Australia v India
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@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@MN5 said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
Short memories around the place, Tim Paine was MoTM just two tests ago! Has the second highest batting average of any Aussie keeper (behind Gilchrist), and despite a tough few hours is still as good a gloveman as we have.
Banter was a bit much late, but they were pushing to win a crucial test, been in the field all day, and it was more annoying than offensive. Happy to give him the benefit of the doubt given his track record so far.
No hundreds and the modern game demands a keeper with an average of close to 40 these days.
Well, ok we’re pretty spoilt with BJ to be fair, whoever succeeds him has massive shoes to fill.
But fuck Tim Paine, not remotely in that class.
No, but once again it's not like we've got keepers averaging 40 floating around. The cupboard is bare.
I'm a big Paine fan. What he's done with this team since Sandpapergate is truly remarkable, in terms of reputation and on-field performance. He was never going to be an all-time player, but he was the man for his time.
He is at the bottom of the pantheon of Australian skippers, but from where he was just a few years ago the fact that he is actually in that pantheon is an enormous achievement.
This test series has hurt that reputation though.
Has it? How? One exchange with Ashwin yesterday, which was pretty tame by historical standards. And a dropped catch, but not exactly a match-defining one. Yes it certainly didn't help him, but in the grand scheme of things I don't think it will linger that long in the memory.
and being fined for dissent towards the umpire.
And his carry on after being given out DRS earlier in the series
Neither has really resonated here. In the first instance, he didn't exactly abuse the umpire, what he said was fairly benign IMO. And I think most people sympathised with his 'carry on', which again was pretty light. It wasn't like he stood at the crease and refused to leave. In both instances he was just frustrated at what a lot of people thought were questionable DRS calls.
Tim Paine is a topic everywhere in the news this morning about his behaviour. Given his 'nice guy' reputation (was supposedly a key reason he got the captain's role in the first place) - i'd say this test series has hurt that reputation.
@KiwiMurph These are his comments this morning, interesting IMO:
“I want to apologise for the way I went about things yesterday. I’m someone who prides themselves on the way I lead this team and yesterday was a poor reflection of the team,” Paine said.
“I let the pressure of the game get to me. It affected my mood and my performance.
“I’ve had a really poor game as a leader … yesterday I fell short of my expectations and our team’s standards. I’m human. I want to apologise for the mistakes I made yesterday.
“It’s certainly not a reflection of the way I want to lead this team. We’ve set high standards over the last few months and … I’m bitterly disappointed.
“My mood throughout the whole Test match was a bit off. The way I spoke to the umpires was unacceptable.
“I’ve got to cop that on the chin. It’s certainly not a reflection of how I want to do it going forward.
“I fell short of my own standards and expectations. I’m bitterly disappointed with that.”
“I ended up looking a fool, didn’t I? Opened my mouth and dropped a catch (after sledging Ashwin).”
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@KiwiMurph These are his comments this morning, interesting IMO:
“I want to apologise for the way I went about things yesterday. I’m someone who prides themselves on the way I lead this team and yesterday was a poor reflection of the team,” Paine said.
“I let the pressure of the game get to me. It affected my mood and my performance.
“I’ve had a really poor game as a leader … yesterday I fell short of my expectations and our team’s standards. I’m human. I want to apologise for the mistakes I made yesterday.
“It’s certainly not a reflection of the way I want to lead this team. We’ve set high standards over the last few months and … I’m bitterly disappointed.
“My mood throughout the whole Test match was a bit off. The way I spoke to the umpires was unacceptable.
“I’ve got to cop that on the chin. It’s certainly not a reflection of how I want to do it going forward.
“I fell short of my own standards and expectations. I’m bitterly disappointed with that.”
“I ended up looking a fool, didn’t I? Opened my mouth and dropped a catch (after sledging Ashwin).”
@barbarian Good comments.
He'll be wanting his actions (or in some cases lack of actions) to do the talking in Brisbane.
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Paine for me is a cultural touchstone with Langer in this team. The two of them landed in the job together and were a key part of turning that around. Certainly Langer loves the bloke.
It is clear that, while Watling is a good player for NZ, it doesn't necessarily mean he'd be the right fit for Australia.
