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    @stargazer said in Law trials and changes:

    I hope this doesn't mean that it has become more likely that these law trials will become law amendments. I'm fine with the red card replacements, but don't like the captain's challenge.

    I'd go further that the captain's challenge is a blight on the game and should be binned immediately. It would be better to have more clarity around the laws to give refs and viewers more expectation of consistency

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    @nzzp

    I'd go further that the captain's challenge is a blight on the game and should be binned immediately. It would be better to have more clarity around the laws to give refs and viewers more expectation of consistency

    Yeah, it's a blight and should be scrapped.

    That said, I'm happy they trial stuff like the Captains referral/challenge thing - at least it shows the game isn't run by a bunch of conservative old farts, I guess.

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    • nzzpN nzzp

      @stargazer said in Law trials and changes:

      I hope this doesn't mean that it has become more likely that these law trials will become law amendments. I'm fine with the red card replacements, but don't like the captain's challenge.

      I'd go further that the captain's challenge is a blight on the game and should be binned immediately. It would be better to have more clarity around the laws to give refs and viewers more expectation of consistency

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      @nzzp said in Law trials and changes:

      @stargazer said in Law trials and changes:

      I hope this doesn't mean that it has become more likely that these law trials will become law amendments. I'm fine with the red card replacements, but don't like the captain's challenge.

      I'd go further that the captain's challenge is a blight on the game and should be binned immediately. It would be better to have more clarity around the laws to give refs and viewers more expectation of consistency

      Yep, it's just awful and undermines respect of the ref IMO. Already have seen it being gamed (going for hail mary checks, cause it might pay off)

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        i think ive seen once where the challenge worked...the rest of all failed or even gone against the team bringing them...on paper it might have looked good...not so in reality

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          i think ive seen once where the challenge worked...the rest of all failed or even gone against the team bringing them...on paper it might have looked good...not so in reality

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          @kiwiwomble said in Law trials and changes:

          i think ive seen once where the challenge worked...the rest of all failed or even gone against the team bringing them...on paper it might have looked good...not so in reality

          The law of unintended consequences.

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            Sky Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man laws confirmed

            Goal-line drop-outs and the ability to replace red carded players after 20 minutes are the two law innovations trialled by New Zealand Rugby (NZR) and Rugby Australia (RA) that will carry over to Sky Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man when the new competition kicks off this weekend.

            The two law innovations used in Sky Super Rugby Aotearoa that will not carry over to the new six-week trans- Ta$man competition are the captain’s referral and Golden Point extra time.

            New Zealand Rugby Head of High Performance Mike Anthony said it was important to ensure the laws used over the next six weeks did not disadvantage players from either side of the Ta$man.

            “New Zealand Rugby has trialled a range of innovations this season in Sky Super Rugby Aotearoa and we are reviewing those trials with a view to making some recommendations for future competitions.

            “For Sky Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man we have agreed with Rugby Australia to stick to laws that were consistent across our respective domestic Super Rugby competitions, which in this case are the goal-line drop-out and the red card replacement.

            “Statistics from Sky Super Rugby Aotearoa indicate the goal-line drop-out has achieved its purpose of speeding up the game and getting the ball back in play more quickly than a 5m scrum, while we believe the red card replacement rule maintains the integrity of matches for players and fans alike when a player has been sent off.”

            It has been agreed that matches tied at full time during the round-robin will finish as a draw with the two teams sharing the competition points, Anthony said.

            “The exception will be the final, which will follow the same extra time protocols as the Sky Super Rugby Aotearoa final. If the respective Super Rugby finals in New Zealand and Australia over the weekend are anything to go by Sky Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man will be an incredibly exciting tournament."

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            • StargazerS Stargazer

              Sky Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man laws confirmed

              Goal-line drop-outs and the ability to replace red carded players after 20 minutes are the two law innovations trialled by New Zealand Rugby (NZR) and Rugby Australia (RA) that will carry over to Sky Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man when the new competition kicks off this weekend.

              The two law innovations used in Sky Super Rugby Aotearoa that will not carry over to the new six-week trans- Ta$man competition are the captain’s referral and Golden Point extra time.

              New Zealand Rugby Head of High Performance Mike Anthony said it was important to ensure the laws used over the next six weeks did not disadvantage players from either side of the Ta$man.

              “New Zealand Rugby has trialled a range of innovations this season in Sky Super Rugby Aotearoa and we are reviewing those trials with a view to making some recommendations for future competitions.

              “For Sky Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man we have agreed with Rugby Australia to stick to laws that were consistent across our respective domestic Super Rugby competitions, which in this case are the goal-line drop-out and the red card replacement.

