Hurricanes 2021
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@kpkanz in response to your comments on Jordie. We are talking about fullback not wing. Jordie was the better fullback last year so judging him as a winger is stupid - he just doesn’t have the pace. His height, size and kicking game are suited to 15. Go and watch some of his highlights for the Canes last year, he was fucking brilliant and would have lead most of the stats if he didn’t miss those first two rounds.
He’s a totally different to players like Jordan and Ben Smith who are able to move to the right or left wing as they have the pace to do so.
If you think Jordan and Jordie are like for like then ask Jordan to kick a 60m shot at goal.
Go and watch some of his highlights for the Canes last year, he was fucking brilliant and would have lead most of the stats if he didn’t miss those first two rounds.I kept track of the stats and thats not true at all. Jordie had more carries than Jordan throughout the season and was way down on every attacking stat and it wasnt even close. Jordan was either 1st or 2nd in metres made/defenders beaten/tries. Jordie wasnt close in ANY attacking category (wasnt in the top 10 for pretty much all of them) yet had more carries than Jordan throughout the season.
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Honestly speaking, there really isn't much in terms of good cattle ready to come and help out areas of weakness in the Canes right now, is there? Some good midfield talent, which they don't really need, and players most people have never heard of at lock and in the halves.
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Parsons reckons Jules has thrusted himself into AB's contention
Hes playing well enough. Esp playing in a poorly functioning team
Heres athe Canes rating
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/hurricanes-player-ratings-vs-crusaders-super-rugby-aotearoa/
It does highlight a few players that need to be looked at. Goosen looks a shadow of his form last year (time to start Rayasi). Armstrong is not up to much (and never really was). Maybe time to start Numia with an exception to allow more HB players in the team as the replacement LH. Prinsep was awful. Last year he was adequate but this game he wasn't even close to adequate. Yet with a good replacement in the reserves was keep on for 64 minutes. Coaches weren't rated but really deserve a minus 10 rating. They are hopeless
I also thought Luke Campbell made a difference when he came on and would start him next game. And I wonder how Roigard is going as a potential replacement
They team is playing poor rugby. The starting selections are poor. Replacement timing are terrible. But the hopeless Chiefs next just to see how bad the team is this year. Like bottom bad or not quite
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Hes playing well enough. Esp playing in a poorly functioning team
Heres athe Canes rating
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/hurricanes-player-ratings-vs-crusaders-super-rugby-aotearoa/
It does highlight a few players that need to be looked at. Goosen looks a shadow of his form last year (time to start Rayasi). Armstrong is not up to much (and never really was). Maybe time to start Numia with an exception to allow more HB players in the team as the replacement LH. Prinsep was awful. Last year he was adequate but this game he wasn't even close to adequate. Yet with a good replacement in the reserves was keep on for 64 minutes. Coaches weren't rated but really deserve a minus 10 rating. They are hopeless
I also thought Luke Campbell made a difference when he came on and would start him next game. And I wonder how Roigard is going as a potential replacement
They team is playing poor rugby. The starting selections are poor. Replacement timing are terrible. But the hopeless Chiefs next just to see how bad the team is this year. Like bottom bad or not quite
@winger said in Hurricanes 2021:
Hes playing well enough. Esp playing in a poorly functioning team
For an AB spot? I cannot agree. He's certainly in good nick and playing better than he was in 2020 Mitre 10 Cup but he clearly lacks the explosiveness/speed when you compare him to Clarke, Nareki, Fainga'anuku, Reece etc. Heck even Rayasi in 15 minutes on the field showed more.
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@winger said in Hurricanes 2021:
Hes playing well enough. Esp playing in a poorly functioning team
For an AB spot? I cannot agree. He's certainly in good nick and playing better than he was in 2020 Mitre 10 Cup but he clearly lacks the explosiveness/speed when you compare him to Clarke, Nareki, Fainga'anuku, Reece etc. Heck even Rayasi in 15 minutes on the field showed more.
@kiwimurph said in Hurricanes 2021:
@winger said in Hurricanes 2021:
Hes playing well enough. Esp playing in a poorly functioning team
For an AB spot? I cannot agree. He's certainly in good nick and playing better than he was in 2020 Mitre 10 Cup but he clearly lacks the explosiveness/speed when you compare him to Clarke, Nareki, Fainga'anuku, Reece etc. Heck even Rayasi in 15 minutes on the field showed more.
Totally. He was playing in the centres in the NH, and that is where his body is at now. But had he got the skills to do that at a higher level still, and the mental awareness?
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X-rays this week cleared Aumua of any bone damage, said a relieved Holland. “He’s got nothing broken, but obviously his AC joint is pretty banged up.”
