NZ cricket 2021
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@mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:
@nostrildamus said in NZ cricket 2021:
is there a related fast bowler element to these figures? I think Ian Smith was a superb keeper, but he wasn't keeping to so many quality fast bowlers...wondering whether statistically that may be a factor..
One of them was pretty decent.......but fair to say Cairns, Snedden, Chats, Morrison etc weren’t what you’d call rapid.
you must be a young chap, in his day Morrison was considered relatively quick--we were obviously very very desperate..
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@nostrildamus said in NZ cricket 2021:
@mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:
@nostrildamus said in NZ cricket 2021:
is there a related fast bowler element to these figures? I think Ian Smith was a superb keeper, but he wasn't keeping to so many quality fast bowlers...wondering whether statistically that may be a factor..
One of them was pretty decent.......but fair to say Cairns, Snedden, Chats, Morrison etc weren’t what you’d call rapid.
you must be a young chap, in his day Morrison was considered relatively quick--we were obviously very very desperate..
Danny was pretty quick for a little guy. Had that high release to make the most of his reach. Had a bit of attitude too, in a Wags sort of way if I recall. Typical fast bowler mentality
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@canefan said in NZ cricket 2021:
@nostrildamus said in NZ cricket 2021:
@mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:
@nostrildamus said in NZ cricket 2021:
is there a related fast bowler element to these figures? I think Ian Smith was a superb keeper, but he wasn't keeping to so many quality fast bowlers...wondering whether statistically that may be a factor..
One of them was pretty decent.......but fair to say Cairns, Snedden, Chats, Morrison etc weren’t what you’d call rapid.
you must be a young chap, in his day Morrison was considered relatively quick--we were obviously very very desperate..
Danny was pretty quick for a little guy. Had that high release to make the most of his reach. Had a bit of attitude too, in a Wags sort of way if I recall. Typical
fast bowlershort man mentalityFIFY
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@crucial said in NZ cricket 2021:
@canefan said in NZ cricket 2021:
@nostrildamus said in NZ cricket 2021:
@mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:
@nostrildamus said in NZ cricket 2021:
is there a related fast bowler element to these figures? I think Ian Smith was a superb keeper, but he wasn't keeping to so many quality fast bowlers...wondering whether statistically that may be a factor..
One of them was pretty decent.......but fair to say Cairns, Snedden, Chats, Morrison etc weren’t what you’d call rapid.
you must be a young chap, in his day Morrison was considered relatively quick--we were obviously very very desperate..
Danny was pretty quick for a little guy. Had that high release to make the most of his reach. Had a bit of attitude too, in a Wags sort of way if I recall. Typical
fast bowlershort man mentalityFIFY
Probably a bit of both!
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i actually forgot Danny Morrison existed for a moment and just assumed he was talking about Mystery
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@nostrildamus said in NZ cricket 2021:
is there a related fast bowler element to these figures? I think Ian Smith was a superb keeper, but he wasn't keeping to so many quality fast bowlers...wondering whether statistically that may be a factor..
Did a quick look
Watling/ Southee 71caught behinds (6 on all time combos list)
Watling/Boult 55
Watling/Wagner 52
Smith/Hadlee 43All time best combo?
Marsh/ Lillee 95
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@mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:
How desperate were we to have to play Parore as a specialist batsman though ? Even bearing in mind some of the donkeys who played for NZ his record in that department is pretty poor especially for someone who I remember being pretty proficient and good to watch at times.
I always felt a bit sorry for Parore being asked to jump about the order - I mean they asked him to bat #3 vs attacks of the quality of 90s Pakistan and South Africa FFS. He never achieved his real potential as a batsman TBH, though he was probably more technically sound than 5/6ths of the other batsmen in his team.
McCullum could have very possibly had a Ross Taylor like record if he never kept wicket. Getting those huge scores that he did takes real talent.
You also have to take account that the attacks he faced in his early days were stronger though and his big scores were all in the last 3-4 years of his career. But that period he was just scary in being able to take apart any attack - three very fast double hundreds and a lightning quick 195 that RWNJ jinxed in his commentary.
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@crucial said in NZ cricket 2021:
While I was in the stats looked at this
Dismissals/matches
Watling 257/65
Parore 201/67
BMac 179/52
Smith 176/63Possibly the most telling stat about bowling attack efficacy in the last 40 years. Smith didn't miss 80 odd chances
The evolution of NZ pitches in there too
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@synicbast said in NZ cricket 2021:
I always felt a bit sorry for Parore being asked to jump about the order - I mean they asked him to bat #3 vs attacks of the quality of 90s Pakistan and South Africa FFS. He never achieved his real potential as a batsman TBH, though he was probably more technically sound than 5/6ths of the other batsmen in his team.
Slightly tongue in cheek, I vaguely remember a few occasions where Parore was holding a technically perfect defensive shot while the stumps were broken behind him. Probably a reflection of both his technique and the quality of the bowlers around back then.
Wasim and Waqar. The '93 chase at Seddon Park v Pakistan is the reason why I will never be able to relax in a small run chase ever
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@donsteppa said in NZ cricket 2021:
Wasim and Waqar. The '93 chase at Seddon Park v Pakistan is the reason why I will never be able to relax in a small run chase ever
I can lend you an extra sofa Don.
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@snowy said in NZ cricket 2021:
@donsteppa said in NZ cricket 2021:
Wasim and Waqar. The '93 chase at Seddon Park v Pakistan is the reason why I will never be able to relax in a small run chase ever
I can lend you an extra sofa Don.
Not even Harvey Norman has enough couches to hide behind to escape those two in full flight...
