Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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So, we're all in agreement of the starting "10" for the final, yes?
The 5th bowler is the quandary so I guess we just support that guy and hope for a personal best performance (or at least not a personal worst
).C'mon Black !!
Ps. I'm doubtfully going for Colin, economy rate of 1.6 does a job for us, and maybe some quick runs...
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@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I don't get the criticism of England here. You have to play the cards you are dealt and that England batting order is very inexperienced and four guys were sitting on a pair. With Butler and Stokes fair enough, but here it would have been a fools errand - our strong suit against their weakest.
Isn't sport about winning?
So what was the point of Kane even doing a declaration.
It was piss poor by England, showing absolutely no guts or ticker from supposedly one of the games top echelon of teams. Pathetic.
@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I don't get the criticism of England here. You have to play the cards you are dealt and that England batting order is very inexperienced and four guys were sitting on a pair. With Butler and Stokes fair enough, but here it would have been a fools errand - our strong suit against their weakest.
Isn't sport about winning?
So what was the point of Kane even doing a declaration.
It was piss poor by England, showing absolutely no guts or ticker from supposedly one of the games top echelon of teams. Pathetic.
I don't think anyone is saying with Stokes and Butler out that this is a top echelon team? In a combined team we would take Root - and then have a long argument about the seam attack.
If England had have got off to a flier and been 80/0 after 15 overs I'm pretty sure the drawbridge would have come up real quick and it would have been negative stuff from Wagner to secure the draw - so lets not get too holier than thou on this one. Along the same lines if Kane was so gung ho about winning they could have been more aggressive with their approach and batting order in the first hour.
I'm disappointed that England did not take the bait, but I don't blame them.
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@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
How can you pick Santner for the WTC final if he just bowled on a fifth day wicket on a the same track against a worse batting order and offered two fifths of fuck all? Not that CdG is much better - but it surely has to be a four-prong pace attack for the final.
CDGH has test numbers pretty comparable to Ben Stokes which is kinda hilarious.
Santner is the kind of guy who needs to step up with the bat if he bowls with no threat. Which he seems to do every game. A duck last dig certainly doesn’t help matters. Both these guys are obvious weak points in an otherwise immensely strong team.
Mitch is a nothing selection. Shows no ambition whatsoever. If we pick a spinner it has to be someone who can take wickets. Otherwise why bother? Might as well take CDG or another slow medium all rounder who can bat better and to work through a few garbage overs
Gary Stead needs to read the fern cos I’m sick of us all posting this every season and nothing changing.
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Gary Stead needs to read the fern cos I’m sick of us all posting this every season and nothing changing.
At least he seems to have changed his position on Boult
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@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I don't get the criticism of England here. You have to play the cards you are dealt and that England batting order is very inexperienced and four guys were sitting on a pair. With Butler and Stokes fair enough, but here it would have been a fools errand - our strong suit against their weakest.
Isn't sport about winning?
So what was the point of Kane even doing a declaration.
It was piss poor by England, showing absolutely no guts or ticker from supposedly one of the games top echelon of teams. Pathetic.
I don't think anyone is saying with Stokes and Butler out that this is a top echelon team? In a combined team we would take Root - and then have a long argument about the seam attack.
If England had have got off to a flier and been 80/0 after 15 overs I'm pretty sure the drawbridge would have come up real quick and it would have been negative stuff from Wagner to secure the draw - so lets not get too holier than thou on this one. Along the same lines if Kane was so gung ho about winning they could have been more aggressive with their approach and batting order in the first hour.
I'm disappointed that England did not take the bait, but I don't blame them.
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I'm disappointed that England did not take the bait, but I don't blame them.
A lot of the criticism in England is as much about the entertainment aspect as anything. It might be smarter to bat for a draw but why would anyone watch that?
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@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I don't get the criticism of England here. You have to play the cards you are dealt and that England batting order is very inexperienced and four guys were sitting on a pair. With Butler and Stokes fair enough, but here it would have been a fools errand - our strong suit against their weakest.
Isn't sport about winning?
So what was the point of Kane even doing a declaration.
It was piss poor by England, showing absolutely no guts or ticker from supposedly one of the games top echelon of teams. Pathetic.
I don't think anyone is saying with Stokes and Butler out that this is a top echelon team? In a combined team we would take Root - and then have a long argument about the seam attack.
If England had have got off to a flier and been 80/0 after 15 overs I'm pretty sure the drawbridge would have come up real quick and it would have been negative stuff from Wagner to secure the draw - so lets not get too holier than thou on this one. Along the same lines if Kane was so gung ho about winning they could have been more aggressive with their approach and batting order in the first hour.
I'm disappointed that England did not take the bait, but I don't blame them.
