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@Bovidae said in Other Cricket:
@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
@Chris-B I certainly like all I have heard about Holding but I just didn’t see him play much, only highlights. I remember Garner and Marshall when they came here in 87 but Holding had retired by then I think ?
1987 in NZ was Holding's last test series. He played in the 1st test only.
A couple of mates and I wagged school for the day to watch WI play a warmup game at Seddon Park. Richards and Marshall weren't playing and sat on the embarkment with us to have a chat. I remember getting them to sign my exercise book.
Outstanding, yarning with those two legends ( and they both absolutely were ) beats breakfast with Liam Squire, Joe Moody, Jerome Kaino and Damian McKenzie that's for sure.
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@KiwiPie said in Other Cricket:
@Chris-B said in Other Cricket:
I happened to be dining with Hashan Tillekaratne after the Sri Lankans beat the South Africans in Wellington at the 1992 CWC
You were having dinner with him or stalked his table and accosted him when he went to the loo?
A guy I worked with happened to be big in the NZ-Sri Lanka Friendship Society (or some-such) so I wangled an invite to their dinner. Hashan got assigned to our table.
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My Gramps loaned me Feddie Trueman’s book when I was maybe about 13-14. I was quite big on sports biographies there for a while. We’d go round to Nan & Gramps’ over summer and I’d sit there watching what ever cricket was on with him, while Mum and Nan drank far too many cups of tea. He’d tell me stories of how he’d listen to the cricket on the wireless when England were out here and what an amazing bowler Trueman was.
Can’t remember a lot of the detail from the book, but I do remember thinking gee, this guy was some bowler!
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Cricket books are great. I had a flick through Paddles book at the folks, it has been sitting on their shelf for fuck knows how long. Quite amusing, he was batting with Jeff Crowe vs Sri Lanka ( you know, the NZ battler who was no where near as good as his brother at batting ) and the first one to get to a hundred ( they both did ) would have the honour of scoring New Zealand’s 100th first class century. Did Paddles, by that stage already a legend, bow down and let the inferior Crowe brother get it ?
Fuck no, he accelerated, got the hundred first ( finishing on 151 not out because breaking every NZ bowling record wasn’t enough) and left JC to get an unbeaten 120......or in other words the 101st century...
Is it any wonder some of Paddles teammates weren’t too impressed with him at times ?
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@Chris-B said in Other Cricket:
@Gunner He might have written more than one - that one was a little bit like "Hadlee on Cricket" - semi autobiographical, but also with quite a few coaching tips.
Oh na, it must have been another one I read. Straight autobiography, no coaching or anything like that in it.
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Feel free to move if this is the wrong thread but woohoooo, great stuff ( puts on grumpy old man hat ) only two tests ?
I hope they give us respect and don’t treat us like a warm up for India....
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My F-I-L played for Middlesex through all the grades to 2ndXI before WWII (played with Compton and a host of other greats) always rated Trueman but said he wasn't as good for England as Typhoon Tyson.
His all time favourite bowler though was Hadlee who he said had it all
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@dogmeat said in Other Cricket:
My F-I-L played for Middlesex through all the grades to 2ndXI before WWII (played with Compton and a host of other greats) always rated Trueman but said he wasn't as good for England as Typhoon Tyson.
His all time favourite bowler though was Hadlee who he said had it all
I wonder how quick Paddle was before he shortened the run up ?
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@MN5 My memory is he tried to be Thomo but was always a yard or two down on pace compared to the really quick guys.
In the mid 70's they did a sort of celebrity bowl off to determine who was the fastest. Paddles didn't really feature.
I don't think he really lost much pace when he shortened his run up but gained all the control that made him some fearsome.
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@dogmeat said in Other Cricket:
@MN5 My memory is he tried to be Thomo but was always a yard or two down on pace compared to the really quick guys.
In the mid 70's they did a sort of celebrity bowl off to determine who was the fastest. Paddles didn't really feature.
I don't think he really lost much pace when he shortened his run up but gained all the control that made him some fearsome.
Some Aussie players of the 70's reckon Thommo hit 180km at his best which I'm fairly sure is bullshit.
He was fucken quick though. Probably still the fastest that's ever lived. That alone was what made him dangerous, when he lost that pace he was pretty bog standard unlike Paddles.
Out of the West Indians they reckon Holding was absolute lightning and Marshall too of course.
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@dogmeat said in Other Cricket:
@MN5 My memory is he tried to be Thomo but was always a yard or two down on pace compared to the really quick guys.
In the mid 70's they did a sort of celebrity bowl off to determine who was the fastest. Paddles didn't really feature.
I don't think he really lost much pace when he shortened his run up but gained all the control that made him some fearsome.
I remember that. They did a couple of them. It was speed and accuracy Paddles did alright in the the latter I think.
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@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
@dogmeat said in Other Cricket:
My F-I-L played for Middlesex through all the grades to 2ndXI before WWII (played with Compton and a host of other greats) always rated Trueman but said he wasn't as good for England as Typhoon Tyson.
His all time favourite bowler though was Hadlee who he said had it all
I wonder how quick Paddle was before he shortened the run up ?
130s with the occasional faster ball in the low 140s I think. In a documentary/TV special about Hadlee, Dickie Bird said he was the greatest fast bowler of all time.
Allan Donald's take on Hadlee - particularly interesting point about Hadlee bowling in the nets like it was test cricket, including all the prep on his own team. Excellent prep for the batsmen to have him work out their weaknesses in training rather than find out against the other team.
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There was a big gulf between how good Trueman was and how good Trueman thought Trueman was. He would have actually taken even more test wickets if he didn't keep on being dropped early on - basically for being a northern oik.
Tyson was Bond to Trueman's Southee - devastating but for a short time only. Statham was mainly Trueman's bowling partner.
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I've got a cricket book by Michael Parkinson, in which he tells several Trueman stories that Fred denied, so he asked Fred to tell him a strange one that was true.
According to Fred, he was invited to India for their 50th Jubilee celebrations and as part of those Fred was travelling by train miles from anywhere across India, when they stopped at a tiny station and Fred needed to use the toilet. The stationmaster was delighted at this request and insisted on escorting Fred into the station buildings into a small room where, where he drew back a curtain to unveil a Victorian chamber pot with F.S. Trueman written on the side.
Parkinson raises all the obvious questions about how the stationmaster ever got the idea that Fred would ever arrive at his station and need to use toilets.....but, apparently Fred swore it was true.
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@Chris-B said in Other Cricket:
I've got a cricket book by Michael Parkinson, in which he tells several Trueman stories that Fred denied, so he asked Fred to tell him a strange one that was true.
According to Fred, he was invited to India for their 50th Jubilee celebrations and as part of those Fred was travelling by train miles from anywhere across India, when they stopped at a tiny station and Fred needed to use the toilet. The stationmaster was delighted at this request and insisted on escorting Fred into the station buildings into a small room where, where he drew back a curtain to unveil a Victorian chamber pot with F.S. Trueman written on the side.
Parkinson raises all the obvious questions about how the stationmaster ever got the idea that Fred would ever arrive at his station and need to use toilets.....but, apparently Fred swore it was true.
This seems to be an extremely long winded story about an English pace bowler having a piss in India.