              “Statistics from Sky Super Rugby Aotearoa indicate the goal-line drop-out has achieved its purpose of speeding up the game and getting the ball back in play more quickly than a 5m scrum, while we believe the red card replacement rule maintains the integrity of matches for players and fans alike when a player has been sent off.”

              It has been agreed that matches tied at full time during the round-robin will finish as a draw with the two teams sharing the competition points, Anthony said.

              “The exception will be the final, which will follow the same extra time protocols as the Sky Super Rugby Aotearoa final. If the respective Super Rugby finals in New Zealand and Australia over the weekend are anything to go by Sky Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man will be an incredibly exciting tournament."

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              @stargazer said in Law trials and changes:

              that will not carry over to the new six-week trans- Ta$man competition are the captain’s referral and Golden Point extra time.

              Yee farking hah!

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              • StargazerS Stargazer

                Sky Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man laws confirmed

                Goal-line drop-outs and the ability to replace red carded players after 20 minutes are the two law innovations trialled by New Zealand Rugby (NZR) and Rugby Australia (RA) that will carry over to Sky Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man when the new competition kicks off this weekend.

                The two law innovations used in Sky Super Rugby Aotearoa that will not carry over to the new six-week trans- Ta$man competition are the captain’s referral and Golden Point extra time.

                New Zealand Rugby Head of High Performance Mike Anthony said it was important to ensure the laws used over the next six weeks did not disadvantage players from either side of the Ta$man.

                “New Zealand Rugby has trialled a range of innovations this season in Sky Super Rugby Aotearoa and we are reviewing those trials with a view to making some recommendations for future competitions.

                “For Sky Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man we have agreed with Rugby Australia to stick to laws that were consistent across our respective domestic Super Rugby competitions, which in this case are the goal-line drop-out and the red card replacement.

                “Statistics from Sky Super Rugby Aotearoa indicate the goal-line drop-out has achieved its purpose of speeding up the game and getting the ball back in play more quickly than a 5m scrum, while we believe the red card replacement rule maintains the integrity of matches for players and fans alike when a player has been sent off.”

                It has been agreed that matches tied at full time during the round-robin will finish as a draw with the two teams sharing the competition points, Anthony said.

                “The exception will be the final, which will follow the same extra time protocols as the Sky Super Rugby Aotearoa final. If the respective Super Rugby finals in New Zealand and Australia over the weekend are anything to go by Sky Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man will be an incredibly exciting tournament."

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                Goal-line drop-outs

                I think the AU version was slightly different than the NZ one?

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                • StargazerS Stargazer

                  Sky Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man laws confirmed

                  Goal-line drop-outs and the ability to replace red carded players after 20 minutes are the two law innovations trialled by New Zealand Rugby (NZR) and Rugby Australia (RA) that will carry over to Sky Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man when the new competition kicks off this weekend.

                  The two law innovations used in Sky Super Rugby Aotearoa that will not carry over to the new six-week trans- Ta$man competition are the captain’s referral and Golden Point extra time.

                  New Zealand Rugby Head of High Performance Mike Anthony said it was important to ensure the laws used over the next six weeks did not disadvantage players from either side of the Ta$man.

                  “New Zealand Rugby has trialled a range of innovations this season in Sky Super Rugby Aotearoa and we are reviewing those trials with a view to making some recommendations for future competitions.

                  “For Sky Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man we have agreed with Rugby Australia to stick to laws that were consistent across our respective domestic Super Rugby competitions, which in this case are the goal-line drop-out and the red card replacement.

                  “Statistics from Sky Super Rugby Aotearoa indicate the goal-line drop-out has achieved its purpose of speeding up the game and getting the ball back in play more quickly than a 5m scrum, while we believe the red card replacement rule maintains the integrity of matches for players and fans alike when a player has been sent off.”

                  It has been agreed that matches tied at full time during the round-robin will finish as a draw with the two teams sharing the competition points, Anthony said.

                  “The exception will be the final, which will follow the same extra time protocols as the Sky Super Rugby Aotearoa final. If the respective Super Rugby finals in New Zealand and Australia over the weekend are anything to go by Sky Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man will be an incredibly exciting tournament."

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                  @stargazer I didn't even realize they were trialing the 20 minute red card replacement rule (which is probably a good thing) - though in my view 10 minutes is probably sufficient penalty.

                  Captain's referrals are one of those things that seemed like a good idea in principle, but has turned out to be rubbish.

                  Not sure whether there is merit in trialing them with much stricter limits on what can be referred - I think the idea was probably to try to correct the absolute howler, but they were immediately (mis-) used strategically - or whether the whole concept should be binned.

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                      @nta interesting they binned the Captains challenge I quite liked it personally.

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                        @nta interesting they binned the Captains challenge I quite liked it personally.

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                        @mikey07 said in Waratahs v Hurricanes:

                        @nta interesting they binned the Captains challenge I quite liked it personally.

