Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crazy-horse said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b Conway is good enough, it's pretty obvious when you watch him he is a more talented bat than Blundell. Experience might be the problem at this stage.
He's also better than Nicholls IMHO. There will probably be room for all of them when Rosco retires
He appears to be.
You just have to be wary of Graeme Hick syndrome.
Yeah he certainly didn’t have the career that was expected of him, debuting alongside Graham Gooch, Alec Stewart and Robin Smith who were all far better test players despite not dominating at first class level to the extent Hick did.
I’m just wondering how long we can ride this wave as fans and when/if the next generation of Hows/Redmonds/Papps/Marshall ( either or )Fultons comes in.......
...and David White's. Let's not forget David White, because I hold him largely responsible for this wave.
Not because he's a gun administrator, but because his administration (along with Spark Sport) is responsible for me not being able to watch it. Presumably, once I can watch again, we'll return to dross.
So let me just say - Fuck you, David.
You would have been doing me a favour if you'd blocked my viewing during your playing era, but rural NZ is missing the equivalent of Sir Paddles' hey day.
Someone has been playing with David's stats on Wikipedia. They're not as good on Cricinfo!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_White_(New_Zealand_cricketer)
374 test matches in 9 days ? That’s a solid effort. He got some runs too.
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Only averaging 135 after making 374 tons is a bit of a let down though. High score of 160 suggests he got to the milestone and lost focus.
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@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crazy-horse said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b Conway is good enough, it's pretty obvious when you watch him he is a more talented bat than Blundell. Experience might be the problem at this stage.
He's also better than Nicholls IMHO. There will probably be room for all of them when Rosco retires
He appears to be.
You just have to be wary of Graeme Hick syndrome.
@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crazy-horse said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b Conway is good enough, it's pretty obvious when you watch him he is a more talented bat than Blundell. Experience might be the problem at this stage.
He's also better than Nicholls IMHO. There will probably be room for all of them when Rosco retires
He appears to be.
You just have to be wary of Graeme Hick syndrome.
I don't remember Hick excelling in ODIs then floundering at test level....
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Stead was on the TV tonight sowing the seed for Conway to replace Blundell.
"It's one of the options that's being considered," Stead says of the Blundell-Conway swap. "Tom Blundell's been, I guess, the incumbent there - with Tom Latham - for a while now and has done a great job for us in that role. "I don't think that's his natural role, though, and I think Tom recognises that as well. We just have to work through that. "Everyone's seen the success that [Conway's] had and we know he's a fine player - it's just working out what that looks like." -
@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 Devon will be looking to run up the scores. Have our batting stocks ever been this strong? I'd say no
Even if Martin Donnelly, Glenn Turner, Martin Crowe and Bert Sutcliffe all played in the same era I’d still say no.
Conway looks to the manor born. Unfortunately for him he’ll still struggle to break our 3/4/5 axis, despite a relatively lean period there’s no way they’ll drop Taylor. KW walks in obviously so is there a chance Nicholls place might be in jeopardy ?
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 Devon will be looking to run up the scores. Have our batting stocks ever been this strong? I'd say no
Even if Martin Donnelly, Glenn Turner, Martin Crowe and Bert Sutcliffe all played in the same era I’d still say no.
I really don't follow cricket that much these days, but I can't recall a period when so many quality NZ players seemingly rolling off a conveyor belt.
Used to be big debates about over-working quality players and carefully nurturing possibly talent - now it seems to be about which quality player not to play.
Good place to be.
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@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crazy-horse said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b Conway is good enough, it's pretty obvious when you watch him he is a more talented bat than Blundell. Experience might be the problem at this stage.
He's also better than Nicholls IMHO. There will probably be room for all of them when Rosco retires
He appears to be.
You just have to be wary of Graeme Hick syndrome.
I don't remember Hick excelling in ODIs then floundering at test level....
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@canefan Well, your memory is clearly flawed.
Graeme averaged 65 after his first 3 ODIs and 11 after his first three tests!
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@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@canefan Well, your memory is clearly flawed.
Graeme averaged 65 after his first 3 ODIs and 11 after his first three tests!
Clearly
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@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crazy-horse said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b Conway is good enough, it's pretty obvious when you watch him he is a more talented bat than Blundell. Experience might be the problem at this stage.
He's also better than Nicholls IMHO. There will probably be room for all of them when Rosco retires
He appears to be.
You just have to be wary of Graeme Hick syndrome.
Yeah he certainly didn’t have the career that was expected of him, debuting alongside Graham Gooch, Alec Stewart and Robin Smith who were all far better test players despite not dominating at first class level to the extent Hick did.
I’m just wondering how long we can ride this wave as fans and when/if the next generation of Hows/Redmonds/Papps/Marshall ( either or )Fultons comes in.......