I don't necessarily buy into a team being better than the sum of its parts, but having the right balance is important.
Hypothetically, if you put Watling in as keeper, who is the captain? What does that do to the balance and organisation of the team? Could BJ perform in the same way if he doesn't have Taylor, Boult, Williamson etc. around him?
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Paine for me is a cultural touchstone with Langer in this team. The two of them landed in the job together and were a key part of turning that around. Certainly Langer loves the bloke.
It is clear that, while Watling is a good player for NZ, it doesn't necessarily mean he'd be the right fit for Australia.
I don't necessarily buy into a team being better than the sum of its parts, but having the right balance is important.
Hypothetically, if you put Watling in as keeper, who is the captain? What does that do to the balance and organisation of the team? Could BJ perform in the same way if he doesn't have Taylor, Boult, Williamson etc. around him?
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@NTA I would agree that Paine was integral to the culture change that was needed after sandpapergate. Clearly he delivers some intangibles alongside his statistical contributions
@canefan said in Australia v India:
@NTA I would agree that Paine was integral to the culture change that was needed after sandpapergate. Clearly he delivers some intangibles alongside his statistical contributions
Eight 50s and zero tons just in case anyone needed reminding.
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@canefan said in Australia v India:
@NTA I would agree that Paine was integral to the culture change that was needed after sandpapergate. Clearly he delivers some intangibles alongside his statistical contributions
Eight 50s and zero tons just in case anyone needed reminding.
@MN5 said in Australia v India:
@canefan said in Australia v India:
@NTA I would agree that Paine was integral to the culture change that was needed after sandpapergate. Clearly he delivers some intangibles alongside his statistical contributions
Eight 50s and zero tons just in case anyone needed reminding.
Not a bad captain, in case anyone needs reminding:
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@MN5 said in Australia v India:
@canefan said in Australia v India:
@NTA I would agree that Paine was integral to the culture change that was needed after sandpapergate. Clearly he delivers some intangibles alongside his statistical contributions
Eight 50s and zero tons just in case anyone needed reminding.
Not a bad captain, in case anyone needs reminding:
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@MN5 said in Australia v India:
@canefan said in Australia v India:
@NTA I would agree that Paine was integral to the culture change that was needed after sandpapergate. Clearly he delivers some intangibles alongside his statistical contributions
Eight 50s and zero tons just in case anyone needed reminding.
Not a bad captain, in case anyone needs reminding:
@NTA said in Australia v India:
@MN5 said in Australia v India:
@canefan said in Australia v India:
@NTA I would agree that Paine was integral to the culture change that was needed after sandpapergate. Clearly he delivers some intangibles alongside his statistical contributions
Eight 50s and zero tons just in case anyone needed reminding.
Not a bad captain, in case anyone needs reminding:
Bad prep, everyone knows that.
Watling > Paine
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@MN5 said in Australia v India:
@canefan said in Australia v India:
@NTA I would agree that Paine was integral to the culture change that was needed after sandpapergate. Clearly he delivers some intangibles alongside his statistical contributions
Eight 50s and zero tons just in case anyone needed reminding.
Not a bad captain, in case anyone needs reminding:
@NTA said in Australia v India:
@MN5 said in Australia v India:
@canefan said in Australia v India:
@NTA I would agree that Paine was integral to the culture change that was needed after sandpapergate. Clearly he delivers some intangibles alongside his statistical contributions
Eight 50s and zero tons just in case anyone needed reminding.
Not a bad captain, in case anyone needs reminding:
You know psychological abuse is still abuse right?
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@NTA said in Australia v India:
@MN5 said in Australia v India:
@canefan said in Australia v India:
@NTA I would agree that Paine was integral to the culture change that was needed after sandpapergate. Clearly he delivers some intangibles alongside his statistical contributions
Eight 50s and zero tons just in case anyone needed reminding.
Not a bad captain, in case anyone needs reminding:
You know psychological abuse is still abuse right?
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@NTA said in Australia v India:
@MN5 said in Australia v India:
Bad prep, everyone knows that.
