Awesome stuff you see on the internet
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<p>The finnish social services are a mess and very expensive for the taxpayer as there are two instances, the aforementioned Kela and a Social welfare office and about a hundred different support payments. Anyone with half a brain understands that there is too much bureacracy and too many bureacrates running this shit.<br><br>
That is exactly why the majority are leaning towards basic income and also becouse at present, if you are on social support/welfare and get a short term job, say 1-2 month with "possible" extension, you loose the welfare for 1-3 months afterwards, so long term unemployed people cant afford to take short term jobs and I can assure you, it is a MASSIVE shame in Finland to be unemployed, so the majority of unemployed people would take those part time chances of it wouldnt wreck their personal economies for months.<br><br>
And to stay ontopic, I give you the former sports and Culture minister of Finland Tanja Karpela(Saarela)<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="https://media.riemurasia.net/albumit/m10001/483241510.jpg">https://media.riemurasia.net/albumit/m10001/483241510.jpg</a></p>
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<p>Someone at work here did the back-of-napkin calculations: social welfare versus a basic living wage in Australia worked out to be within $2B of each other.</p> -
<p>I thought I saw something the other day saying it would be another 1/3 on top of the existing budget in NZ?</p>
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<p>am i too late to this party?</p>
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<p>I thought I saw something the other day saying it would be another 1/3 on top of the existing budget in NZ?</p>
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<p>And there is ZERO chance that they would get rid of welfare, they would still need top ups.</p>
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<p>I thought I saw something the other day saying it would be another 1/3 on top of the existing budget in NZ?</p>
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<p>Might be a remark about welfare levels in NZ in general, cost of living etc. Unemployment rate is only 5.8% compared to our 6.2% for example. Smaller population.</p>
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<p>Just to move away from music videos ~ I just got a surface pro 4 (through work) and went online to see what it can do (I just wanted it because you don't have to take it out when going through airport security ~ lazy bastard that I am). </p>
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<p>Just to move away from music videos ~ I just got a surface pro 4 (through work) and went online to see what it can do (I just wanted it because you don't have to take it out when going through airport security ~ lazy bastard that I am). </p>
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<p>University (and school) would be a breeze.</p>
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<p>You'll have to take a surface pro out at airport security - I always get told to take my tablet out.</p> -
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="NTA" data-cid="566638" data-time="1458683987"><p>Someone at work here did the back-of-napkin calculations: social welfare versus a basic living wage in Australia worked out to be within $2B of each other.</p></blockquote><br>I sincerely doubt that. Social security and welfare consumes $154 billion and about 80% of the population are adults. That would mean everyone would get about $8,000<br><br>If you gave only half the adult population a living wage of the tax free threshold it would still require another 10% and that's a pretty shit "living wage".
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<p>Labour have shown just how bad they are politically with this. They never intended to endorse this concept or hold it out as policy but what they were doing was a fairly (for them) forward thinking bit of brainstorming about where we are heading as a society and what kind of things we should be looking at.</p>
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<p>The overall concept of creating a system where the production advantages from technology create wealth which is redistributed among the population is not an entirely stupid one. The devil is in the detail and the transition would be all round scary.</p>
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<p>For me it wouldn't be a question of creating layabouts it would be a re-designed society where 'social' tasks are done to qualify for a living entitlement. This is all idealism but certainly worth discussing and thinking about.</p>
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<p>Now if labour had any smarts they would have packaged this as a whole 'Labour are thinking long term and holding various events and conferences to look at where we may be and what we may need to be doing sometime in the future. This can help shape current short and medium term policies.'</p>
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<p>Instead they painted a big target on their own backs for the media to take potshots and for everyone to laugh at.</p> -
<p>Toffees, respect</p>
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Toffees, respect<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/78257845/hotter-than-the-sun--kiwi-footballer-laura-merrin-hits-the-headlines">http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/78257845/hotter-than-the-sun--kiwi-footballer-laura-merrin-hits-the-headlines</a></p></blockquote>
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