...and David White's. Let's not forget David White, because I hold him largely responsible for this wave.
Not because he's a gun administrator, but because his administration (along with Spark Sport) is responsible for me not being able to watch it. Presumably, once I can watch again, we'll return to dross.
So let me just say - Fuck you, David.
You would have been doing me a favour if you'd blocked my viewing during your playing era, but rural NZ is missing the equivalent of Sir Paddles' hey day.
Someone has been playing with David's stats on Wikipedia. They're not as good on Cricinfo!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_White_(New_Zealand_cricketer)
@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crazy-horse said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b Conway is good enough, it's pretty obvious when you watch him he is a more talented bat than Blundell. Experience might be the problem at this stage.
He's also better than Nicholls IMHO. There will probably be room for all of them when Rosco retires
He appears to be.
You just have to be wary of Graeme Hick syndrome.
Yeah he certainly didn’t have the career that was expected of him, debuting alongside Graham Gooch, Alec Stewart and Robin Smith who were all far better test players despite not dominating at first class level to the extent Hick did.
I’m just wondering how long we can ride this wave as fans and when/if the next generation of Hows/Redmonds/Papps/Marshall ( either or )Fultons comes in.......
...and David White's. Let's not forget David White, because I hold him largely responsible for this wave.
Not because he's a gun administrator, but because his administration (along with Spark Sport) is responsible for me not being able to watch it. Presumably, once I can watch again, we'll return to dross.
So let me just say - Fuck you, David.
You would have been doing me a favour if you'd blocked my viewing during your playing era, but rural NZ is missing the equivalent of Sir Paddles' hey day.
Someone has been playing with David's stats on Wikipedia. They're not as good on Cricinfo!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_White_(New_Zealand_cricketer)
Spark sport is what.. $15/month. Lay off the Ta$man bitter and you’d afford it no worries
Edit: that reminds me I need to cancel my subscription now that cricket has finished.
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I'm like @Chris-B in that I haven't watched any domestic cricket since Spark Sport took over apart from the FTA T20 games.
The tests in England will be overnight (NZT) so aren't at viewer friendly times, unless you are a night owl and a cricket tragic.
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@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crazy-horse said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b Conway is good enough, it's pretty obvious when you watch him he is a more talented bat than Blundell. Experience might be the problem at this stage.
He's also better than Nicholls IMHO. There will probably be room for all of them when Rosco retires
He appears to be.
You just have to be wary of Graeme Hick syndrome.
Yeah he certainly didn’t have the career that was expected of him, debuting alongside Graham Gooch, Alec Stewart and Robin Smith who were all far better test players despite not dominating at first class level to the extent Hick did.
I’m just wondering how long we can ride this wave as fans and when/if the next generation of Hows/Redmonds/Papps/Marshall ( either or )Fultons comes in.......
...and David White's. Let's not forget David White, because I hold him largely responsible for this wave.
Not because he's a gun administrator, but because his administration (along with Spark Sport) is responsible for me not being able to watch it. Presumably, once I can watch again, we'll return to dross.
So let me just say - Fuck you, David.
You would have been doing me a favour if you'd blocked my viewing during your playing era, but rural NZ is missing the equivalent of Sir Paddles' hey day.
Someone has been playing with David's stats on Wikipedia. They're not as good on Cricinfo!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_White_(New_Zealand_cricketer)
Spark sport is what.. $15/month. Lay off the Ta$man bitter and you’d afford it no worries
Edit: that reminds me I need to cancel my subscription now that cricket has finished.
@gunner said in Black Caps tour to England:
Spark sport is what.. $15/month. Lay off the Ta$man bitter and you’d afford it no worries
I think about it like a cricket season pass for domestic cricket for a lazy hundy. I take that any day of the week.
Streaming's not for everyone - but it's the future. Satellite is dying like UHF.
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@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crazy-horse said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b Conway is good enough, it's pretty obvious when you watch him he is a more talented bat than Blundell. Experience might be the problem at this stage.
He's also better than Nicholls IMHO. There will probably be room for all of them when Rosco retires
He appears to be.
You just have to be wary of Graeme Hick syndrome.
Yeah he certainly didn’t have the career that was expected of him, debuting alongside Graham Gooch, Alec Stewart and Robin Smith who were all far better test players despite not dominating at first class level to the extent Hick did.
I’m just wondering how long we can ride this wave as fans and when/if the next generation of Hows/Redmonds/Papps/Marshall ( either or )Fultons comes in.......
...and David White's. Let's not forget David White, because I hold him largely responsible for this wave.
Not because he's a gun administrator, but because his administration (along with Spark Sport) is responsible for me not being able to watch it. Presumably, once I can watch again, we'll return to dross.
So let me just say - Fuck you, David.
You would have been doing me a favour if you'd blocked my viewing during your playing era, but rural NZ is missing the equivalent of Sir Paddles' hey day.