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I don't get the criticism of England here. You have to play the cards you are dealt and that England batting order is very inexperienced and four guys were sitting on a pair. With Butler and Stokes fair enough, but here it would have been a fools errand - our strong suit against their weakest.
Isn't sport about winning?
So what was the point of Kane even doing a declaration.
It was piss poor by England, showing absolutely no guts or ticker from supposedly one of the games top echelon of teams. Pathetic.
I don't think anyone is saying with Stokes and Butler out that this is a top echelon team? In a combined team we would take Root - and then have a long argument about the seam attack.
If they aren’t a top echelon team then why are they, along with India and Oz the self elected global co ordinaries. Why do they play 4/5 match series and then give us only 2?
If England had have got off to a flier and been 80/0 after 15 overs I'm pretty sure the drawbridge would have come up real quick and it would have been negative stuff from Wagner to secure the draw - so lets not get too holier than thou on this one.
Sorry what? Holier than thou on your guess of a scenario? That doesn’t make sense. Reverse situation I’d be equally hard on Kane.
Along the same lines if Kane was so gung ho about winning they could have been more aggressive with their approach and batting order in the first hour.
Um, we were ahead. So we got to dictate the game. We then offered them a chance to go for it - sporting. They elected to not take it.
I'm disappointed that England did not take the bait, but I don't blame them.
Well who else are you going to blame then?
What’s the point on having courageous captains if one of the top teams, at the home of cricket, on a beautiful English summers day, is going to elect to play boring to safety.
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@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I don't get the criticism of England here. You have to play the cards you are dealt and that England batting order is very inexperienced and four guys were sitting on a pair. With Butler and Stokes fair enough, but here it would have been a fools errand - our strong suit against their weakest.
Isn't sport about winning?
So what was the point of Kane even doing a declaration.
It was piss poor by England, showing absolutely no guts or ticker from supposedly one of the games top echelon of teams. Pathetic.
I don't think anyone is saying with Stokes and Butler out that this is a top echelon team? In a combined team we would take Root - and then have a long argument about the seam attack.
If they aren’t a top echelon team then why are they, along with India and Oz the self elected global co ordinaries. Why do they play 4/5 match series and then give us only 2?
If England had have got off to a flier and been 80/0 after 15 overs I'm pretty sure the drawbridge would have come up real quick and it would have been negative stuff from Wagner to secure the draw - so lets not get too holier than thou on this one.
Sorry what? Holier than thou on your guess of a scenario? That doesn’t make sense. Reverse situation I’d be equally hard on Kane.
Along the same lines if Kane was so gung ho about winning they could have been more aggressive with their approach and batting order in the first hour.
Um, we were ahead. So we got to dictate the game. We then offered them a chance to go for it - sporting. They elected to not take it.
I'm disappointed that England did not take the bait, but I don't blame them.
Well who else are you going to blame then?
What’s the point on having courageous captains if one of the top teams, at the home of cricket, on a beautiful English summers day, is going to elect to play boring to safety.
@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
If they aren’t a top echelon team then why are they, along with India and Oz the self elected global co ordinaries. Why do they play 4/5 match series and then give us only 2?
I don't think the geopolitics of cricket played much a role in Root's decision. He likely looked at his batting order and thought that they weren't up for it.
If w e played that game as scheduled without our IPL contingent (Williamson, Conway, Jaimeson & obviously Boult still) I sure wouldn't be saying "well we are the number one side in the world we should be throwing our weight around here"
Sorry what? Holier than thou on your guess of a scenario? That doesn’t make sense. Reverse situation I’d be equally hard on Kane.
The point is Kane wasn't going to attack against all logic and common sense. If England started to sniff it you would have blamed Kane if he stopped going for the win and started to play for the draw? I guess we can blame him for offering the draw early too - especially with a bowler in the side capable of taking five first class wickets in six balls. He denied us one of the great test cricket collapses in history.
Um, we were ahead. So we got to dictate the game. We then offered them a chance to go for it - sporting. They elected to not take it.
Exactly - we offered the declaration on our terms and they said no thanks. We could have made an even more sporting declaration if we batted more aggressively and they may have taken it.
Well who else are you going to blame then?
What’s the point on having courageous captains if one of the top teams, at the home of cricket, on a beautiful English summers day, is going to elect to play boring to safety.
I would blame losing a full day to rain.
I thought it was a smart declaration, but hardly courageous (but definitely more ballsy than most test captains in the past thirty years). I don't see any way that batting order gets those runs without our bowlers having a mare. Even if England got off to a good start we would have been well placed to dry up the runs and I don't see any batsman there who could have forced the issue like a Stokes or Butler.
I guess we will agree to disagree on this one.