Unless Aumua made a miraculous recovery, Holland expected he would be sidelined for about two weeks which means their home match against the Chiefs on March 20, after this weekend’s bye, would come up too soon.
That provides headaches, with fellow All Blacks hooker Dane Coles still not a guaranteed starter as he makes a measured return from a calf muscle injury.
Ricky Riccitelli came on for Aumua on Sunday, while Wellington duo James O’Reilly and Tyrone Thompson are both in reserve in an area of strength for the 0-2 Hurricanes.
Of Coles, Holland said: “Touch and go whether he’s right for the Chiefs. We’re hoping, but we won’t get too excited. He definitely won’t be right to peel out 50-60 minutes. We’ll play it by ear, hopefully he’s right but if it comes around too quick then we’ll accept that.”
The No 10 jersey will also cause Holland and his assistant coaches some lengthy discussion, with Jackson Garden-Bachop also in doubt for the Chiefs with an achilles tendon injury.
It’s an ongoing problem which saw Garden-Bachop depart at halftime, and fullback Jordie Barrett move to first-five.
On Garden-Bachop. Holland said: “He’s had niggly achilles for a long time and we can manage it normally, but it obviously got pretty inflamed over the first half of that game. The reality with those guys is, with the bye week we give them 4-5 days and see how they rock up on Monday.”
The Hurricanes were awaiting an MRI scan to determine the extent of Garden-Bachop’s injury.
That leaves three options for No 10 should he be ruled out next Saturday: Barrett, Counties-Manukau’s Orbyn Leger and 19-year-old Aidan Morgan, the 2019 New Zealand Secondary Schools’ pivot out of Auckland.
Barrett looks an obvious stop-gap as a key leader and playmaker in the backline, but Holland wasn’t so sure.
Barrett, Leger and Morgan will all run at first-five when training resumes on Thursday. Morgan had impressed the coach, a former Manawatu pivot himself, and the Hurricanes received the required clearance to include him in their squad given he was not yet 20.
Lock Scott Scrafton (ankle) was the other injury worry, but had made good progress and was a chance of being fit for the Chiefs, Holland said.
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X-rays this week cleared Aumua of any bone damage, said a relieved Holland. “He’s got nothing broken, but obviously his AC joint is pretty banged up.”
Unless Aumua made a miraculous recovery, Holland expected he would be sidelined for about two weeks which means their home match against the Chiefs on March 20, after this weekend’s bye, would come up too soon.
That provides headaches, with fellow All Blacks hooker Dane Coles still not a guaranteed starter as he makes a measured return from a calf muscle injury.
Ricky Riccitelli came on for Aumua on Sunday, while Wellington duo James O’Reilly and Tyrone Thompson are both in reserve in an area of strength for the 0-2 Hurricanes.
Of Coles, Holland said: “Touch and go whether he’s right for the Chiefs. We’re hoping, but we won’t get too excited. He definitely won’t be right to peel out 50-60 minutes. We’ll play it by ear, hopefully he’s right but if it comes around too quick then we’ll accept that.”
The No 10 jersey will also cause Holland and his assistant coaches some lengthy discussion, with Jackson Garden-Bachop also in doubt for the Chiefs with an achilles tendon injury.
It’s an ongoing problem which saw Garden-Bachop depart at halftime, and fullback Jordie Barrett move to first-five.
On Garden-Bachop. Holland said: “He’s had niggly achilles for a long time and we can manage it normally, but it obviously got pretty inflamed over the first half of that game. The reality with those guys is, with the bye week we give them 4-5 days and see how they rock up on Monday.”
The Hurricanes were awaiting an MRI scan to determine the extent of Garden-Bachop’s injury.
That leaves three options for No 10 should he be ruled out next Saturday: Barrett, Counties-Manukau’s Orbyn Leger and 19-year-old Aidan Morgan, the 2019 New Zealand Secondary Schools’ pivot out of Auckland.
Barrett looks an obvious stop-gap as a key leader and playmaker in the backline, but Holland wasn’t so sure.
Barrett, Leger and Morgan will all run at first-five when training resumes on Thursday. Morgan had impressed the coach, a former Manawatu pivot himself, and the Hurricanes received the required clearance to include him in their squad given he was not yet 20.
Lock Scott Scrafton (ankle) was the other injury worry, but had made good progress and was a chance of being fit for the Chiefs, Holland said.
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@stargazer Aumua is a big loss. JGB not so much but not having a 10 is obviously an issue.
@yeetyaah Not having a 10 happens when you're shit at talent indentification, recruitment and development.
There's a good NPC 10 working on a Hawke's Bay building site, who's training for the club rugby competition. :man_facepalming_medium-dark_skin_tone: If only they'd invested in him the last 2 years like they've done with some Wellington schoolboys over the years (remember TJ Va'a?) ...