"Mental Disintegration"
I think the word you want is perish
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Paine for me is a cultural touchstone with Langer in this team. The two of them landed in the job together and were a key part of turning that around. Certainly Langer loves the bloke.
It is clear that, while Watling is a good player for NZ, it doesn't necessarily mean he'd be the right fit for Australia.
I don't necessarily buy into a team being better than the sum of its parts, but having the right balance is important.
Hypothetically, if you put Watling in as keeper, who is the captain? What does that do to the balance and organisation of the team? Could BJ perform in the same way if he doesn't have Taylor, Boult, Williamson etc. around him?
@NTA said in Australia v India:
It is clear that, while Watling is a good player for NZ, it doesn't necessarily mean he'd be the right fit for Australia.
Agree, a custodian of the game like Watling would never fit into the Aus culture
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@KiwiMurph These are his comments this morning, interesting IMO:
“I want to apologise for the way I went about things yesterday. I’m someone who prides themselves on the way I lead this team and yesterday was a poor reflection of the team,” Paine said.
“I let the pressure of the game get to me. It affected my mood and my performance.
“I’ve had a really poor game as a leader … yesterday I fell short of my expectations and our team’s standards. I’m human. I want to apologise for the mistakes I made yesterday.
“It’s certainly not a reflection of the way I want to lead this team. We’ve set high standards over the last few months and … I’m bitterly disappointed.
“My mood throughout the whole Test match was a bit off. The way I spoke to the umpires was unacceptable.
“I’ve got to cop that on the chin. It’s certainly not a reflection of how I want to do it going forward.
“I fell short of my own standards and expectations. I’m bitterly disappointed with that.”
“I ended up looking a fool, didn’t I? Opened my mouth and dropped a catch (after sledging Ashwin).”
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@KiwiMurph These are his comments this morning, interesting IMO:
“I want to apologise for the way I went about things yesterday. I’m someone who prides themselves on the way I lead this team and yesterday was a poor reflection of the team,” Paine said.
“I let the pressure of the game get to me. It affected my mood and my performance.
“I’ve had a really poor game as a leader … yesterday I fell short of my expectations and our team’s standards. I’m human. I want to apologise for the mistakes I made yesterday.
“It’s certainly not a reflection of the way I want to lead this team. We’ve set high standards over the last few months and … I’m bitterly disappointed.
“My mood throughout the whole Test match was a bit off. The way I spoke to the umpires was unacceptable.
“I’ve got to cop that on the chin. It’s certainly not a reflection of how I want to do it going forward.
“I fell short of my own standards and expectations. I’m bitterly disappointed with that.”
“I ended up looking a fool, didn’t I? Opened my mouth and dropped a catch (after sledging Ashwin).”
That's an excellent response. No tears I presume
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@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@KiwiMurph These are his comments this morning, interesting IMO:
“I want to apologise for the way I went about things yesterday. I’m someone who prides themselves on the way I lead this team and yesterday was a poor reflection of the team,” Paine said.
“I let the pressure of the game get to me. It affected my mood and my performance.
“I’ve had a really poor game as a leader … yesterday I fell short of my expectations and our team’s standards. I’m human. I want to apologise for the mistakes I made yesterday.
“It’s certainly not a reflection of the way I want to lead this team. We’ve set high standards over the last few months and … I’m bitterly disappointed.
“My mood throughout the whole Test match was a bit off. The way I spoke to the umpires was unacceptable.
“I’ve got to cop that on the chin. It’s certainly not a reflection of how I want to do it going forward.
“I fell short of my own standards and expectations. I’m bitterly disappointed with that.”
“I ended up looking a fool, didn’t I? Opened my mouth and dropped a catch (after sledging Ashwin).”
That's an excellent response. No tears I presume
@Siam said in Australia v India:
@barbarian said in Australia v India:
@KiwiMurph These are his comments this morning, interesting IMO:
“I want to apologise for the way I went about things yesterday. I’m someone who prides themselves on the way I lead this team and yesterday was a poor reflection of the team,” Paine said.
“I let the pressure of the game get to me. It affected my mood and my performance.
“I’ve had a really poor game as a leader … yesterday I fell short of my expectations and our team’s standards. I’m human. I want to apologise for the mistakes I made yesterday.
