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Dunno how act crusader came into that last reply...it’s all mine
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Biggest choke since The Boston Strangler
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Now Genge thinks it's tough to talk smack to Sexton and continue on even after the ref told him to calm down. What a mong.
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
Now Genge thinks it's tough to talk smack to Sexton and continue on even after the ref told him to calm down. What a mong.
Was that just after this bit of MMA?
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Welsh discipline went to absolute shit in the last 15 minutes. 14 penalties were the killer.
Ollivon immense for France.
@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
Welsh discipline went to absolute shit in the last 15 minutes. 14 penalties were the killer.
Ollivon immense for France.
I was not expecting that. I was quite prepared for the idea that we might lose because France just outplayed us, but not this way. Discipline has been such a strong point for Wales for a long time, so to see it unravelling was quite a shock.
Hard to take as a fan. Can only imagine the mood in the team right now.
But credit to France, epic game, and they kept on coming and asking the questions.
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@bones said in NH International Rugby:
Now Genge thinks it's tough to talk smack to Sexton and continue on even after the ref told him to calm down. What a mong.
Was that just after this bit of MMA?
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So....just me that's worried what tech the TMOs are being given to watch replays on?
Barnes calls the Rees-Zammit try attempt as grounded against the base of the corner flag, when it appears clear it's grounded on the dead ball line past the flag. I also thought it was clear that France held up the Welsh player for the other call too.
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So....just me that's worried what tech the TMOs are being given to watch replays on?
Barnes calls the Rees-Zammit try attempt as grounded against the base of the corner flag, when it appears clear it's grounded on the dead ball line past the flag. I also thought it was clear that France held up the Welsh player for the other call too.
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
So....just me that's worried what tech the TMOs are being given to watch replays on?
Barnes calls the Rees-Zammit try attempt as grounded against the base of the corner flag, when it appears clear it's grounded on the dead ball line past the flag. I also thought it was clear that France held up the Welsh player for the other call too.
I think with the second one you're referring to, the on field call was try, so they needed conclusive proof that it never touched the ground.
To me it wasn't clear - I couldn't see a grounding, but couldn't be sure it wasn't grounded. So TMO has to stick with on field call either way.
Then again, my tech is pretty low quality and is sometimes prone to a severe welsh bias, so your may be better
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@bones said in NH International Rugby:
So....just me that's worried what tech the TMOs are being given to watch replays on?
Barnes calls the Rees-Zammit try attempt as grounded against the base of the corner flag, when it appears clear it's grounded on the dead ball line past the flag. I also thought it was clear that France held up the Welsh player for the other call too.
I think with the second one you're referring to, the on field call was try, so they needed conclusive proof that it never touched the ground.
To me it wasn't clear - I couldn't see a grounding, but couldn't be sure it wasn't grounded. So TMO has to stick with on field call either way.
Then again, my tech is pretty low quality and is sometimes prone to a severe welsh bias, so your may be better
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@gibbonrib yeah, however isn't never seeing it grounded, a reason for no try? France hand under it.
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@gibbonrib yeah, however isn't never seeing it grounded, a reason for no try? France hand under it.
Ref called try. TMOhad to see that it clearly wasn’t not probably wasn’t.
Opposite to the one where the ref choked on a probable try and the TMO couldn’t see clear evidence due to legs in the way.
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@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@gibbonrib yeah, however isn't never seeing it grounded, a reason for no try? France hand under it.
Ref called try. TMOhad to see that it clearly wasn’t not probably wasn’t.
Opposite to the one where the ref choked on a probable try and the TMO couldn’t see clear evidence due to legs in the way.
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@crucial again, I thought it was clear. Clearly never saw it on the ground. France held it up.
@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@crucial again, I thought it was clear. Clearly never saw it on the ground. France held it up.
You seem to misunderstand. Clearly not seeing something is not clearly seeing something.
The TMO has to clearly see that the ball never grazed the grass because the ref called a try.
If the ref calls no try the TMO has to clearly see the ball graze the grass.
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@bones said in NH International Rugby:
@crucial again, I thought it was clear. Clearly never saw it on the ground. France held it up.
You seem to misunderstand. Clearly not seeing something is not clearly seeing something.
The TMO has to clearly see that the ball never grazed the grass because the ref called a try.
If the ref calls no try the TMO has to clearly see the ball graze the grass.
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Def yellow though, shoulder to chin, but degree of danger low. O'Aki should have gone lower. Same as rucks, just cos you can't roll away doesn't make it not a penalty, don't put yourself there
@machpants said in NH International Rugby:
Def yellow though, shoulder to chin, but degree of danger low. O'Aki should have gone lower. Same as rucks, just cos you can't roll away doesn't make it not a penalty, don't put yourself there
I agree it was a card under the current framework, but difficult to see what a tackler is supposed to do when an attacking player leads head first basically at horizontal like Billy did - how do you not make contact with the head there (saying nothing about force, though)?
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@machpants said in NH International Rugby:
Def yellow though, shoulder to chin, but degree of danger low. O'Aki should have gone lower. Same as rucks, just cos you can't roll away doesn't make it not a penalty, don't put yourself there
I agree it was a card under the current framework, but difficult to see what a tackler is supposed to do when an attacking player leads head first basically at horizontal like Billy did - how do you not make contact with the head there (saying nothing about force, though)?
@junior as always, you're a pro player, don't be there. Taking it to ridiculous extremes, if the only way you can stop a try being scored is to kick the person in the head, do you do it? If you can't take within the laws, don't tackle. I liked it cos it takes interpretation out. Can't roll away? Tough shit, make your tackle completion so you end on the correct side. Can't get low enough to tackle without head contact? Pull out of the tackle
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@junior as always, you're a pro player, don't be there. Taking it to ridiculous extremes, if the only way you can stop a try being scored is to kick the person in the head, do you do it? If you can't take within the laws, don't tackle. I liked it cos it takes interpretation out. Can't roll away? Tough shit, make your tackle completion so you end on the correct side. Can't get low enough to tackle without head contact? Pull out of the tackle
@machpants you make it sound so easy.
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@machpants said in NH International Rugby:
Def yellow though, shoulder to chin, but degree of danger low. O'Aki should have gone lower. Same as rucks, just cos you can't roll away doesn't make it not a penalty, don't put yourself there
I agree it was a card under the current framework, but difficult to see what a tackler is supposed to do when an attacking player leads head first basically at horizontal like Billy did - how do you not make contact with the head there (saying nothing about force, though)?
@junior it does need to be clear cut rather than an interpretation if players are to have a n excuse to the coach for pulling away from a tackle. We often see players driving low and head first at the line to score and tacklers making direct head contact yet that gets ignored unless there is injury or the try isn’t scored.
