Americas Cup
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy im not saying the sailors should like it, just the spectators might
I was making a broad assumption that the people that are into sailing, whether watching it, or competing, want it to be fair, not games of chance. Race directors seem to have a similar view.
Maybe their are millions out there who are watching lotto without actually having a ticket. It's not a really interesting interesting spectator sport without some contest of abilities from the balls. Oooh, will it be 32 doesn't grab me unless 32 has put in some effort.
Do you see the point? It isn't good from anyone's perspective when things are TOO skewed. As an extreme, a 180deg wind change just destroys a contest for obvious reasons.
@snowy surely you realise that there is a huge percent of people currently watching that have never been in a sailboat and will forget about the whole thing until the next time around
i saw a HUGE bump in posts/comments/articles after the race where we both dropped off the foils...people loved it, loved seeing how the teams dealt with an issue they could actually see
i understand what your saying but you must realise there are lots of different people that enjoy different aspects
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looks a bit light out there althought you can see why they thought course A was a good choice
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
looks a bit light out there althought you can see why they thought course A was a good choice
Been in meetings all day so not seen much of chat or reports but doubt there will be racing today. Winds likely to drop even further
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@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
yes, famously people become addicted to games of chance
There are words for those people. Not usually "highly trained sportspeople".
In sports / contests I prefer the skill and aptitude of the contestants to, well, contest.
Not a fluke - which is a sailing term for irregularity of the wind and also the more common meaning of something happening by chance.I get your point, but you wording is unfortunate seeing as problem gambling is an enormous problem among professional sportspeople
@mariner4life said in Americas Cup:
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
yes, famously people become addicted to games of chance
There are words for those people. Not usually "highly trained sportspeople".
In sports / contests I prefer the skill and aptitude of the contestants to, well, contest.
Not a fluke - which is a sailing term for irregularity of the wind and also the more common meaning of something happening by chance.I get your point, but you wording is unfortunate seeing as problem gambling is an enormous problem among professional sportspeople
Yes it is a problem, and I am aware of it. I have a family member that tries to help people with problem gambling.
Completely irrelevant to sailing and games of chance. Gambling has all levels and skills to predict an outcome. I don't want this sailing to become a roll of the dice because it removes the skill of the sailors, not enhances it. A "what might happen next" because the weather has changed might appeal to some, like "can he roll a 2" but not for me.
The point remains though these guys want to compete on a fair course.
Remember they aren't allowed the spotter boats scattered around the course anymore to tell them what is happening. They are looking, guessing, albeit educated, and hoping. I think they get the tech info from the marks and what is on the boat obviously but that is it.
Aiming sports solely at fans who want a random result really doesn't enhance things for those with more than a passing interest.
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@snowy surely you realise that there is a huge percent of people currently watching that have never been in a sailboat and will forget about the whole thing until the next time around
i saw a HUGE bump in posts/comments/articles after the race where we both dropped off the foils...people loved it, loved seeing how the teams dealt with an issue they could actually see
i understand what your saying but you must realise there are lots of different people that enjoy different aspects
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy surely you realise that there is a huge percent of people currently watching that have never been in a sailboat and will forget about the whole thing until the next time around
Yes, of course.
Should we change the laws of rugby for those that only watch the RWC because they don't understand the game?
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy surely you realise that there is a huge percent of people currently watching that have never been in a sailboat and will forget about the whole thing until the next time around
Yes, of course.
Should we change the laws of rugby for those that only watch the RWC because they don't understand the game?
@snowy rules get changed all time to make it more enjoyable to watch, amongst other things and attracting more/new fan is often a big focus of lots of sports, and the rules for the AC get reviewed changes every time
you seem to have bristled to my reply, i havent actually said they should change the rules, i just pointed out the way you explained it actually made it sounds really interesting/challenging
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy surely you realise that there is a huge percent of people currently watching that have never been in a sailboat and will forget about the whole thing until the next time around
Yes, of course.
Should we change the laws of rugby for those that only watch the RWC because they don't understand the game?
@snowy please burn that post with fire before 2021 hears you and we get the next brainless announcement from world rugby!
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy once again, as a spectator...thats sounds really interesting to watch, interesting weather forcing mistakes and the sailors having to handle different things, going up and down at full speed with one leg indistinguishable from another is the boring stuff people have been talking about
Do you enjoy dice games?
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy once again, as a spectator...thats sounds really interesting to watch, interesting weather forcing mistakes and the sailors having to handle different things, going up and down at full speed with one leg indistinguishable from another is the boring stuff people have been talking about
Do you enjoy dice games?
I'm with @Kiwiwomble here. Why is having to take the conditions and course into account any different that say golf? Or F1 for that matter?
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@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy once again, as a spectator...thats sounds really interesting to watch, interesting weather forcing mistakes and the sailors having to handle different things, going up and down at full speed with one leg indistinguishable from another is the boring stuff people have been talking about
Do you enjoy dice games?
I'm with @Kiwiwomble here. Why is having to take the conditions and course into account any different that say golf? Or F1 for that matter?
@jc said in Americas Cup:
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy once again, as a spectator...thats sounds really interesting to watch, interesting weather forcing mistakes and the sailors having to handle different things, going up and down at full speed with one leg indistinguishable from another is the boring stuff people have been talking about
Do you enjoy dice games?
I'm with @Kiwiwomble here. Why is having to take the conditions and course into account any different that say golf? Or F1 for that matter?
Like cricket in the rain then? Would be an interesting watch as long as ya had an umbrella
Btw, I obviously haven't read all those recent posts above. Had a quick skim and not exactly sure what was/is going on
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@jc said in Americas Cup:
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy once again, as a spectator...thats sounds really interesting to watch, interesting weather forcing mistakes and the sailors having to handle different things, going up and down at full speed with one leg indistinguishable from another is the boring stuff people have been talking about
Do you enjoy dice games?