“It’s certainly not a reflection of the way I want to lead this team. We’ve set high standards over the last few months and … I’m bitterly disappointed.
“My mood throughout the whole Test match was a bit off. The way I spoke to the umpires was unacceptable.
“I’ve got to cop that on the chin. It’s certainly not a reflection of how I want to do it going forward.
“I fell short of my own standards and expectations. I’m bitterly disappointed with that.”
“I ended up looking a fool, didn’t I? Opened my mouth and dropped a catch (after sledging Ashwin).”
That's an excellent response. No tears I presume
Honest contrition is the best strategy
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@KiwiMurph These are his comments this morning, interesting IMO:
“I want to apologise for the way I went about things yesterday. I’m someone who prides themselves on the way I lead this team and yesterday was a poor reflection of the team,” Paine said.
“I let the pressure of the game get to me. It affected my mood and my performance.
“I’ve had a really poor game as a leader … yesterday I fell short of my expectations and our team’s standards. I’m human. I want to apologise for the mistakes I made yesterday.
“It’s certainly not a reflection of the way I want to lead this team. We’ve set high standards over the last few months and … I’m bitterly disappointed.
“My mood throughout the whole Test match was a bit off. The way I spoke to the umpires was unacceptable.
“I’ve got to cop that on the chin. It’s certainly not a reflection of how I want to do it going forward.
“I fell short of my own standards and expectations. I’m bitterly disappointed with that.”
“I ended up looking a fool, didn’t I? Opened my mouth and dropped a catch (after sledging Ashwin).”
@barbarian could be a politician with an apology like that...
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@NTA said in Australia v India:
@MN5 said in Australia v India:
Bad prep, everyone knows that.
"Mental Disintegration"
Steve Waugh is that you ?
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@NTA said in Australia v India:
@MN5 said in Australia v India:
Bad prep, everyone knows that.
"Mental Disintegration"
Steve Waugh is that you ?
@MN5 said in Australia v India:
@NTA said in Australia v India:
@MN5 said in Australia v India:
Bad prep, everyone knows that.
"Mental Disintegration"
Steve Waugh is that you ?
I wish.
YOU wish - "Hey remember that time I was having a beer with Steve Waugh in downtown Welly?"
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And the response to the 'Steve Smith cheating again' story has been pretty strong. I liked this article by Geoff Lemon, not historically a great defender of the Aussie team:
By the last day of any Test, the marks have been dug into trenches. Anyone walking to the crease can clearly see them. Players still take guard again, because that’s part of feeling settled and ready to face the bowling. But the marks themselves are clear. Then there is the matter of what a fifth-day pitch is made of. Unwatered throughout, baking in the sun, the batting ends have been so well trodden that not a blade of grass remains. The turf has turned to bare hard clay. The marks from earlier days are set. At this point, it is literally impossible for a player to remove the principal batting marks with four scrapes of a boot. It would require calling the ground staff for some excavation tools. Perhaps you could remove a mark on a soft English pitch on day one. Not an Australian pitch on day five. -
And the response to the 'Steve Smith cheating again' story has been pretty strong. I liked this article by Geoff Lemon, not historically a great defender of the Aussie team:
By the last day of any Test, the marks have been dug into trenches. Anyone walking to the crease can clearly see them. Players still take guard again, because that’s part of feeling settled and ready to face the bowling. But the marks themselves are clear. Then there is the matter of what a fifth-day pitch is made of. Unwatered throughout, baking in the sun, the batting ends have been so well trodden that not a blade of grass remains. The turf has turned to bare hard clay. The marks from earlier days are set. At this point, it is literally impossible for a player to remove the principal batting marks with four scrapes of a boot. It would require calling the ground staff for some excavation tools. Perhaps you could remove a mark on a soft English pitch on day one. Not an Australian pitch on day five.@barbarian said in Australia v India:
And the response to the 'Steve Smith cheating again' story has been pretty strong. I liked this article by Geoff Lemon, not historically a great defender of the Aussie team:
Well you would say that, you filthy convict. #underarm #neverforget
(Just getting in before everyone else :smiling_face_with_sunglasses: )