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@donsteppa said in NZ cricket 2021:
@snowy said in NZ cricket 2021:
@donsteppa said in NZ cricket 2021:
Wasim and Waqar. The '93 chase at Seddon Park v Pakistan is the reason why I will never be able to relax in a small run chase ever
I can lend you an extra sofa Don.
Not even Harvey Norman has enough couches to hide behind to escape those two in full flight...
I remember the ads before they arrived. Something about 160kph from both of them, missing the point that they both shifted it sideways as well, but it was a good promotion, even if a little exaggerated.
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@donsteppa said in NZ cricket 2021:
@synicbast said in NZ cricket 2021:
I always felt a bit sorry for Parore being asked to jump about the order - I mean they asked him to bat #3 vs attacks of the quality of 90s Pakistan and South Africa FFS. He never achieved his real potential as a batsman TBH, though he was probably more technically sound than 5/6ths of the other batsmen in his team.
Slightly tongue in cheek, I vaguely remember a few occasions where Parore was holding a technically perfect defensive shot while the stumps were broken behind him. Probably a reflection of both his technique and the quality of the bowlers around back then.
Wasim and Waqar. The '93 chase at Seddon Park v Pakistan is the reason why I will never be able to relax in a small run chase ever
Waqar didn’t actually open the bowling interestingly enough. Aaqib Javed did. I remember that game very well, With a line up consisting of Blair Hartland, Rod Latham, Ken Rutherford, Chris Harris, Murphy Sua, Dipak Patel and Michael Owens did we expect any other result ?
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@bovidae said in NZ cricket 2021:
As I have mentioned before I was at the test. No sofas to hide behind in sight. I remember Waqar bowling Latham very well.
Morrison bowled really well in this test, for no reward.
Pretty standard for most of his career to be fair, always a guy I admired lots.
None other than Allan Border said he was one of the toughest bowlers he ever faced which considering the era AB played was a pretty incredible compliment !
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@mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:
@donsteppa said in NZ cricket 2021:
@synicbast said in NZ cricket 2021:
I always felt a bit sorry for Parore being asked to jump about the order - I mean they asked him to bat #3 vs attacks of the quality of 90s Pakistan and South Africa FFS. He never achieved his real potential as a batsman TBH, though he was probably more technically sound than 5/6ths of the other batsmen in his team.
Slightly tongue in cheek, I vaguely remember a few occasions where Parore was holding a technically perfect defensive shot while the stumps were broken behind him. Probably a reflection of both his technique and the quality of the bowlers around back then.
Wasim and Waqar. The '93 chase at Seddon Park v Pakistan is the reason why I will never be able to relax in a small run chase ever
Waqar didn’t actually open the bowling interestingly enough. Aaqib Javed did. I remember that game very well, With a line up consisting of Blair Hartland, Rod Latham, Ken Rutherford, Chris Harris, Murphy Sua, Dipak Patel and Michael Owens did we expect any other result ?
Given we also played Andrew Jones, Mark Greatbatch, and Adam Parore, yes, we did expect a slightly higher second innings total at the time.
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@donsteppa said in NZ cricket 2021:
@mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:
@donsteppa said in NZ cricket 2021:
@synicbast said in NZ cricket 2021:
I always felt a bit sorry for Parore being asked to jump about the order - I mean they asked him to bat #3 vs attacks of the quality of 90s Pakistan and South Africa FFS. He never achieved his real potential as a batsman TBH, though he was probably more technically sound than 5/6ths of the other batsmen in his team.
Slightly tongue in cheek, I vaguely remember a few occasions where Parore was holding a technically perfect defensive shot while the stumps were broken behind him. Probably a reflection of both his technique and the quality of the bowlers around back then.
Wasim and Waqar. The '93 chase at Seddon Park v Pakistan is the reason why I will never be able to relax in a small run chase ever
Waqar didn’t actually open the bowling interestingly enough. Aaqib Javed did. I remember that game very well, With a line up consisting of Blair Hartland, Rod Latham, Ken Rutherford, Chris Harris, Murphy Sua, Dipak Patel and Michael Owens did we expect any other result ?
Given we also played Andrew Jones, Mark Greatbatch, and Adam Parore, yes, we did expect a slightly higher second innings total at the time.
I remember that game. Still makes me nervous when we walk out to bat on the final day of a test
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@donsteppa said in NZ cricket 2021:
@mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:
@donsteppa said in NZ cricket 2021:
@synicbast said in NZ cricket 2021:
I always felt a bit sorry for Parore being asked to jump about the order - I mean they asked him to bat #3 vs attacks of the quality of 90s Pakistan and South Africa FFS. He never achieved his real potential as a batsman TBH, though he was probably more technically sound than 5/6ths of the other batsmen in his team.
Slightly tongue in cheek, I vaguely remember a few occasions where Parore was holding a technically perfect defensive shot while the stumps were broken behind him. Probably a reflection of both his technique and the quality of the bowlers around back then.
Wasim and Waqar. The '93 chase at Seddon Park v Pakistan is the reason why I will never be able to relax in a small run chase ever
Waqar didn’t actually open the bowling interestingly enough. Aaqib Javed did. I remember that game very well, With a line up consisting of Blair Hartland, Rod Latham, Ken Rutherford, Chris Harris, Murphy Sua, Dipak Patel and Michael Owens did we expect any other result ?
Given we also played Andrew Jones, Mark Greatbatch, and Adam Parore, yes, we did expect a slightly higher second innings total at the time.
Jones was a good un, the other two were massive underachievers at test level.
