Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
-
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
Conway looks to the manor born. Unfortunately for him he’ll still struggle to break our 3/4/5 axis, despite a relatively mean period there’s no way they’ll drop Taylor.
An article I was reading said it could be Conway vs Blundell as the other opener. Blundell has done well at the top of the order but is more a middle order batsmen. His recent tons for Wellington have been from the middle order.
@bovidae said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
Conway looks to the manor born. Unfortunately for him he’ll still struggle to break our 3/4/5 axis, despite a relatively mean period there’s no way they’ll drop Taylor.
An article I was reading said it could be Conway vs Blundell as the other opener. Blundell has done well at the top of the order but is more a middle order batsmen. His recent tons for Wellington have been from the middle order.
Would be hard on Blundell, he has played well. This is an unfamiliar problem for the BCs to have
-
@bovidae said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
Conway looks to the manor born. Unfortunately for him he’ll still struggle to break our 3/4/5 axis, despite a relatively mean period there’s no way they’ll drop Taylor.
An article I was reading said it could be Conway vs Blundell as the other opener. Blundell has done well at the top of the order but is more a middle order batsmen. His recent tons for Wellington have been from the middle order.
Would be hard on Blundell, he has played well. This is an unfamiliar problem for the BCs to have
-
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 Devon will be looking to run up the scores. Have our batting stocks ever been this strong? I'd say no
Have to fit him in without injuries first.
This is a difficult selection for the Lords game. Lots of intricacies when you take into account India's strengths and weaknesses and the Lords slope. Do we even need a spinner? Do we play an allrounder (Bracewell/CDG/Mitchell) or Santner, or stack the batting?
He’ll always have a special place in my heart for his efforts in Australia but that was ten fucken years ago.......I hope he isn’t seriously considered because a) we have much better bowling options and b) he’s not an all rounder.
Kylo is shaping into an allrounder
@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 Devon will be looking to run up the scores. Have our batting stocks ever been this strong? I'd say no
Have to fit him in without injuries first.
This is a difficult selection for the Lords game. Lots of intricacies when you take into account India's strengths and weaknesses and the Lords slope. Do we even need a spinner? Do we play an allrounder (Bracewell/CDG/Mitchell) or Santner, or stack the batting?
He’ll always have a special place in my heart for his efforts in Australia but that was ten fucken years ago.......I hope he isn’t seriously considered because a) we have much better bowling options and b) he’s not an all rounder.
Kylo is shaping into an allrounder
.....and the way he’s bowling I wouldn’t care if he batted worse than Chris Martin. He’s a hell of as talent.
-
@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
This is an unfamiliar problem for the BCs to have
It is a bit of a mind fuck. Having to decide which good players to leave out, instead of choosing which of the least shit players to put in.
@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
This is an unfamiliar problem for the BCs to have
It is a bit of a mind fuck. Having to decide which good players to leave out, instead of choosing which of the least shit players to put in.
Pretty sure I remember a period just after Fleming retired and just before Taylor emerged that the Black Caps had a top six with NO test hundreds between them, only McCullum and Vettori batting down the order had any. ( shudders )
-
On Bracewell.....what has he done to justify a recall ? After his amazing match winning performance ( which due to a mental health day I watched in its entirety vs Aus ) his career has been quite the disappointment to me. Surely there’s younger, better guys around ?
He’s the kind of guy I really wanted to have a good career but I feel time has run out.
-
@crucial They moved it to Southampton. Not being played at Lords but at the Hampshire bowl or Rose bowl (whatever they call it).
@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial They moved it to Southampton. Not being played at Lords but at the Hampshire bowl or Rose bowl (whatever they call it).
Ah yeah, forgot about that. I think that brings a spinner into the mix which is a pain as it we lose a 'quick' and/or an allrounder.
