Chiefs 2021
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@mofitzy_ yeah he is, not Māori. Might have been before my time on the fern, who was the OG Māori jesus?
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@mofitzy_ said in Chiefs 2021:
Who is the most likely candidate for the second coming of Maori Jesus? Tupaea, Sullivan or Pohipi?
ALB is already here.
To be a bit more serious, no one around (in this team) comes close in terms of natural versatility and capability to be effective in multiple positions. Given that Maori Jesus was effective at 12, 13, 15, and could cover both wings, we’re miles away from having someone like that.
Its been a while since there has been a player like that around. I guess Havili is the closest at the moment? Or perhaps Goosen, who is a bit down the class scale compared to those two.
Or Jordie perhaps.
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@Yeetyaah Charlie Ngatai IIRC.
@Crazy-Horse ah yeah old Chizz.
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@gt12 I don't remember Charlie playing on the wing.
Tiatia would be the utility back in this squad as he can play 11-15. Samoan Jesus.
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@Bovidae said in Chiefs 2021:
@gt12 I don't remember Charlie playing on the wing.
Tiatia would be the utility back in this squad as he can play 11-15. Samoan Jesus.
Tiatia probably rates as one of the disciples at best.
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It says a lot if the best we’ve got for that role is Tiatia.
I’m hoping that we won’t be the worst NZ Super rugby side. I’m not holding out much hope though, the landers seem to have a few more better pieces in key positions.
@gt12 said in Chiefs 2021:
It says a lot if the best we’ve got for that role is Tiatia.
I’m hoping that we won’t be the worst NZ Super rugby side. I’m not holding out much hope though, the landers seem to have a few more better pieces in key positions.
Should have made the alignment with the Magpies and not the Naki.
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It says a lot if the best we’ve got for that role is Tiatia.
I’m hoping that we won’t be the worst NZ Super rugby side. I’m not holding out much hope though, the landers seem to have a few more better pieces in key positions.
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@gt12 said in Chiefs 2021:
It says a lot if the best we’ve got for that role is Tiatia.
Tiatia has one advantage over Ngatai - he's usually fit to play.
Good point.
I guess my underlying point is that when we got Rennie, he brought with him some fantastic pieces.
In McMillan’s case, they to be a bit less than fantastic.
I’m probably being unfair, but I’m pretty down on the Chiefs at the moment.
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Some big decisions to make about the Chiefs starting backline. I'd say the only certainties are Weber, Trask, ALB, Wainui and DMac.
My guess is something like this:
9 Weber
10 Trask
11 Nanai-Seturo
12 Nankivell
13 ALB
14 Wainui
15 DMacI think Wainui will be one of the wingers (left or right) but the other could be Stevenson, Nanai-Seturo or Lowe.
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Some big decisions to make about the Chiefs starting backline. I'd say the only certainties are Weber, Trask, ALB, Wainui and DMac.
My guess is something like this:
9 Weber
10 Trask
11 Nanai-Seturo
12 Nankivell
13 ALB
14 Wainui
15 DMacI think Wainui will be one of the wingers (left or right) but the other could be Stevenson, Nanai-Seturo or Lowe.
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@Stargazer Yes, they stuck with Trask last year at 1st 5 so I expect he'll get first crack. Gatland would be on the bench.
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@Stargazer said in Chiefs 2021:
@Bovidae You think they'll start Trask ahead of Gatland?
I hope they will but guess they won't. It will be like the Holwell days of the Canes with a Corolla leading the V8s around the track.
Hope also that ENS shows some early goods. It is all there, he just needs to turn the corner.
2019 Nankivell would get the 12 jersey no problems. Not so sure at the moment and I wouldn't be surprised to see an ALB/Wainui partnership making room for Stevenson on the wing.
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On form through the Mitre 10 Cup, Tupaea at 12, ALB at 13 looks good to me, with Lowe and Wainui/Stevenson on the wings.
If they dont start Trask/Dmac at 10/15 or 15/10, I’ll be very surprised.
@gt12 said in Chiefs 2021:
On form through the Mitre 10 Cup, Tupaea at 12, ALB at 13 looks good to me
I'd be happy with that combo. I went for Nankivell based on who I think McMillan and co will pick, not my preference. But we don't really know who they favour yet.
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Good point.
I guess my underlying point is that when we got Rennie, he brought with him some fantastic pieces.
In McMillan’s case, they to be a bit less than fantastic.
I’m probably being unfair, but I’m pretty down on the Chiefs at the moment.
@gt12 said in Chiefs 2021:
Good point.
I guess my underlying point is that when we got Rennie, he brought with him some fantastic pieces.
In McMillan’s case, they to be a bit less than fantastic.
I’m probably being unfair, but I’m pretty down on the Chiefs at the moment.
On the bright side: at the very least, McMillan can’t do any worse than Gatland.
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@Stargazer said in Chiefs 2021:
@Bovidae You think they'll start Trask ahead of Gatland?
I hope they will but guess they won't. It will be like the Holwell days of the Canes with a Corolla leading the V8s around the track.
Hope also that ENS shows some early goods. It is all there, he just needs to turn the corner.
2019 Nankivell would get the 12 jersey no problems. Not so sure at the moment and I wouldn't be surprised to see an ALB/Wainui partnership making room for Stevenson on the wing.
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2021:
I hope they will but guess they won't. It will be like the Holwell days of the Canes with a Corolla leading the V8s around the track.
That can work, provided the Corolla knows that it is one.
The ABs backline ran fine with Grant Fox at the helm, and a worse running first-five it would be hard to find. He knew to get it out quickly and let the outside backs do all the running.
The Hurricanes made the final with Holwell, let us not forget.
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@Crucial said in Chiefs 2021:
I hope they will but guess they won't. It will be like the Holwell days of the Canes with a Corolla leading the V8s around the track.
That can work, provided the Corolla knows that it is one.
The ABs backline ran fine with Grant Fox at the helm, and a worse running first-five it would be hard to find. He knew to get it out quickly and let the outside backs do all the running.
The Hurricanes made the final with Holwell, let us not forget.
@Chester-Draws said in Chiefs 2021:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2021:
I hope they will but guess they won't. It will be like the Holwell days of the Canes with a Corolla leading the V8s around the track.
That can work, provided the Corolla knows that it is one.
The ABs backline ran fine with Grant Fox at the helm, and a worse running first-five it would be hard to find. He knew to get it out quickly and let the outside backs do all the running.
The Hurricanes made the final with Holwell, let us not forget.
You are comparing rugby from 30 years ago with today. Look at the space afforded to backlines of those days and having deep backs running onto the ball worked fine. Now you get shut down behind the gain line.
I am all for a 10 that releases the ball quickly when you have a roll on but from static play you now need a ten that offers threats and can put a midfielder into a half gap to get things moving forward.
Holwell wasn't actually bad he just could have been much better. So many missed opportunities for the Canes backs in those days.