                        Did @Virgil just announce a Fishiest/trolliest comment award?

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                          @mikey07 said in Waratahs v Hurricanes:

                          @nta interesting they binned the Captains challenge I quite liked it personally.

                          Did @Virgil just announce a Fishiest/trolliest comment award?

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                          @nepia how was that trolling I was merely voicing my opinion?

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                            @nepia how was that trolling I was merely voicing my opinion?

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                            @mikey07 said in Waratahs v Hurricanes:

                            @nepia how was that trolling I was merely voicing my opinion?

                            Well that joke went down like a lead balloon ... I didn't actually think anyone liked the captains referral system.

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                              @nepia how was that trolling I was merely voicing my opinion?

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                              @mikey07 well they've basically binned everything that wasn't common across both domestic comps (50/22s, referrals, restart time limits etc)

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                                @nta interesting they binned the Captains challenge I quite liked it personally.

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                                @mikey07 said in Waratahs v Hurricanes:

                                @nta interesting they binned the Captains challenge I quite liked it personally.

                                I thought it was interesting BUT only if it replaced endless TMO replays

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                                  @mikey07 said in Waratahs v Hurricanes:

                                  @nta interesting they binned the Captains challenge I quite liked it personally.

                                  I thought it was interesting BUT only if it replaced endless TMO replays

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                                  @nta said in Waratahs v Hurricanes:

                                  @mikey07 said in Waratahs v Hurricanes:

                                  @nta interesting they binned the Captains challenge I quite liked it personally.

                                  I thought it was interesting BUT only if it replaced endless TMO replays

                                  It added to them which was the problem.

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                                    @nta said in Waratahs v Hurricanes:

                                    @mikey07 said in Waratahs v Hurricanes:

                                    @nta interesting they binned the Captains challenge I quite liked it personally.

                                    I thought it was interesting BUT only if it replaced endless TMO replays

                                    It added to them which was the problem.

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                                    @snowy said in Waratahs v Hurricanes:

                                    @nta said in Waratahs v Hurricanes:

                                    @mikey07 said in Waratahs v Hurricanes:

                                    @nta interesting they binned the Captains challenge I quite liked it personally.

                                    I thought it was interesting BUT only if it replaced endless TMO replays

                                    It added to them which was the problem.

                                    Except for that one time when they looked at one view of a Chiefs knock on (IIRC) and then we all saw the subsequent footage showing it wasn't a knock on.

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                                      @snowy said in Waratahs v Hurricanes:

                                      @nta said in Waratahs v Hurricanes:

                                      @mikey07 said in Waratahs v Hurricanes:

                                      @nta interesting they binned the Captains challenge I quite liked it personally.

                                      I thought it was interesting BUT only if it replaced endless TMO replays

                                      It added to them which was the problem.

                                      Except for that one time when they looked at one view of a Chiefs knock on (IIRC) and then we all saw the subsequent footage showing it wasn't a knock on.

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                                      @nepia said in Waratahs v Hurricanes:

                                      @snowy said in Waratahs v Hurricanes:

                                      @nta said in Waratahs v Hurricanes:

                                      @mikey07 said in Waratahs v Hurricanes:

                                      @nta interesting they binned the Captains challenge I quite liked it personally.

                                      I thought it was interesting BUT only if it replaced endless TMO replays

                                      It added to them which was the problem.

                                      Except for that one time when they looked at one view of a Chiefs knock on (IIRC) and then we all saw the subsequent footage showing it wasn't a knock on.

                                      Being wrong is also a problem.

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                                      • NepiaN Nepia

                                        @mikey07 said in Waratahs v Hurricanes:

                                        @nepia how was that trolling I was merely voicing my opinion?

                                        Well that joke went down like a lead balloon ... I didn't actually think anyone liked the captains referral system.

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                                        @nepia 😂 let me set the record straight I only like it when it fails and blows up in the captains face. Is what I was referring too.

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                                        • NepiaN Nepia

                                          @mikey07 said in Waratahs v Hurricanes:

                                          @nepia how was that trolling I was merely voicing my opinion?

                                          Well that joke went down like a lead balloon ... I didn't actually think anyone liked the captains referral system.

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                                          @nepia said in Law trials and changes:

                                          @mikey07 said in Waratahs v Hurricanes:

                                          @nepia how was that trolling I was merely voicing my opinion?

                                          Well that joke went down like a lead balloon ... I didn't actually think anyone liked the captains referral system.

                                          Yeah it's probably a bit of a funny one looking back on it. I mean, did the refs hate it and set out to make it a failure?

                                          A lot of the scorn for the captain's referral I'd say probably stems from the officials getting it (sometimes blatantly) wrong in many of them, or just ignoring infringements/mistakes.

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