-
Batting avgs
Blundell 38.43
Latham 42.25
Kane 54.31
Roscoe 45.83
Nicholls 43.92
Watling 38.11
CDG 37.03
Santner 25.05
Jamieson 56.58 of those are in the all time top 30 for NZ
4 in the top 13.If you look down the current list of avgs the last era that had more than one top bat was the 1930s
The averages there equal an innings of 375. If we can squeeze in Conway and a couple of bowlers that's pretty strong
-
Batting avgs
Blundell 38.43
Latham 42.25
Kane 54.31
Roscoe 45.83
Nicholls 43.92
Watling 38.11
CDG 37.03
Santner 25.05
Jamieson 56.58 of those are in the all time top 30 for NZ
4 in the top 13.If you look down the current list of avgs the last era that had more than one top bat was the 1930s
The averages there equal an innings of 375. If we can squeeze in Conway and a couple of bowlers that's pretty strong
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
If we can squeeze in Conway and a couple of bowlers that's pretty strong
Where though - for Conway I mean.
I wouldn't be thinking about Santner in the test team. If we play a spinner, and you're correct we probably need to at the Ageas Bowl (that place has so many names!), then it will have to be a genuine turner of the ball. Ajaz?
Tough team to pick.
-
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
If we can squeeze in Conway and a couple of bowlers that's pretty strong
Where though - for Conway I mean.
I wouldn't be thinking about Santner in the test team. If we play a spinner, and you're correct we probably need to at the Ageas Bowl (that place has so many names!), then it will have to be a genuine turner of the ball. Ajaz?
Tough team to pick.
@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
If we can squeeze in Conway and a couple of bowlers that's pretty strong
Where though - for Conway I mean.
can he roll the arm over? Gentle offies perhaps?
-
@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
If we can squeeze in Conway and a couple of bowlers that's pretty strong
Where though - for Conway I mean.
can he roll the arm over? Gentle offies perhaps?
@nzzp said in Black Caps tour to England:
can he roll the arm over? Gentle offies perhaps?
Not that I am aware of, but he seems to be able to do most things. Maybe we could have a keeper at each end and BJ could bowl too. Could be like the old days where everyone got a bowl.
-
As some of the IPL players won't be involved in at least the 1st test against England it will be a good opportunity to see some of the other players before the WTC final. Ravindra, for example, is a batsmen who also bowls left-arm spin.
@bovidae said in Black Caps tour to England:
As some of the IPL players won't be involved in at least the 1st test against England it will be a good opportunity to see some of the other players before the WTC final. Ravindra, for example, is a batsmen who also bowls left-arm spin.
I don't know much about him. Is he a real turner of the ball or more flight and deception?
A shame that Ish couldn't get the red ball to work for him.
-
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
If we can squeeze in Conway and a couple of bowlers that's pretty strong
Where though - for Conway I mean.
I wouldn't be thinking about Santner in the test team. If we play a spinner, and you're correct we probably need to at the Ageas Bowl (that place has so many names!), then it will have to be a genuine turner of the ball. Ajaz?
Tough team to pick.
@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
If we can squeeze in Conway and a couple of bowlers that's pretty strong
Where though - for Conway I mean.
I wouldn't be thinking about Santner in the test team. If we play a spinner, and you're correct we probably need to at the Ageas Bowl (that place has so many names!), then it will have to be a genuine turner of the ball. Ajaz?
Tough team to pick.
I know what you mean about Santner. He seems to be a fixture because he is a backstop bat and can eat up some overs.He certainly isn't a weapon.
-
@bovidae said in Black Caps tour to England:
As some of the IPL players won't be involved in at least the 1st test against England it will be a good opportunity to see some of the other players before the WTC final. Ravindra, for example, is a batsmen who also bowls left-arm spin.
I don't know much about him. Is he a real turner of the ball or more flight and deception?
A shame that Ish couldn't get the red ball to work for him.
@snowy Honestly, I don't know much about his bowling.
This is what Stead had to say about Ravindra on Cricinfo.
Ravindra, the 21-year-old allrounder who plays for Wellington, has been selected on the back of centuries for New Zealand A against West Indies - both the full side and the A side - earlier this season while he also made a half-century against a Pakistan A (Shaheens) attack that included Mohammad Abbas and Naseem Shah. He then returned from a dislocated shoulder which disrupted his season to score 138 against Northern Districts and claimed six wickets in the final game of the season with his left-arm spin. "Rachin's been earmarked as a star of the future since his Under-19 days and we've been really encouraged by the advancement in his game this season, with both bat and ball," New Zealand coach Gary Stead said. "He's obviously an opening option, but also has the ability to bat in the middle order which combined with his left-arm finger spin make him a great asset to our squad." -
@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
If we can squeeze in Conway and a couple of bowlers that's pretty strong
Where though - for Conway I mean.
