Movie review thread...
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I hope no one is really a fan of Batman vs Superman. Taste is subjective but that was a drawn out dirge fest (and I've watched 4+hour Russian films).
Ben Affleck is no Batman, apart, maybe, from his chin. And Irons is wasted, wasted I tell you!
Bring back Ima Thurman in a catsuit. I'd even have Arnie back. But the Batman franchise has just become a bored rich guy in a corset trundling through his basement, pausing to look dejectedly at screencams like he was Robert Smith's fat emo goth-child, and getting dissed by the help. Oh and Batman doesn't do guns. Sorry.
Don't get me started on how Aquaman was so boring they just stole Namor and pretended local people can afford hard liquor in Iceland. Biggest pain there was the love interest though, she must have an agent as good as her divorce lawyer. -
@nostrildamus i think my biggest issue was the title
Batman v. Superman : dawn of justice .....it just not the title to start a whole cinematic universe
I think BvS would have worked better if we had a batman film before so we could see evenly where they were both coming from, a whole film of him being this paranoid hero scared from fighting crime for 20 years
edit: oh, and obviously "Martha", anyone know if thats from the comics, just such a flimsy thing to hang the fate of the planet on
I like Batfleck, im not a huge comic reader but hes one of the closest to how i imagine an older batman, and his lone attack on the dome at the end is one of my fav parts, with these four superpowered people standing watching him go in without them, it was great acting from them you can see on their faces they realise he's willing to die for this, loved it
It is weird now i think about it, i want to see the "synderverse"...and i seem completely willing to ignore things like BvS, reviews range from ok to unwatchable
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@nostrildamus said in Re: Movie review thread...:
I hope no one is really a fan of Batman vs Superman. Taste is subjective but that was a drawn out dirge fest (and I've watched 4+hour Russian films).
Ben Affleck is no Batman, apart, maybe, from his chin. And Irons is wasted, wasted I tell you!
Bring back Ima Thurman in a catsuit. I'd even have Arnie back. But the Batman franchise has just become a bored rich guy in a corset trundling through his basement, pausing to look dejectedly at screencams like he was Robert Smith's fat emo goth-child, and getting dissed by the help. Oh and Batman doesn't do guns. Sorry.
Don't get me started on how Aquaman was so boring they just stole Namor and pretended local people can afford hard liquor in Iceland. Biggest pain there was the love interest though, she must have an agent as good as her divorce lawyer.Batman doesn't use guns? Except for when does;
https://www.cbr.com/batman-gun-use-why/
Even Burtons 1989 Batman used a gatling gun on the Batwing and rocket launchers!
Him upping the violence after being manipulated by Luthor is a key part of the plot. I'm a fan of the Ultimate Cut that includes the key story pieces that WB refused to allow for time.
As for Ben Affleck, he's an excellent Bruce Wayne and Synders take on Batman is the closest we've had to a comic accurate Batman so far. The warehouse scene in BvS is peak Batman.
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@kiwiwomble As I've said before, the Martha scene is clumsily done, but the point is it makes Bruce see Clark as a person instead of an alien monster.
It's the realisation that make him realise how far over the line he's gone over the past 18 months.
Not all the movies are perfect, but these are great comic book movies. Particularly the visuals.
Marvel has the more realistic side covered (Peter Park being poor, and having to work, etc) While DC go over the top all the time.
I remember reading one comic where Superman lived inside the sun for 1000 years and came out all gold and all his powers a million times stronger.
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@kirwan i get it, i do, as you've said i just dont think its well done, i think someone thats so enraged theyre about to kill someone is more likely to temporarily forget their long dead mums name than to immediately snap out of it
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@kiwiwomble said in Re: Movie review thread...:
@kirwan i get it, i do, as you've said i just dont think its well done, i think someone thats so enraged theyre about to kill someone is more likely to temporarily forget their long dead mums name than to immediately snap out of it
Yeah, except his dead parents are the reason why he's Batman. If you are ever going to get Batman to pause, it'll be invoking his parents (particularly as he was having nightmares about their grave)
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@kirwan ok, i thought we're kind of in agreement but apparently no enough
yes, i understand his origin story and 100% agree in a logical argument thats the approach i would take, but he's just have several shades of shit kicked out of him and is in such a red mist he is about to stab a spear into someones chest so hard cutting into a logical argument was a rough juxtaposition for me, what do you feel was poorly done if not that?
