Americas Cup
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7 seconds by the end, one more leg and it could have been interesting
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Couple of sloppy gybes was the margin of victory.
That's as close as we've seen to date to a team losing the start but winning the race.
That last upwind leg was fantastic. Proper racing.
So the pundits predict that today was sort of the crossover zone between Prada (light) and TNZ's (heavier winds) suggested areas of strength.
Hasn't really told us much other than it shouldn't be a walk over.
You have to imagine TNZ have more improvement in them than LR.
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Couple of sloppy gybes was the margin of victory.
That's as close as we've seen to date to a team losing the start but winning the race.
That last upwind leg was fantastic. Proper racing.
So the pundits predict that today was sort of the crossover zone between Prada (light) and TNZ's (heavier winds) suggested areas of strength.
Hasn't really told us much other than it shouldn't be a walk over.
You have to imagine TNZ have more improvement in them than LR.
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@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@machpants said in Americas Cup:
Well TNZ lost the start, can we disprove the winning of the start is the winning of the race theory? If no team totally fucks up, I mean
They lost the start? They weren't in complete control for sure, but here wasn't a lot in it and they did get over the line ahead with better speed. I'd call that a win.
Race 2? Team NZ lost the start.
@kiwimurph said in Americas Cup:
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@machpants said in Americas Cup:
Well TNZ lost the start, can we disprove the winning of the start is the winning of the race theory? If no team totally fucks up, I mean
They lost the start? They weren't in complete control for sure, but here wasn't a lot in it and they did get over the line ahead with better speed. I'd call that a win.
Race 2? Team NZ lost the start.
Yeah we got crossed races there as I was on a slight delay. Race one to us race two to them at the start.
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Well TNZ lost the start, can we disprove the winning of the start is the winning of the race theory? If no team totally fucks up, I mean
@machpants said in Americas Cup:
can we disprove the winning of the start is the winning of the race theory? If no team totally fucks up, I mean
It's not looking very likely which is a shame.
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Went to meet a couple of mates in the CBD for a beer, holy shit has anyone seen the cost of parking in the city these days ?
Anyway I digress, after yarning with some randoms I’m pretty much a yachting expert. Talk about exciting stuff, it’s like Horse racing except good.
If there’s a bandwagon I’m signing up.
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Went to meet a couple of mates in the CBD for a beer, holy shit has anyone seen the cost of parking in the city these days ?
Anyway I digress, after yarning with some randoms I’m pretty much a yachting expert. Talk about exciting stuff, it’s like Horse racing except good.
If there’s a bandwagon I’m signing up.
@mn5 said in Americas Cup:
Went to meet a couple of mates in the CBD for a beer, holy shit has anyone seen the cost of parking in the city these days ?
Anyway I digress, after yarning with some randoms I’m pretty much a yachting expert. Talk about exciting stuff, it’s like Horse racing except good.
If there’s a bandwagon I’m signing up.
I was thinking this earlier this afternoon... has any sport ever been better at turning millions of people from completely ignorant into sudden pub-experts so quickly?
Everyone's so fucking quick to jump in to prove that they know what VMG means, and talk about minimising tacks, and how foiling works, with extravagant hand gestures and shit.
Not realising it's all WWF/WWE style “sports entertainment” for grown-ups. Really... sailing faster than the wind... the driving force. Fucking idiot-sheeple. -
@mn5 said in Americas Cup:
Went to meet a couple of mates in the CBD for a beer, holy shit has anyone seen the cost of parking in the city these days ?
Anyway I digress, after yarning with some randoms I’m pretty much a yachting expert. Talk about exciting stuff, it’s like Horse racing except good.
If there’s a bandwagon I’m signing up.
I was thinking this earlier this afternoon... has any sport ever been better at turning millions of people from completely ignorant into sudden pub-experts so quickly?
Everyone's so fucking quick to jump in to prove that they know what VMG means, and talk about minimising tacks, and how foiling works, with extravagant hand gestures and shit.
Not realising it's all WWF/WWE style “sports entertainment” for grown-ups. Really... sailing faster than the wind... the driving force. Fucking idiot-sheeple.@kruse said in Americas Cup:
Really... sailing faster than the wind... the driving force. Fucking idiot-sheeple.
haha we were talking about this (again) today while watching race 1 at work.
I understand the concept of how it works the same way I understand the concept of time travel, it can be possible, but, yeah, nah!
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Can someone who actually knows about this sailing stuff explain why the boat entering the start at a disadvantage doesn’t just go and do their own thing on the other side? Sure the first boat gets give way advantage but you could be steaming at the line full tit on opposite tack and make them do a move to cover.
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@mn5 said in Americas Cup:
Anyway I digress, after yarning with some randoms I’m pretty much a yachting expert.
It's amazing how you get to 2021 and it turns out that everyone got more than 80% in School Cert. Science - or if they didn't they were fucking ripped off!
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Can someone who actually knows about this sailing stuff explain why the boat entering the start at a disadvantage doesn’t just go and do their own thing on the other side? Sure the first boat gets give way advantage but you could be steaming at the line full tit on opposite tack and make them do a move to cover.
@crucial said in Americas Cup:
Can someone who actually knows about this sailing stuff explain why the boat entering the start at a disadvantage doesn’t just go and do their own thing on the other side? Sure the first boat gets give way advantage but you could be steaming at the line full tit on opposite tack and make them do a move to cover.