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@yeetyaah Not having a 10 happens when you're shit at talent indentification, recruitment and development.
There's a good NPC 10 working on a Hawke's Bay building site, who's training for the club rugby competition. :man_facepalming_medium-dark_skin_tone: If only they'd invested in him the last 2 years like they've done with some Wellington schoolboys over the years (remember TJ Va'a?) ...
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@stargazer yeah I do remember Va'a. What ever happened to him?
@yeetyaah I know that, after he lost his Hurricanes contract (during which he was injured most of the time and he never played for them), he played club rugby for Wainuiomata and then went to Australia (not sure when he left). He played some club rugby for Wainuimata again, last year, but that may have had to do with COVID. Not sure where he is now.
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@yeetyaah Not having a 10 happens when you're shit at talent indentification, recruitment and development.
There's a good NPC 10 working on a Hawke's Bay building site, who's training for the club rugby competition. :man_facepalming_medium-dark_skin_tone: If only they'd invested in him the last 2 years like they've done with some Wellington schoolboys over the years (remember TJ Va'a?) ...
@stargazer said in Hurricanes 2021:
Not having a 10 happens when you're shit at talent indentification, recruitment and development.
Agree. They have lost a first 2. JGB has an injury issue. And Love seesm to be out. But both Morgan and Love were played at FB in the next level game. So they've had 2 games to decide on another option to Barrett. Yet they now want to decide during training FFS. Including Leger. my view is if they have doubts about Leger then give it to Barrett. And use training to get him ready.
Forget Morgan. He only 19. And hes not an impressive physical specimen for his age (1.72cm etc). I thought he looked ordinary for Wellington last year. Totally unimpressed (opposite with Love). But coaches seem to like short players. Maybe if he can put on weight hes another lock option
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O Ledger and S Cruden were the stating first five in the Hunters v Hurricanes Regional XV a couple of weeks back so logic seems to indicate that one of those should be the next in line for the first five position. Sadly the words logic and the Hurricanes selectors do not belong in the same sentence so they will probably go with some pet Wellington project like A Morgan or C Harkin!
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@yeetyaah I know that, after he lost his Hurricanes contract (during which he was injured most of the time and he never played for them), he played club rugby for Wainuiomata and then went to Australia (not sure when he left). He played some club rugby for Wainuimata again, last year, but that may have had to do with COVID. Not sure where he is now.
@stargazer He’s still floating around our club here in Wainuiomata...
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@kiwimurph said in Hurricanes 2021:
@winger said in Hurricanes 2021:
Hes playing well enough. Esp playing in a poorly functioning team
For an AB spot? I cannot agree. He's certainly in good nick and playing better than he was in 2020 Mitre 10 Cup but he clearly lacks the explosiveness/speed when you compare him to Clarke, Nareki, Fainga'anuku, Reece etc. Heck even Rayasi in 15 minutes on the field showed more.
Totally. He was playing in the centres in the NH, and that is where his body is at now. But had he got the skills to do that at a higher level still, and the mental awareness?
@machpants said in Hurricanes 2021:
@kiwimurph said in Hurricanes 2021:
@winger said in Hurricanes 2021:
Hes playing well enough. Esp playing in a poorly functioning team
For an AB spot? I cannot agree. He's certainly in good nick and playing better than he was in 2020 Mitre 10 Cup but he clearly lacks the explosiveness/speed when you compare him to Clarke, Nareki, Fainga'anuku, Reece etc. Heck even Rayasi in 15 minutes on the field showed more.
Totally. He was playing in the centres in the NH, and that is where his body is at now. But had he got the skills to do that at a higher level still, and the mental awareness?
Big winger who slows down a bit but sees his future in the midfield ?
Yeah, no fucken chance.....
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@machpants said in Hurricanes 2021:
@kiwimurph said in Hurricanes 2021:
@winger said in Hurricanes 2021:
Hes playing well enough. Esp playing in a poorly functioning team
For an AB spot? I cannot agree. He's certainly in good nick and playing better than he was in 2020 Mitre 10 Cup but he clearly lacks the explosiveness/speed when you compare him to Clarke, Nareki, Fainga'anuku, Reece etc. Heck even Rayasi in 15 minutes on the field showed more.
Totally. He was playing in the centres in the NH, and that is where his body is at now. But had he got the skills to do that at a higher level still, and the mental awareness?
Big winger who slows down a bit but sees his future in the midfield ?
Yeah, no fucken chance.....
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@mn5 I was totally thinking of Tana, and that's what he played in NH. But has Savea got the nous and skills that Tana developed? I don't think so