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@kiwiwomble said in Re: Movie review thread...:
@kirwan ok, i thought we're kind of in agreement but apparently no enough
yes, i understand his origin story and 100% agree in a logical argument thats the approach i would take, but he's just have several shades of shit kicked out of him and is in such a red mist he is about to stab a spear into someones chest so hard cutting into a logical argument was a rough juxtaposition for me, what do you feel was poorly done if not that?
I think it needed to be Lois saying the name. It's weird for Clark to say Martha instead of my Mother.
Even having Clark say "You are letting them kill my mother" and Lois providing the name, would have been better.
For such a key turning point, it seemed rushed.
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@kirwan that would be great, much better
when i say i though "martha" wasn't good in BvS doesn't mean i dont understand what they were trying to do or the history, i might understand what mansplaining is now
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@kiwiwomble said in Re: Movie review thread...:
@kirwan that would be great, much better
when i say i though "martha" wasn't good in BvS doesn't mean i dont understand what they were trying to do or the history, i might understand what mansplaining is now
I'm only half reading, sorry about that. Have this on screen and fighting a network issue on the other.
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@kirwan i just re watched it, some bits better than i remember, like the flash backs etc....but when hes screeming "why did you say that name" and lois turns up and just says "its his mothers name"...but she wasn't there when he said martha...so she doesnt know what the name was
your right, superman not saying anything and lois turning up a little earlier and begs for his life
LL: Please!
Bat: why should he be spared?
LL: he has to save his Martha!
Bat: Martha?
LL: his mother, martha Kentetc
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@kiwiwomble said in Re: Movie review thread...:
@kirwan i just re watched it, some bits better than i remember, like the flash backs etc....but when hes screeming "why did you say that name" and lois turns up and just says "its his mothers name"...but she wasn't there when he said martha...so she doesnt know what the name was
your right, superman not saying anything and lois turning up a little earlier and begs for his life
LL: Please!
Bat: why should he be spared?
LL: he has to save his Martha!
Bat: Martha?
LL: his mother, martha Kentetc
And while we are fixing this scene, be nice if Lois didn’t throw away the spear.
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@kirwan how brutal is a spear by the way, for a dude known for his gadgets his end game is "stab sharp stick in heart"
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@kiwiwomble said in Re: Movie review thread...:
@kirwan how brutal is a spear by the way, for a dude known for his gadgets his end game is "stab sharp stick in heart"
One of the many Easter Eggs;
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@kirwan thats Lex though isn't it? that i would buy
maybe id be more onboard if we'd had a batman movie that showed how brutal and paranoid this batman was, i know they tried to show that but i still felt i was backfilling with what i thought batman was from other films/cartoons/comics
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@kiwiwomble said in Re: Movie review thread...:
@kirwan thats Lex though isn't it? that i would buy
maybe id be more onboard if we'd had a batman movie that showed how brutal and paranoid this batman was, i know they tried to show that but i still felt i was backfilling with what i thought batman was from other films/cartoons/comics
Have you watched the Ultimate Edition? It fills in a lot of gaps like that
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@kirwan there are multiple universes, or timelines to DC arent there, and therefore different Batman's (or should that be Batmen?) and Superman's/men, so expect there are variances to each character as they have evolved in the timeline?
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@taniwharugby said in Re: Movie review thread...:
@kirwan there are multiple universes, or timelines to DC arent there, and therefore different Batman's (or should that be Batmen?) and Superman's/men, so expect there are variances to each character as they have evolved in the timeline?
Yep, both Marvel and DC are about to lean heavily into that.
It’s possible that there will be a year that we see three Batmen and three Spidermen on the screen at the same time.
