forgetting but getting twenty might be a stretch.Top of the head: Victor Trumper, Ray Lindwall and the true blue Clarrie Grimmet. Slightly more recently: Marsh/Healy, then the redoutable people's champion Dougie Walters is my captain's pick ... But let's not forget New Zealand's favourite, GS Chappell.
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@Kiap said in Modern batting averages:
@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
I'm sure there's a couple of real old timers that I'm forgetting but getting twenty might be a stretch.Top of the head: Victor Trumper, Ray Lindwall and the true blue Clarrie Grimmet. Slightly more recently: Marsh/Healy, then the redoutable people's champion Dougie Walters is my captain's pick ... But let's not forget New Zealand's favourite, GS Chappell.
Due to the nature of the role I struggle to include a wicketkeeper in a list of great players unless he is Gilly/Sanga.
Alec Stewart was obviously decent at the role but then Gilly redefined it completely. Nowadays all keepers are good batsmen.
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Anyone mentioned David Gower as a great batsman to watch? All class.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Modern batting averages:
Anyone mentioned David Gower as a great batsman to watch? All class.
Very good record and made it look easy. One of those guys who ‘caressed’ the ball where he wanted it to go.
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@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Modern batting averages:
Anyone mentioned David Gower as a great batsman to watch? All class.
Very good record and made it look easy. One of those guys who ‘caressed’ the ball where he wanted it to go.
Hmm, that would mean he often wanted to caress it straight into Jeff Dujon’s Gloves.
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@Catogrande said in Modern batting averages:
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Modern batting averages:
Anyone mentioned David Gower as a great batsman to watch? All class.
Very good record and made it look easy. One of those guys who ‘caressed’ the ball where he wanted it to go.
Hmm, that would mean he often wanted to caress it straight into Jeff Dujon’s Gloves.
Still the 4th highest run scorer in English cricket history.
Like any batsman he had his peaks and troughs, like Mark Waugh he often got called ‘careless’ cos at his best he did make it look so easy
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@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
@Catogrande said in Modern batting averages:
@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Modern batting averages:
Anyone mentioned David Gower as a great batsman to watch? All class.
Very good record and made it look easy. One of those guys who ‘caressed’ the ball where he wanted it to go.
Hmm, that would mean he often wanted to caress it straight into Jeff Dujon’s Gloves.
Still the 4th highest run scorer in English cricket history.
Like any batsman he had his peaks and troughs, like Mark Waugh he often got called ‘careless’ cos at his best he did make it look so easy
The M Waugh comparison is apt. He often didn’t seem to give a shit. Particularly if there was sunbathing to be had.
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@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
@NTA said in Modern batting averages:
If Hayden was a kiwi, he'd be an all-time, irrefutable legend of the game, selected in any world XI directly behind Bradman and Hadlee.
He walks into an all time Aussie team too as it is. Sure he plundered 380 against Zimbabwe. So what ? He also scored against any and everyone else. I also think people underestimate how tough it is to average that much when your entire career is spent opening too.
He also had a bit of that Richards aura about him.
Cliff Richards?
Don’t ever mention the Great One in the same sentence as Hayden
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@ACT-Crusader lol. You brought up The Young Ones with that post
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@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
@Catogrande said in Modern batting averages:
@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Modern batting averages:
Anyone mentioned David Gower as a great batsman to watch? All class.
Very good record and made it look easy. One of those guys who ‘caressed’ the ball where he wanted it to go.
Hmm, that would mean he often wanted to caress it straight into Jeff Dujon’s Gloves.
Still the 4th highest run scorer in English cricket history.
Like any batsman he had his peaks and troughs, like Mark Waugh he often got called ‘careless’ cos at his best he did make it look so easy
Don’t get me wrong, I loved watching him bat (and field before his shoulder problems). If there were reliable sex change procedures back in 1985 I would likely have had his children. But there was always a sense of what could have been if he’d just eliminated that waft outside off to tickle the ball straight behind.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Modern batting averages:
@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
@NTA said in Modern batting averages:
If Hayden was a kiwi, he'd be an all-time, irrefutable legend of the game, selected in any world XI directly behind Bradman and Hadlee.
He walks into an all time Aussie team too as it is. Sure he plundered 380 against Zimbabwe. So what ? He also scored against any and everyone else. I also think people underestimate how tough it is to average that much when your entire career is spent opening too.
He also had a bit of that Richards aura about him.
Cliff Richards?
Don’t ever mention the Great One in the same sentence as Hayden
Who gets in ahead of him ?
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