I'm with @Kiwiwomble here. Why is having to take the conditions and course into account any different that say golf? Or F1 for that matter?
Like cricket in the rain then? Would be an interesting watch as long as ya had an umbrella
Btw, I obviously haven't read all those recent posts above. Had a quick skim and not exactly sure what was/is going on
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@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy once again, as a spectator...thats sounds really interesting to watch, interesting weather forcing mistakes and the sailors having to handle different things, going up and down at full speed with one leg indistinguishable from another is the boring stuff people have been talking about
Do you enjoy dice games?
I'm with @Kiwiwomble here. Why is having to take the conditions and course into account any different that say golf? Or F1 for that matter?
@jc said in Americas Cup:
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy once again, as a spectator...thats sounds really interesting to watch, interesting weather forcing mistakes and the sailors having to handle different things, going up and down at full speed with one leg indistinguishable from another is the boring stuff people have been talking about
Do you enjoy dice games?
I'm with @Kiwiwomble here. Why is having to take the conditions and course into account any different that say golf? Or F1 for that matter?
or rugby when its blowing a gale? scrap the kicking game for a half and keep the ball in hand whist the other team can pin you into a corner
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@jc said in Americas Cup:
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy once again, as a spectator...thats sounds really interesting to watch, interesting weather forcing mistakes and the sailors having to handle different things, going up and down at full speed with one leg indistinguishable from another is the boring stuff people have been talking about
Do you enjoy dice games?
I'm with @Kiwiwomble here. Why is having to take the conditions and course into account any different that say golf? Or F1 for that matter?
or rugby when its blowing a gale? scrap the kicking game for a half and keep the ball in hand whist the other team can pin you into a corner
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@jc said in Americas Cup:
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy once again, as a spectator...thats sounds really interesting to watch, interesting weather forcing mistakes and the sailors having to handle different things, going up and down at full speed with one leg indistinguishable from another is the boring stuff people have been talking about
Do you enjoy dice games?
I'm with @Kiwiwomble here. Why is having to take the conditions and course into account any different that say golf? Or F1 for that matter?
or rugby when its blowing a gale? scrap the kicking game for a half and keep the ball in hand whist the other team can pin you into a corner
Then the wind dies at half-time and you get double fucked
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@jc said in Americas Cup:
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy once again, as a spectator...thats sounds really interesting to watch, interesting weather forcing mistakes and the sailors having to handle different things, going up and down at full speed with one leg indistinguishable from another is the boring stuff people have been talking about
Do you enjoy dice games?
I'm with @Kiwiwomble here. Why is having to take the conditions and course into account any different that say golf? Or F1 for that matter?
or rugby when its blowing a gale? scrap the kicking game for a half and keep the ball in hand whist the other team can pin you into a corner
Then the wind dies at half-time and you get double fucked
@mariner4life said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@jc said in Americas Cup:
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy once again, as a spectator...thats sounds really interesting to watch, interesting weather forcing mistakes and the sailors having to handle different things, going up and down at full speed with one leg indistinguishable from another is the boring stuff people have been talking about
Do you enjoy dice games?
I'm with @Kiwiwomble here. Why is having to take the conditions and course into account any different that say golf? Or F1 for that matter?
or rugby when its blowing a gale? scrap the kicking game for a half and keep the ball in hand whist the other team can pin you into a corner
Then the wind dies at half-time and you get double fucked
or it starts raining while you're 15 down and need to score tries...
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@jk snowy thinks all rugby should be played in doors
@mariner4life said in Americas Cup:
@jk snowy thinks all rugby should be played in doors
No. I don't think every leg of a yacht race should be a reach, and they should actually have to maneuver, and the reasons for the course layouts and weather conditions are sound, and have history for those reasons.
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@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@snowy once again, as a spectator...thats sounds really interesting to watch, interesting weather forcing mistakes and the sailors having to handle different things, going up and down at full speed with one leg indistinguishable from another is the boring stuff people have been talking about
Do you enjoy dice games?
I'm with @Kiwiwomble here. Why is having to take the conditions and course into account any different that say golf? Or F1 for that matter?
@jc said in Americas Cup:
I'm with @Kiwiwomble here. Why is having to take the conditions and course into account any different that say golf? Or F1 for that matter?
Because it has a dramatic effect on the event. It is the layout of the course and the wind conditions that create the contest, that is why they cancel, postpone and abandon them if things aren't right.
F1 gets called off if the weather doesn't play nicely. Golf for lightning, etc.
Sailing just has more marginal parameters. Particularly for these boats.
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I'm with @Snowy. It's not like playing a footy game in the rain, or if the wind gets up. At least then the conditions are similar for both teams and you can enjoy seeing who best adapts.
It's like playing a game of footy where bear traps randomly open and close swallowing up players. Sure it could interest some people but it would complete render the contest meaningless as a game of rugby and leave it purely to chance who would come out on top. Not how you'd want to decide the RWC - or any game for that matter
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seeing kick off has been delayed
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kiwis should know better than to start celebrating too early
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
kiwis should know better than to start celebrating too early
Imagine if they lost it from here
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
kiwis should know better than to start celebrating too early
Imagine if they lost it from here
@booboo he probably get a better price for the winning boat
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
kiwis should know better than to start celebrating too early
Imagine if they lost it from here
@booboo said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
kiwis should know better than to start celebrating too early
Imagine if they lost it from here
I remember listening to some coverage, LR were rumoured to have got Ernesto Bertarelli (Alinghi) lined up as CoR if they win. Apparently he contacted TNZ to see if there were interested in selling their first boat. I'm sure Grant's answer was