Not a sailer, but I THINK the wind generally tends to favour one side or other, so both teams want to race on the 'good' side. Position themselves accordingly at start.
But if wind fairly mixed can’t see the boat behind wouldn’t try it.
Just a theory though!
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Rich ponces versus lawyers. Yawn
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@crucial said in Americas Cup:
Can someone who actually knows about this sailing stuff explain why the boat entering the start at a disadvantage doesn’t just go and do their own thing on the other side? Sure the first boat gets give way advantage but you could be steaming at the line full tit on opposite tack and make them do a move to cover.
Not a sailer, but I THINK the wind generally tends to favour one side or other, so both teams want to race on the 'good' side. Position themselves accordingly at start.
But if wind fairly mixed can’t see the boat behind wouldn’t try it.
Just a theory though!
@pakman said in Americas Cup:
@crucial said in Americas Cup:
Can someone who actually knows about this sailing stuff explain why the boat entering the start at a disadvantage doesn’t just go and do their own thing on the other side? Sure the first boat gets give way advantage but you could be steaming at the line full tit on opposite tack and make them do a move to cover.
Not a sailer, but I THINK the wind generally tends to favour one side or other, so both teams want to race on the 'good' side. Position themselves accordingly at start.
But if wind fairly mixed can’t see the boat behind wouldn’t try it.
Just a theory though!
They always go to the same side though. I get that you are trying to force the other boat into a position but it rarely happens.
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IIRC, if you include the pre-Christmas racing there were a few instances where the boat not winning the start won the race, however since the challenger series, winning the start has been the winning of the race hasnt it?
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IIRC, if you include the pre-Christmas racing there were a few instances where the boat not winning the start won the race, however since the challenger series, winning the start has been the winning of the race hasnt it?
@taniwharugby said in Americas Cup:
IIRC, if you include the pre-Christmas racing there were a few instances where the boat not winning the start won the race, however since the challenger series, winning the start has been the winning of the race hasnt it?
I think those early wins by the trailing boat were due to fuckups by the team on the leading boat where they executed a maneuver poorly or where there was a significant wind shift, particularly in the lighter conditions where some boats just couldn't get up on the foils
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Tamaki Strait course is going to reinforce the win the start win the race phenomenon as the wind is less flukey and / or affected by landmass.
Once we move to Level 1 and back on to the stadia courses we may see some lead changes.
I don't think we can read anything into yesterday's racing. Wind wasn't of a range that was expected to favour either boat. Both teams made minor mistakes that meant they lost the start. Both leaders probably sailed within themselves.
As someone who has never been above 18 knots in a yacht and that was surfing down the face of a big wave the fact that they get to over 50 still blows me away. I saw a Toyota outside TNZ HQ at the weekend with a sticker that said sailing an AC75 is like driving this ute down the motorway at 95kph with the windows down - in the rain. I reckon that is a massive understatement
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@mn5 said in Americas Cup:
Anyway I digress, after yarning with some randoms I’m pretty much a yachting expert.
It's amazing how you get to 2021 and it turns out that everyone got more than 80% in School Cert. Science - or if they didn't they were fucking ripped off!
@chris-b said in Americas Cup:
@mn5 said in Americas Cup:
Anyway I digress, after yarning with some randoms I’m pretty much a yachting expert.
It's amazing how you get to 2021 and it turns out that everyone got more than 80% in School Cert. Science - or if they didn't they were fucking ripped off!
I didn’t and I wasn’t. Like Maths I was strongly encouraged to give up Science after a pitiful School C result, I think it was the one subject I failed
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@pakman said in Americas Cup:
@crucial said in Americas Cup:
Can someone who actually knows about this sailing stuff explain why the boat entering the start at a disadvantage doesn’t just go and do their own thing on the other side? Sure the first boat gets give way advantage but you could be steaming at the line full tit on opposite tack and make them do a move to cover.
Not a sailer, but I THINK the wind generally tends to favour one side or other, so both teams want to race on the 'good' side. Position themselves accordingly at start.
But if wind fairly mixed can’t see the boat behind wouldn’t try it.
Just a theory though!
They always go to the same side though. I get that you are trying to force the other boat into a position but it rarely happens.
I just thought that all these newly forged experts would know.@crucial said in Americas Cup:
@pakman said in Americas Cup:
@crucial said in Americas Cup:
Can someone who actually knows about this sailing stuff explain why the boat entering the start at a disadvantage doesn’t just go and do their own thing on the other side? Sure the first boat gets give way advantage but you could be steaming at the line full tit on opposite tack and make them do a move to cover.
Not a sailer, but I THINK the wind generally tends to favour one side or other, so both teams want to race on the 'good' side. Position themselves accordingly at start.
But if wind fairly mixed can’t see the boat behind wouldn’t try it.
Just a theory though!
They always go to the same side though. I get that you are trying to force the other boat into a position but it rarely happens.
I just thought that all these newly forged experts would know.they do split pretty often but its a real case of which is worse, the weak side of the course or sail in dirty wind and have your movements dictated, and the decision will depend on how weak the other side is or how well the Opposition is tacking on top
we saw yesterday ENTZ sailed in the dirty air for much longer you might normally just because LR tacked a touch too early (seconds) and so weren't right on top, if they had nailed it ETNZ would more than likely have tacked off to the other side.
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For most of races it seemed LR was gaining a little each tack, but at end seemed ENZ had reversed that.
Not sure what, if anything, can be taken out of that.
