Great & Crap Driving Roads
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@antipodean said in Great & Crap Driving Roads:
@NTA Coast to Tarago via Nerrigan Pub is a good ride.
Will put that on the list.
I did Jindabyne to Merimbula via Dalgety and Cathcart a couple of years ago. Very nice drive.
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What I learned
During covid, and using their super money, approximately everyone in Australia bought either a boat, a camper trailer, or a caravan. And nor everyone has worked out how best to tow it yet.
I saw some poor fluffybunny who had flipped a relatively new looking land rover, with a nice looking boat still attached to the back.
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@mariner4life said in Great & Crap Driving Roads:
During covid, and using their super money, approximately everyone in Australia bought either a boat, a camper trailer, or a caravan. And nor everyone has worked out how best to tow it yet.
I'll bet they can't fucking park them either. After my oldies went grey nomad, dad would have a list of stories about how many oversized luxury vans bought by septuagenarian couples with no idea how to reverse them into spaces designed to fit an ancient single axle.
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@NTA said in Great & Crap Driving Roads:
@mariner4life said in Great & Crap Driving Roads:
During covid, and using their super money, approximately everyone in Australia bought either a boat, a camper trailer, or a caravan. And nor everyone has worked out how best to tow it yet.
I'll bet they can't fucking park them either. After my oldies went grey nomad, dad would have a list of stories about how many oversized luxury vans bought by septuagenarian couples with no idea how to reverse them into spaces designed to fit an ancient single axle.
Somebody got a thesaurus from Santa!
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Greatest car drives - San Francisco to San Diego in the '90's. Great music, leisurely driving and stunning scenery
Cheltenham to Banbury via Winchcombe, Stow-on-the-Wold & Chipping Norton one snowy 23 December in 2001 or 2002. Great driving roads, beautiful villages and towns that you only get in England, and a magical landscape.
Bikes. Rimutakas and the Wellington-Makara road. Racer Road No.1 & No. 2. Liskeard to Bolventor accross Bodmin Moor is pretty special too.
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25 years ago this was a cracking route. Bells Line of Road, Putty Road out to Singleton and then loop back to Lithgow via Bylong.
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@antipodean pretty sure it was the Putty I rode south from Singleton with the Mrs on the back a couple of years ago. My favourite ride of the three week trip. Not a lot of traffic and was able to get into the groove.
Bells later in the same day was a bit disappointing. Too much traffic and silly speed limits from memory. I am not a hoon by any stretch, but some speed limits in Aus are so low they risk causing problems through boredom.
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Haven't done them for years, but my favourite rides as a young chap from Christchurch were the run to Akaroa and the best of all, the Lewis Pass/Arthur's Pass loop. World class and I was too young to fully appreciate it at the time.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Great & Crap Driving Roads:
@antipodean pretty sure it was the Putty I rode south from Singleton with the Mrs on the back a couple of years ago. My favourite ride of the three week trip. Not a lot of traffic and was able to get into the groove.
Bells later in the same day was a bit disappointing. Too much traffic and silly speed limits from memory. I am not a hoon by any stretch, but some speed limits in Aus are so low they risk causing problems through boredom.
Yeah, I went down Bells just last year to find more houses, more traffic and the speed limit halved in spots.
The Bruce Highway has brand new dual lane divided stretches with safety barriers etc. and only a 100km/h limit. You could drive half that fast again looking at the scenery. NT brought back unrestricted sections as the data showed an increase in accidents with the 130km/h section imposed.
I look at what used to be the Princes HIghway and reflect that cars with drum brakes on crossply tyres were limited to 100km/h. No one has to concentrate on the act of driving anymore which I'm certain leads to accidents.
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I wish I could enjoy driving. I remember my brother and I mocking our Dad as we drove up from Gisborne to Tauranga or Auckland. He hated stopping. He used to say - "Nah, I wanna keep punching on through." If we were lucky, we stopped in Whakatane. I found out when I started driving, that I am exactly the same. Just wanna get to the place I am going to. Find it very hard to enjoy, Hate the Waioweka Gorge and hate the winding road from Wairoa to Napier.
