Investing - Property/Shares
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Might need an energy thread
@pakman said in Investing - Property/Shares:
@voodoo said in Investing - Property/Shares:
And all of those countries will benefit from the points I mentioned earlier. As the grid gets smarter, EV's can help to smooth loads, power homes at certain times. Its not just a new, big drain on the power supply.
China is in process of building a fleet of coal plants to produce an insane number of GWs!
Definitely an issue - some are designed to replace older, less efficient plants. More interesting is that capacity factor across the fleet is below 50% as of 2019. Why build new coal when you're not even using half of what you have?
Overbuild has been part of their planning for decades, but at 50% CF you'd surely mothball any new plans until that rose to mid-70s percent and in the meantime add a crapload of wind or even nuclear, given it is China after all.
Some of it is being driven by the need to stimulate growth by the continuation of jobs and action by the big power companies. Some by politics - quoting "energy security" is always a winner.
Analysis: Will China build hundreds of new coal plants in the 2020s?
Powerful stakeholders in China are lobbying for targets that would allow hundreds of new coal-fired power stations to be built into its next five-year-plan.
It presents a further geopolitical challenge if countries start accounting for carbon trading in their tariffs. Who is going to be the first to tell China their goods cost more due to coal?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Investing - Property/Shares:
@pakman said in Investing - Property/Shares:
Friends tell me the price of replacing the battery drives the resale value.
Resale values seem to hold well for the Kia Hyundai vehicles - if you can find a used one.
Have been watching Robert Llewellyn on his YouTube channel about EVs and one area that might provide a ready source of second hand EVs is the lease market. Three years down the track, a few start popping up, and they have favourable policies in place for zero-carbon emissions in the lease market that can get some in the door who would otherwise not be able to afford an EV.
Goodness knows dealers aren't pushing them because they're less profitable than fuel burners on service etc.
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@NTA said in Investing - Property/Shares:
Goodness knows dealers aren't pushing them because they're less profitable than fuel burners on service etc.
They're pushing them quite hard here. Diesel and petrol car sales are banned here in 9 years time
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A couple of other comments:
Tech stocks - we have seen all of this before. I think it took 18 years for the Nasdaq to get back to where it was in 1999. I'm more with Warren Buffet, invest in something that people actually need food, clothing, etc (he was big into Coca Cola though). Tech has its place but easily gets over inflated. FOMO I suppose.Without getting too far into EVs again, and this is investment related, you can get up to 10% ROI on one. Depending on how many solar panels you put in and what you spend on the car.
I have just calculated that my Dad spent about $180k and is getting around 6% (bloody lovely but expensive car) can easily do better than that. You do have to be able to charge the car from the panels during the day though. If you are at work it doesn't add up the same. -
@Snowy said in Investing - Property/Shares:
Tech stocks - we have seen all of this before.
This time you can add regulation and anti-trust actions to the risks. Google is a prime candidate to be broken up along with Apple. Will be interesting to see how the Oz - Google News royalty spat goes.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Investing - Property/Shares:
@Snowy said in Investing - Property/Shares:
Tech stocks - we have seen all of this before.
This time you can add regulation and anti-trust actions to the risks. Google is a prime candidate to be broken up along with Apple. Will be interesting to see how the Oz - Google News royalty spat goes.
Which might be a reason Google valuation metrics were only FANG ones which were half reasonable when I looked late last year.
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@Snowy said in Investing - Property/Shares:
@dogmeat said in Investing - Property/Shares:
@Snowy I've never had a property investment. I decided to gain exposure to property by investing in companies who made money in that sector. Mainly because I didn't want the hassles you faced.
I do get the attraction of property i.e. you get 100% of the total CG for a minimal outlay but I like the flexibility and liquidity of equities.
Liquidity is another of my old man's catch phrases. I've never been in a position where I had to sell in a hurry, so haven't been caught out, but it is a valid point.
Your first point is where I am going now. Best of both worlds, still in the property market but more diversified risk. Looking closely at peer to peer lending. Squirrel and Zagga (had Harmoney and it was O.K but they sold out). Good returns, secured against property with out actually owning it and the issues that go with that.
Without having looked into it myself (TL:DR), what happens when the loan isn't repaid and you have to liquidate the secured property - who takes responsibility for that? Because I imagine that would be a complete ball ache for an investor who may have only lent a relatively small sum.
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@junior Done by the company that "owns" the loan ( the two mentioned). LVRs are pretty good (for a lender) so disposal of a default means it is pretty secure. Harmoney was very small units ($20 I think) and they had plenty of defaults, but interest rates were high to cover it.
Zagga is only 1K, Squirrel only $500 for minimum investment but obviously much easier to dp more than that. Most of them average $750k loans and they go really fast.
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I cant really actively invest in shares due to work reasons (independence etc) so just have kiwisaver which isnt one Im actively involved in so basically runs on autopilot leaving me at the mercy of the investment managers (who I actually do rate).
