World Test Championship
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@majorrage said in World Test Championship:
Absolute joke. India cruise to the 49 runs without loss and with only one decent shout.
Credibilty around spin bowling statistics is destroyed with these pitches. Absolutely no excuse for a game not going at least 2.5 days. BCCI should face serious sanctions.
But we know they won't.
It raises an interesting question about what a bad pitch looks like. To me, that looked like a pitch that was the same for both sides. A genuine turner - but both sides had to navigate it. Made runs absolutely gold, and far far better viewing than watching some of the roads that have been put together. Remember the glued pitch in Auckland in 1999 (link below)?
What people aren't talking about is the pink ball here. Pink ball tests must be throwing out more results and low runs per wicket than any others ... maybe it's a gimmick and we should go back to Red balls in the daytime?
link to glued pitch
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/officials-slam-dull-pitch-4-march-1999-82174 -
@act-crusader said in World Test Championship:
@majorrage said in World Test Championship:
Absolute joke. India cruise to the 49 runs without loss and with only one decent shout.
Credibilty around spin bowling statistics is destroyed with these pitches. Absolutely no excuse for a game not going at least 2.5 days. BCCI should face serious sanctions.
But we know they won't.
I’m not here to defend the BCCI but many of the England dismissals in both innings, guys were beaten by misreading the flight of the ball. Nothing remarkable or controversial there. Patel had the ball spinning like crazy before it even touched the pitch.
But add in India bowled out for 140 odd?
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@majorrage India are without doubt the better team and beforehand I would have just hoped for some degree of competitiveness. maybe England spanking India in the first test has had a knock on effect? Dunno but if this game had been played in the County Championship, the pitch would have been reported to the E&WCB.
I think if you have the will power to trawl through this thread, it was even suggested after India had levelled the series that this was a likelihood.
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@catogrande said in World Test Championship:
@act-crusader said in World Test Championship:
@majorrage said in World Test Championship:
Absolute joke. India cruise to the 49 runs without loss and with only one decent shout.
Credibilty around spin bowling statistics is destroyed with these pitches. Absolutely no excuse for a game not going at least 2.5 days. BCCI should face serious sanctions.
But we know they won't.
I’m not here to defend the BCCI but many of the England dismissals in both innings, guys were beaten by misreading the flight of the ball. Nothing remarkable or controversial there. Patel had the ball spinning like crazy before it even touched the pitch.
But add in India bowled out for 140 odd?
They completely misread Root too. They were cruising (relative to the game) at 99-3. And as we know getting one usually means two. And then the Indian middle order got nervy as.
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@kiwimurph said in World Test Championship:
All this talk about the pitch.
Didn't the Adelaide pink ball test Aus v India last about the same time?
When I was a kid I recall the Aussies preparing WACA pitches that had teams being rolled for under 100 or thereabouts.
And the Windies loved those conditions too...
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@majorrage said in World Test Championship:
Pitch was designed for an Indian victory in less than 3 days.
only because they play spin better. Conditions were similar for both sides - arguably England had the better of it as they won the toss.
To me, this is only a matter of degree. Preparing something that plays to your strenghts is fine - but you have to play on it too! This one probably turned a bit too much, but England also misread the conditions, picked a single spinner. IF they had played two half decent spinners, that game may have turned out with a different winner.
one thing's for sure, it ain't going to be a boring draw! I was gutted it was a 10pm NZT start; couldn't wait to watch some
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India has better spinners and their batsmen are better players of spin - and they are desperate to be the first World Test Champions.
They're not going to cut the English an even break.
Watch for the anomaly where India's players will be in England playing warm-up matches, while half our team is sitting in India watching the IPL!
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@catogrande said in World Test Championship:
@majorrage India are without doubt the better team and beforehand I would have just hoped for some degree of competitiveness. maybe England spanking India in the first test has had a knock on effect? Dunno but if this game had been played in the County Championship, the pitch would have been reported to the E&WCB.
I think if you have the will power to trawl through this thread, it was even suggested after India had levelled the series that this was a likelihood.
First test victory definitely had knock-on effect. The first test pitch is closer to what I would have thought India would want before series start, as these last 2 pitches reduce the skills gap and makes part-timers like Root lethal. But after they lost on that first test pitch, they were behind 8-ball and couldn't afford a few draws in the series due to WTC.