Flying is much better.
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@antipodean said in Great & Crap Driving Roads:
Yeah, I went down Bells just last year to find more houses, more traffic and the speed limit halved in spots.
Very hard to find a day in the calendar to enjoy it fully. The 80km/h speed limit for most of it is entirely there to account for city people not knowing how to drive anything but a dual carriageway.
@antipodean said in Great & Crap Driving Roads:
NT brought back unrestricted sections as the data showed an increase in accidents with the 130km/h section imposed.
Was reading a study they did about traffic lights in a US town being removed on their main street, and the accident rate plummeting.
Once people realise they're responsible for their own actions, it seems to flick a switch in their brain.
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@NTA There’s a very good book called Traffic by Tom Vanderbilt that dives into psychological and physiological factors that come into play when we drive. It looks at road design, signage, perceptions of speed and competence and even some counterintuitive stuff like merging late vs merging early. A great read.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Great & Crap Driving Roads:
I am not a hoon by any stretch, but some speed limits in Aus are so low they risk causing problems through boredom.
Given your job, some of your comments are amusing.
They have just changed all of the speed limits around us in the last few months and I have just paid a speeding fine for the wife. They are actually more sensible as @taniwharugby says you can't really use cruise control as the roads aren't good enough.
Have to admit that I play a game when on my own and set the CC on 100kph (legal) and see when I turn chicken. The RS4 is way better than I am, it doesn't bail out, just goes around the corners with the occasional use of traction control whilst I am shitting myself.
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@Snowy On the RS4 do you have the ‘hand of God’? The lane control and then the interference when on a long fast corner where the ‘helpful’ driver assist decided to tell you to have more input. I have it on my new A6 55 and it is very disconcerting.
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@Snowy doesn't mean I have to agree with the policy makers. Speed limits here are getting as low as 60km/h in many areas where the road twists and turns up a hill. That's boring.
I am not a fan of low speed tolerance in enforcement either. That just makes people pay too much attention to their speedos (not the budgie smuggling variety) and not the road. Victoria apparently has a tolerance of a couple of Ks. I know where I spend a lot of time looking when I am driving/riding down there. And it's not necessarily the road.
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@Snowy What you say is so true. I don't really like CC seem to lose my feel for the road. Fine in theory for long open roads except muppets get in the way, but cornering at speed with CC. Yikes.
I'm definitely a cautious driver. My brother used to have a FIA Super Licence. He takes a delight in threatening to take me on a road trip with him behind the wheel. I trust his driving but I'm not the best passenger at any time and I know my heart would give out.
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@Catogrande said in Great & Crap Driving Roads:
@Snowy On the RS4 do you have the ‘hand of God’? The lane control and then the interference when on a long fast corner where the ‘helpful’ driver assist decided to tell you to have more input. I have it on my new A6 55 and it is very disconcerting.
Nah. RS4 is pre full driver assist. I prefer it like that, set a speed, live with it (or not), you are still in control.
My Dad's Audi has lane departure, and the work Subaru, but just a nudge of the wheel if you cut a corner / stray from the white lines, which may be sensible anyway. The problem with it is everybody ignores it after a while and yes it is disconcerting to start with.
Our roads often have the white lines some distance from where you really want to be on the inside of corners in country areas. A lot of the time we don't even have lines around where I am. A lot like the the Aussie cricket team, you define the line yourself.
We were trained about tech complacency as pilots - cars are no different and people start to rely / ignore it. Mostly better than humans though, or at least a prompt to get your shit together.
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@NTA said in Great & Crap Driving Roads:
@Snowy said in Great & Crap Driving Roads:
A lot like the the Aussie cricket team or the All Blacks, you define the line yourself.
Fixed.
You guys said it, not us.
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Have you done Thruxton before? A great, really fast circuit. I've been a few times now, usually driving a Cayman (not mine). They really encourage you to go as fast as they think you can handle. I seem to remember my instructor/co driver saying something along the lines of "Keep going, it'll stick, it'll stick. They don't spin easy"!