I wouldn't be thinking about Santner in the test team. If we play a spinner, and you're correct we probably need to at the Ageas Bowl (that place has so many names!), then it will have to be a genuine turner of the ball. Ajaz?
Tough team to pick.
I know what you mean about Santner. He seems to be a fixture because he is a backstop bat and can eat up some overs.He certainly isn't a weapon.
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
If we can squeeze in Conway and a couple of bowlers that's pretty strong
Where though - for Conway I mean.
I wouldn't be thinking about Santner in the test team. If we play a spinner, and you're correct we probably need to at the Ageas Bowl (that place has so many names!), then it will have to be a genuine turner of the ball. Ajaz?
Tough team to pick.
I know what you mean about Santner. He seems to be a fixture because he is a backstop bat and can eat up some overs.He certainly isn't a weapon.
To me, if we want to be truly top of the world class we need an attacking spinner. Patel and the other guy that toured on the sub continent fit that bill, just don't get a look in in less spin friendly conditions
-
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
If we can squeeze in Conway and a couple of bowlers that's pretty strong
Where though - for Conway I mean.
I wouldn't be thinking about Santner in the test team. If we play a spinner, and you're correct we probably need to at the Ageas Bowl (that place has so many names!), then it will have to be a genuine turner of the ball. Ajaz?
Tough team to pick.
-
@snowy if he is going to be squeezed in I would have him replace Nichols. Nichols rode his luck big time this season.
@crazy-horse said in Black Caps tour to England:
@snowy if he is going to be squeezed in I would have him replace Nichols. Nichols rode his luck big time this season.
I agree, but it is a tough call.
-
@crazy-horse said in Black Caps tour to England:
@snowy if he is going to be squeezed in I would have him replace Nichols. Nichols rode his luck big time this season.
I agree, but it is a tough call.
@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crazy-horse said in Black Caps tour to England:
@snowy if he is going to be squeezed in I would have him replace Nichols. Nichols rode his luck big time this season.
I agree, but it is a tough call.
really tough! Drop a bloke averaging 44?
http://www.cricmetric.com/playerstats.py?player=HM Nicholls&role=batsman
-
@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crazy-horse said in Black Caps tour to England:
@snowy if he is going to be squeezed in I would have him replace Nichols. Nichols rode his luck big time this season.
I agree, but it is a tough call.
really tough! Drop a bloke averaging 44?
http://www.cricmetric.com/playerstats.py?player=HM Nicholls&role=batsman
@nzzp said in Black Caps tour to England:
@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crazy-horse said in Black Caps tour to England:
@snowy if he is going to be squeezed in I would have him replace Nichols. Nichols rode his luck big time this season.
I agree, but it is a tough call.
really tough! Drop a bloke averaging 44?
http://www.cricmetric.com/playerstats.py?player=HM Nicholls&role=batsman
It's either him or Blundell.
Nichols was incredibly lucky this year. Didn't someone post a while ago what his scores would have looked like this year if all the chances he gave were taken? It wouldn't be pretty reading.
-
@nzzp said in Black Caps tour to England:
@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crazy-horse said in Black Caps tour to England:
@snowy if he is going to be squeezed in I would have him replace Nichols. Nichols rode his luck big time this season.
I agree, but it is a tough call.
really tough! Drop a bloke averaging 44?
http://www.cricmetric.com/playerstats.py?player=HM Nicholls&role=batsman
It's either him or Blundell.
Nichols was incredibly lucky this year. Didn't someone post a while ago what his scores would have looked like this year if all the chances he gave were taken? It wouldn't be pretty reading.
@crazy-horse said in Black Caps tour to England:
if all the chances he gave were taken?
Probably the key to it. The stats don't say it all.
So do we stick with the tried and tested? Nicholls has done us proud but there are questions.
Go with Blundell, who has also done well, albeit a shorter time, or gamble on the shiny new thing that hasn't played test cricket? I'd back him to succeed but it is a seriously big call.