This means property is more for me. Have our home and a rental on the shore plus the bach but wouldn't mind another rental this year
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@JK I'm selling one in a few weeks at auction (if not sold prior of course). Just giving it a tidy up at the moment. I did a complete reno on it about 4 years ago. I've made my money out of it but it will go higher I think. Getting a good tenant is the key. PM me if interested.
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https://www.pggwre.co.nz/property/MAT33663/gore-road-matamata/
For those that want a lifestyle block, we have sliced a hectare off. Apparently it's the only one in the district but I can't back that up. They aren't lasting though and are selling at overs in my opinion.
We did consider building on it and selling but neither of us have that extra bit of time to organise so decided to do it the "stress free" way.
I think someone will buy and get a house built and transported onto it and then sell. Probably a very quick way making a $300k profit.
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@Hooroo said in Investing - Property/Shares:
https://www.pggwre.co.nz/property/MAT33663/gore-road-matamata/
For those that want a lifestyle block, we have sliced a hectare off. Apparently it's the only one in the district but I can't back that up. They aren't lasting though and are selling at overs in my opinion.
We did consider building on it and selling but neither of us have that extra bit of time to organise so decided to do it the "stress free" way.
I think someone will buy and get a house built and transported onto it and then sell. Probably a very quick way making a $300k profit.
Steve Hansen helping you sell it
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@MajorRage said in Investing - Property/Shares:
@Hooroo said in Investing - Property/Shares:
https://www.pggwre.co.nz/property/MAT33663/gore-road-matamata/
For those that want a lifestyle block, we have sliced a hectare off. Apparently it's the only one in the district but I can't back that up. They aren't lasting though and are selling at overs in my opinion.
We did consider building on it and selling but neither of us have that extra bit of time to organise so decided to do it the "stress free" way.
I think someone will buy and get a house built and transported onto it and then sell. Probably a very quick way making a $300k profit.
Steve Hansen helping you sell it
I was going to throw in a free membership at the golf club but forgot to tell him that before the ad went up
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@Snowy said in Investing - Property/Shares:
@junior Done by the company that "owns" the loan ( the two mentioned). LVRs are pretty good (for a lender) so disposal of a default means it is pretty secure. Harmoney was very small units ($20 I think) and they had plenty of defaults, but interest rates were high to cover it.
Zagga is only 1K, Squirrel only $500 for minimum investment but obviously much easier to dp more than that. Most of them average $750k loans and they go really fast.
In UK, valuations of loans and their underlying collateral has been an issue.
Under modern accounting, often no general provision for bad debts is made. Even though established banks know that over a business cycle small scale lending inevitably leads to defaults and losses.
So results in the 'good times' look artifically good, but the chickens come home to roost in a recesiion (or a pandemic).
I'd be careful.
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We have a few property investments in an extended family trust/company. Annoying thing now is we have freehold assets, a decent deposit and rental income. But the banks won't loan us more money for another property, either because our deposit is insufficient for what we want to buy, because my sister now lives abroad so her income there apparently doesn't matter, and the olds are retired so don't have annual financial accounts. All this despite having rent to service the loan and the prospect of ample security from our existing places and the one we would buy. Funny because I was under the impression that the banks were quite happy to give money to much worse prospects than us. After banking with the ASB for years apparently it counts for nothing
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@canefan A bank manager. A man who lends you his umbrella on a sunny day but demands it back at the first sight of rain.
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@Catogrande said in Investing - Property/Shares:
@canefan A bank manager. A man who lends you his umbrella on a sunny day but demands it back at the first sight of rain.
Yes. Might need to see a mortgage broker. Clearly I am not asking the right questions
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@canefan said in Investing - Property/Shares:
@Catogrande said in Investing - Property/Shares:
@canefan A bank manager. A man who lends you his umbrella on a sunny day but demands it back at the first sight of rain.
Yes. Might need to see a mortgage broker. Clearly I am not asking the right questions
Know a few mortgage brokers - they usually find the sweet spots.
Maybe you're not risky enough?
The guy at the rugby club in the process of selling up his Sydney house to move into the investment up the coast was completely unaware that you get better interest rates once you have a certain level of exposure - he has had the same place for over a decade and never needed a mortgage bigger than $400K.
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@NTA said in Investing - Property/Shares:
@canefan said in Investing - Property/Shares:
@Catogrande said in Investing - Property/Shares:
@canefan A bank manager. A man who lends you his umbrella on a sunny day but demands it back at the first sight of rain.
Yes. Might need to see a mortgage broker. Clearly I am not asking the right questions
Know a few mortgage brokers - they usually find the sweet spots.
Maybe you're not risky enough?
The guy at the rugby club in the process of selling up his Sydney house to move into the investment up the coast was completely unaware that you get better interest rates once you have a certain level of exposure - he has had the same place for over a decade and never needed a mortgage bigger than $400K.
Our problem was that we stopped acquiring. You need a reassuring level of debt it would appear