Someone has been playing with David's stats on Wikipedia. They're not as good on Cricinfo!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_White_(New_Zealand_cricketer)
Spark sport is what.. $15/month. Lay off the Ta$man bitter and you’d afford it no worries
Edit: that reminds me I need to cancel my subscription now that cricket has finished.
@gunner said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crazy-horse said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b Conway is good enough, it's pretty obvious when you watch him he is a more talented bat than Blundell. Experience might be the problem at this stage.
He's also better than Nicholls IMHO. There will probably be room for all of them when Rosco retires
He appears to be.
You just have to be wary of Graeme Hick syndrome.
Yeah he certainly didn’t have the career that was expected of him, debuting alongside Graham Gooch, Alec Stewart and Robin Smith who were all far better test players despite not dominating at first class level to the extent Hick did.
I’m just wondering how long we can ride this wave as fans and when/if the next generation of Hows/Redmonds/Papps/Marshall ( either or )Fultons comes in.......
...and David White's. Let's not forget David White, because I hold him largely responsible for this wave.
Not because he's a gun administrator, but because his administration (along with Spark Sport) is responsible for me not being able to watch it. Presumably, once I can watch again, we'll return to dross.
So let me just say - Fuck you, David.
You would have been doing me a favour if you'd blocked my viewing during your playing era, but rural NZ is missing the equivalent of Sir Paddles' hey day.
Someone has been playing with David's stats on Wikipedia. They're not as good on Cricinfo!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_White_(New_Zealand_cricketer)
Spark sport is what.. $15/month. Lay off the Ta$man bitter and you’d afford it no worries
Edit: that reminds me I need to cancel my subscription now that cricket has finished.
Despite that I've been their customer for pretty much forever - much longer than they've been Spark - they won't provide me with sufficient bandwidth to run Spark Sport.
Despite that I've asked them repeatedly to send someone to test whether I can get VDSL - and that Chorus says I can get it. And despite that apparently the main South Island fibre optic cable line goes past my gate.
Nothing happens.
They are - in my opinion of course - a fucking useless company!
If anyone from Spark is reading this and thinks they can sort it out pm me - because your kids in the Philippines can't and it's seemingly impossible to get past them.
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@gunner said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crazy-horse said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b Conway is good enough, it's pretty obvious when you watch him he is a more talented bat than Blundell. Experience might be the problem at this stage.
He's also better than Nicholls IMHO. There will probably be room for all of them when Rosco retires
He appears to be.
You just have to be wary of Graeme Hick syndrome.
Yeah he certainly didn’t have the career that was expected of him, debuting alongside Graham Gooch, Alec Stewart and Robin Smith who were all far better test players despite not dominating at first class level to the extent Hick did.
I’m just wondering how long we can ride this wave as fans and when/if the next generation of Hows/Redmonds/Papps/Marshall ( either or )Fultons comes in.......
...and David White's. Let's not forget David White, because I hold him largely responsible for this wave.
Not because he's a gun administrator, but because his administration (along with Spark Sport) is responsible for me not being able to watch it. Presumably, once I can watch again, we'll return to dross.
So let me just say - Fuck you, David.
You would have been doing me a favour if you'd blocked my viewing during your playing era, but rural NZ is missing the equivalent of Sir Paddles' hey day.
Someone has been playing with David's stats on Wikipedia. They're not as good on Cricinfo!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_White_(New_Zealand_cricketer)
Spark sport is what.. $15/month. Lay off the Ta$man bitter and you’d afford it no worries
Edit: that reminds me I need to cancel my subscription now that cricket has finished.
Despite that I've been their customer for pretty much forever - much longer than they've been Spark - they won't provide me with sufficient bandwidth to run Spark Sport.
Despite that I've asked them repeatedly to send someone to test whether I can get VDSL - and that Chorus says I can get it. And despite that apparently the main South Island fibre optic cable line goes past my gate.
Nothing happens.
They are - in my opinion of course - a fucking useless company!
If anyone from Spark is reading this and thinks they can sort it out pm me - because your kids in the Philippines can't and it's seemingly impossible to get past them.
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@nzzp said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b wireless 4g? Starlink? There are options and alternatives...
From memory @Chris-B is in a bit of a black hole regarding connectivity
Chris, PM me your location again if you want. I'm not in the industry anymore but I do know my way around the maps including the rural ones that aren't easily located. Basically if the map shows something is available then place an order directly. Don't bother calling just order. That way the provisioning team has to tell you why the map is wrong. -
I'm like @Chris-B in that I haven't watched any domestic cricket since Spark Sport took over apart from the FTA T20 games.
The tests in England will be overnight (NZT) so aren't at viewer friendly times, unless you are a night owl and a cricket tragic.