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@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
If they aren’t a top echelon team then why are they, along with India and Oz the self elected global co ordinaries. Why do they play 4/5 match series and then give us only 2?
I don't think the geopolitics of cricket played much a role in Root's decision. He likely looked at his batting order and thought that they weren't up for it.
If w e played that game as scheduled without our IPL contingent (Williamson, Conway, Jaimeson & obviously Boult still) I sure wouldn't be saying "well we are the number one side in the world we should be throwing our weight around here"
Sorry what? Holier than thou on your guess of a scenario? That doesn’t make sense. Reverse situation I’d be equally hard on Kane.
The point is Kane wasn't going to attack against all logic and common sense. If England started to sniff it you would have blamed Kane if he stopped going for the win and started to play for the draw? I guess we can blame him for offering the draw early too - especially with a bowler in the side capable of taking five first class wickets in six balls. He denied us one of the great test cricket collapses in history.
Um, we were ahead. So we got to dictate the game. We then offered them a chance to go for it - sporting. They elected to not take it.
Exactly - we offered the declaration on our terms and they said no thanks. We could have made an even more sporting declaration if we batted more aggressively and they may have taken it.
Well who else are you going to blame then?
What’s the point on having courageous captains if one of the top teams, at the home of cricket, on a beautiful English summers day, is going to elect to play boring to safety.
I would blame losing a full day to rain.
I thought it was a smart declaration, but hardly courageous (but definitely more ballsy than most test captains in the past thirty years). I don't see any way that batting order gets those runs without our bowlers having a mare. Even if England got off to a good start we would have been well placed to dry up the runs and I don't see any batsman there who could have forced the issue like a Stokes or Butler.
I guess we will agree to disagree on this one.
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this is the face of a middle aged accountant who is in training to finish an Iron Man
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this is the face of a middle aged accountant who is in training to finish an Iron Man
@mariner4life said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
this is the face of a middle aged accountant who is in training to finish an Iron Man
Or the one who does a lot of ecstasy on his weekends off
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this is the face of a middle aged accountant who is in training to finish an Iron Man
@mariner4life very well done. Self deprecating humour always rocks!
. I feel sure you would've chased down 4 an over! -
this is the face of a middle aged accountant who is in training to finish an Iron Man
@mariner4life said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
this is the face of a middle aged accountant who is in training to finish an Iron Man
You mean you?
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@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
If they aren’t a top echelon team then why are they, along with India and Oz the self elected global co ordinaries. Why do they play 4/5 match series and then give us only 2?
I don't think the geopolitics of cricket played much a role in Root's decision. He likely looked at his batting order and thought that they weren't up for it.
If w e played that game as scheduled without our IPL contingent (Williamson, Conway, Jaimeson & obviously Boult still) I sure wouldn't be saying "well we are the number one side in the world we should be throwing our weight around here"
Sorry what? Holier than thou on your guess of a scenario? That doesn’t make sense. Reverse situation I’d be equally hard on Kane.
The point is Kane wasn't going to attack against all logic and common sense. If England started to sniff it you would have blamed Kane if he stopped going for the win and started to play for the draw? I guess we can blame him for offering the draw early too - especially with a bowler in the side capable of taking five first class wickets in six balls. He denied us one of the great test cricket collapses in history.
Um, we were ahead. So we got to dictate the game. We then offered them a chance to go for it - sporting. They elected to not take it.
Exactly - we offered the declaration on our terms and they said no thanks. We could have made an even more sporting declaration if we batted more aggressively and they may have taken it.
Well who else are you going to blame then?
What’s the point on having courageous captains if one of the top teams, at the home of cricket, on a beautiful English summers day, is going to elect to play boring to safety.
I would blame losing a full day to rain.
I thought it was a smart declaration, but hardly courageous (but definitely more ballsy than most test captains in the past thirty years). I don't see any way that batting order gets those runs without our bowlers having a mare. Even if England got off to a good start we would have been well placed to dry up the runs and I don't see any batsman there who could have forced the issue like a Stokes or Butler.
I guess we will agree to disagree on this one.
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Does anyone here think a SINGLE fan would have declined to watch England at Edgbaston if Robinson was playing?
@pakman said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Does anyone here think a SINGLE fan would have declined to watch England at Edgbaston if Robinson was playing?
I would doubt it very much. The whole thing has now escalated with the culture secretary and then Boris suggesting (quite rightly IMO) that the suspension is totally over the top. The trouble is this has now given the whole issue a new set of wings and more people are weighing into it. The suspension has been handed down, just let it lie and allow Robinson to get on with his life and his career.
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@pakman said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
A second non-compliant English cricketing twit has been uncovered..,
Doesn't Kane Williamson have an embarrassing social media post from when he was like 13 years old? Not of the racist or sexist variety.
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