On your point about pitches being reported in county championship, if like this. yYes, but that is half, or 3/4s of England's problem. From what I gather from reading and podcats. Somerset have had pitches reported which were x times better than this pitch, but because they spun too much on day 1. Somerset have both Leach and Bess in their team. ECB are dumb to make all 18 counties have bland indistinguishable pitches. Dumb, retarded, stupid. Wrong people in charge, probably ex-batsmen.
Imagine having 18 FC domestic sides to choose from yet going into a dustbowl test with 4 seamers, 1 spinner and 1 part-timer.
In 20 years time, this test will be recalled for the crazy team selection more than the pitch. Like England's first test of 1993 tour to India where they picked 4 medium paced right-armers (plus 1 spinner) and India picked 3 spinners each of different type. (https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-india-1992-93-61796/india-vs-england-1st-test-63598/full-scorecard )
Even though point about pitch in this case is probably valid, I don't know, it was over too soon for me to watch much!
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@bovidae I looked up that 1932 Test. Quite remarkable. SA won the toss and batted first and were all out in 90 minutes for 36!
Australia fared better but were still dismissed for 153. Both teams totals were their lowest ever against their opponents.So SA resumed 117 runs behind and lost one for 5 before play ended.
Saturday was totally washed out, Sunday was a rest day (sabbath) and play didn't resume until 2:15 on the Monday. This time round SA couldn't even last 90 minutes, being skittled for the addition of only 40 more. Bert Ironmonger was unplayable once the sun came out. He had match figures of 11-24. SA's total aggregate of 81 is the lowest in tests for two completed innings. So despite having only scored 153, Oz won by an innings and 72 in only 109.2 overs and due to interruptions less than six hours actual playing time
SA only had one batsman reach double figures in each innings. Apart from these two only their #11 totaled 10 in two innings.
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That pitch was a strange one or maybe it was the pink ball which probably hasn't had an outing on a turner before. The danger of batting seemed to be that identical balls could either grip and turn or could skid and go straight on. From what I could see the revolutions on the ball were the same, they weren't arm balls as such. If you didn't get out to an unplayable ball then you tended to get yourself out by over thinking it.
Losing 2 in the first 3 balls (and the other ball was given out but TMO review saved Bairstow) meant England couldn't really try attacking tactics which looked the best policy against the spinners. Bairstow looked like a man who had never used a cricket bat before.
And in hindsight, England probably lost the game on the first day when they bowled their seamers for too long when Root was going to be so much more effective.
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Might be fruitful to examine the batting with the same vigour as examining the pitch. Kohli offered that 21 of the 30 wickets went to straight balls. Dunno but if elite batsmen can't bat for an hour on a professionally prepared pitch I'd say we look at techniques and application before making judgements that will inevitably lead to vanilla pitch legislation.
I'd take this game over 10 flat Aussie or UAE wickets that feature "500 for the loss of 6" games any day of the week.
A poor tradesman blames his tools. Neither Root or Kohli opined that the pitch was more substandard than the batting.
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@kiwipie I reckon the sg ball has a much more pronounced seam than kookaburras.
On another note, spoke to a kookaburra employee in Adelaide. The white kookas keep the business afloat. Basically every white ball in all men's and women's professional comps are kookaburra. Each ball wholesales for 100 AUD. Now think about every game around the world, every t20 and limited overs comp and every practice session and every box of replacement balls and then wonder what sorts of negotiations take place when an association contemplates changing the ball supplier.
Apparently the dukes factory and the kookaburra factory are 200 metres apart from each other...
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Well India scored fuck all ( with Joe Root taking 5 for 8. ?!?! ) luckily for them England got even less and got hammered. They say a fast game is a good game but holy shit, this was over in two days !
What does this latest result mean for the championship?
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@rapido Yeah, I think you’re right about England’s selection and if I’m honest with myself, I did worry a little about the bowling line up from the get go.
Not sure you’re so spot on about pitch reporting though. If enough wickets fall in a day a pitch is automatically reported though that in itself doesn’t mean much. The investigation and result of the report is the thing.
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The pitch looked poor from the very start. But, England were so blinded by "pink ball, day-night test" that they got their bowling selections and bowling changes badly wrong. The likes of Crawley and Bairstow were playing so far down the wrong line that it didn't matter whether it was a dustbowl or concrete...