@bovidae said in Black Caps tour to England:
I'm like @Chris-B in that I haven't watched any domestic cricket since Spark Sport took over apart from the FTA T20 games.
The tests in England will be overnight (NZT) so aren't at viewer friendly times, unless you are a night owl and a cricket tragic.
Guilty.
Even though it’s our summer game there’s still something awesome about watching with a blanket and heater in the middle of our coldest period of the year.
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@crazy-horse Yeah - I worded that a bit inaccurately.
Whether the risk of a talented, slightly makeshift rookie test player in Conway outweighs the more limited, but more proven Blundell.
(In my mind, it probably does, because Blundell himself is a bit makeshift - and the Test Championship final is uncharted territory for everyone - including Kane, Rossco and Kohli!).
But, experience will trump lots of things, so I'm not onboard with playing Ravindra. I'd pick Santner (or maybe Ajaz) if we expect spinners to have some role, CdG if we can get away without a spinner.
@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crazy-horse Yeah - I worded that a bit inaccurately.
Whether the risk of a talented, slightly makeshift rookie test player in Conway outweighs the more limited, but more proven Blundell.
(In my mind, it probably does, because Blundell himself is a bit makeshift - and the Test Championship final is uncharted territory for everyone - including Kane, Rossco and Kohli!).
But, experience will trump lots of things, so I'm not onboard with playing Ravindra. I'd pick Santner (or maybe Ajaz) if we expect spinners to have some role, CdG if we can get away without a spinner.
Historically we have had some pretty good returns from test debutants against good opposition especially opening and from LHBs. I think the gamble is to keep Conway out.
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@nzzp said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b wireless 4g? Starlink? There are options and alternatives...
From memory @Chris-B is in a bit of a black hole regarding connectivity
Chris, PM me your location again if you want. I'm not in the industry anymore but I do know my way around the maps including the rural ones that aren't easily located. Basically if the map shows something is available then place an order directly. Don't bother calling just order. That way the provisioning team has to tell you why the map is wrong.@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
From memory @Chris-B is in a bit of a black hole regarding connectivity
@chris-b If you can hang on for a few months, Starlink could seriously be an option for you.
It's a thousand bucks to get the gear, and $160/month after that. Then you can expect to get 80-150MB download, 30ish upload and unlimited data. For rural users, it's a godsend - goes with you to any house, anywhere with a view of the sky. Musk says speeds may go up as well - but who knows
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@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crazy-horse Yeah - I worded that a bit inaccurately.
Whether the risk of a talented, slightly makeshift rookie test player in Conway outweighs the more limited, but more proven Blundell.
(In my mind, it probably does, because Blundell himself is a bit makeshift - and the Test Championship final is uncharted territory for everyone - including Kane, Rossco and Kohli!).
But, experience will trump lots of things, so I'm not onboard with playing Ravindra. I'd pick Santner (or maybe Ajaz) if we expect spinners to have some role, CdG if we can get away without a spinner.
Historically we have had some pretty good returns from test debutants against good opposition especially opening and from LHBs. I think the gamble is to keep Conway out.
@rotated said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crazy-horse Yeah - I worded that a bit inaccurately.
Whether the risk of a talented, slightly makeshift rookie test player in Conway outweighs the more limited, but more proven Blundell.
(In my mind, it probably does, because Blundell himself is a bit makeshift - and the Test Championship final is uncharted territory for everyone - including Kane, Rossco and Kohli!).
But, experience will trump lots of things, so I'm not onboard with playing Ravindra. I'd pick Santner (or maybe Ajaz) if we expect spinners to have some role, CdG if we can get away without a spinner.
Historically we have had some pretty good returns from test debutants against good opposition especially opening and from LHBs. I think the gamble is to keep Conway out.
My worry with Conway is the fact we already have proven test performers like KW, Rossco, Latham and Nicholls, in other words out of those four blokes the lowest test average is 42 and that’s Latham and openers generally average a bit less. Only Oz and India can remotely match that batting unit. With the ebbs and flows of selections and class players only gracing a team for a wee while are we sure this guy is gonna fit in and dominate like we hope he will ?
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@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 Devon will be looking to run up the scores. Have our batting stocks ever been this strong? I'd say no
Even if Martin Donnelly, Glenn Turner, Martin Crowe and Bert Sutcliffe all played in the same era I’d still say no.
I really don't follow cricket that much these days, but I can't recall a period when so many quality NZ players seemingly rolling off a conveyor belt.
Used to be big debates about over-working quality players and carefully nurturing possibly talent - now it seems to be about which quality player not to play.
Good place to be.
@victor-meldrew said in Black Caps tour to England:
I can't recall a period when so many quality NZ players seemingly rolling off a conveyor belt.
We call it South Africa.
I'm taking the piss of course, but we do appreciate their help.
