Americas Cup
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more speculation it's heading to the UK
not sure i like this
Wheatley felt Team New Zealand were finding commercial deals tough to make in the current tight financial environment and, mischievously or not, aired speculation that Swiss billionaire Ernesto Bertarelli, the Alinghi boss who famously ripped the champion Kiwi team of 1995 and 2000 apart, could come to their aid. “Cue the benefactor source of last resort – a bored billionaire – and oh how one of Swiss descendancy might well be licking his lips at a turn-key proposal that just needs the rocket fuel of cash, of which he has plenty, to scoop up and turn into commercial and sporting gold,” Wheatley wrote on Rule69blog.@kiwiwomble so they are getting thier rich mates to fill the gap of the 1/4 of a billion the NZ Govt and Auckland Council contribute?
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@kiwiwomble so they are getting thier rich mates to fill the gap of the 1/4 of a billion the NZ Govt and Auckland Council contribute?
@taniwharugby i don't mind a bored billionaire coming in if it means the taxpayer doesn't foot the bill...but Bertarelli?
It must be hard for lots of reasons finding sponsors at the moment
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@taniwharugby i don't mind a bored billionaire coming in if it means the taxpayer doesn't foot the bill...but Bertarelli?
It must be hard for lots of reasons finding sponsors at the moment
@kiwiwomble yeah thats what I was gettign at, more i hope they dont come calling to the Govt for any funding this time, other than what any NZ sports team might get when competing overseas.
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@kiwiwomble yeah thats what I was gettign at, more i hope they dont come calling to the Govt for any funding this time, other than what any NZ sports team might get when competing overseas.
@taniwharugby im happy if they dont get anything if they take it overseas, its one thing to get that same kind of money as anyone else when going to compete in someone else's event, but theyre in control and if they choose to go overseas then i think they need to find it themselves
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That might be better in absolute crap stuff NZ thread.
I just read sailing journo makes shit up to sell an article. He even admits it:
“We’ve been this way before. In the absolute vacuum of real information, conjecture creeps in like an unwelcome leak in a starboard window. But it’s there and collective breaths are being held as the brinksmanship takes things to the wire.
I also agree @Kiwiwomble they shouldn't get cent unless it is held here.
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@taniwharugby i don't mind a bored billionaire coming in if it means the taxpayer doesn't foot the bill...but Bertarelli?
It must be hard for lots of reasons finding sponsors at the moment
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@taniwharugby i don't mind a bored billionaire coming in if it means the taxpayer doesn't foot the bill...but Bertarelli?
It must be hard for lots of reasons finding sponsors at the moment
People forget that he was a TNZ backer before he fucked us. Fool you once shame on him, fool you twice....
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@taniwharugby i don't mind a bored billionaire coming in if it means the taxpayer doesn't foot the bill...but Bertarelli?
It must be hard for lots of reasons finding sponsors at the moment
People forget that he was a TNZ backer before he fucked us. Fool you once shame on him, fool you twice....
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@canefan dont think i ever knew that, for like 1995?
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan dont think i ever knew that, for like 1995?
Gave them a loan in 2003 I think so that we could compete in Valencia.
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan dont think i ever knew that, for like 1995?
Gave them a loan in 2003 I think so that we could compete in Valencia.
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan dont think i ever knew that, for like 1995?
Gave them a loan in 2003 I think so that we could compete in Valencia.
OK, so I might have been talking out of my arse.....
Yes he gave them a loan, to get us there
He was considered a possible investor in the time preceding Coutts and Butterworth leaving, the other reference I could find for it is here
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/why-coutts-jumped-ship/GWS5A6LC6QBOQVDDLLECPGAUXU/
Unfortunately the crucial bit is at the start and is blocked out by NZH. Fanks
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@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan dont think i ever knew that, for like 1995?
Gave them a loan in 2003 I think so that we could compete in Valencia.
OK, so I might have been talking out of my arse.....
Yes he gave them a loan, to get us there
He was considered a possible investor in the time preceding Coutts and Butterworth leaving, the other reference I could find for it is here
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/why-coutts-jumped-ship/GWS5A6LC6QBOQVDDLLECPGAUXU/
Unfortunately the crucial bit is at the start and is blocked out by NZH. Fanks
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Pretty sure that the loan comment came from Butterworth when he sold out too and I wouldn't trust him either.
Complete snake pit.
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Pretty sure that the loan comment came from Butterworth when he sold out too and I wouldn't trust him either.
Complete snake pit.
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
Pretty sure that the loan comment came from Butterworth when he sold out too and I wouldn't trust him either.
Complete snake pit.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/bertarelli-millions-fund-team-nz/G3W756SIA64E5AW5NDZRBWOD2A/
Grant said it too. I think the sooner we get away from the idea that AC sailing is about nations vs nations the better. It's all about the money
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@snowy said in Americas Cup:
Pretty sure that the loan comment came from Butterworth when he sold out too and I wouldn't trust him either.
Complete snake pit.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/bertarelli-millions-fund-team-nz/G3W756SIA64E5AW5NDZRBWOD2A/
Grant said it too. I think the sooner we get away from the idea that AC sailing is about nations vs nations the better. It's all about the money
@canefan said in Americas Cup:
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
Pretty sure that the loan comment came from Butterworth when he sold out too and I wouldn't trust him either.
Complete snake pit.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/bertarelli-millions-fund-team-nz/G3W756SIA64E5AW5NDZRBWOD2A/
Grant said it too. I think the sooner we get away from the idea that AC sailing is about nations vs nations the better. It's all about the money
What was the rule that we introduced about nationality to stop some of that a few years back?
This will be the new one:
A new rule will require 100 per cent of the race crew for each competitor to either be a passport holder of the country of the team’s yacht club as of Friday [March 19] or to have been physically present in that country for two of the previous three years before March 18.
An exception will be made, with a discretionary provision allowing a quota of non-nationals on the race crew for competitors from “Emerging Nations”. -
@canefan said in Americas Cup:
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
Pretty sure that the loan comment came from Butterworth when he sold out too and I wouldn't trust him either.
Complete snake pit.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/bertarelli-millions-fund-team-nz/G3W756SIA64E5AW5NDZRBWOD2A/
Grant said it too. I think the sooner we get away from the idea that AC sailing is about nations vs nations the better. It's all about the money
What was the rule that we introduced about nationality to stop some of that a few years back?
This will be the new one:
A new rule will require 100 per cent of the race crew for each competitor to either be a passport holder of the country of the team’s yacht club as of Friday [March 19] or to have been physically present in that country for two of the previous three years before March 18.
An exception will be made, with a discretionary provision allowing a quota of non-nationals on the race crew for competitors from “Emerging Nations”.@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@canefan said in Americas Cup:
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
Pretty sure that the loan comment came from Butterworth when he sold out too and I wouldn't trust him either.
Complete snake pit.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/bertarelli-millions-fund-team-nz/G3W756SIA64E5AW5NDZRBWOD2A/
Grant said it too. I think the sooner we get away from the idea that AC sailing is about nations vs nations the better. It's all about the money
What was the rule that we introduced about nationality to stop some of that a few years back?
This will be the new one:
A new rule will require 100 per cent of the race crew for each competitor to either be a passport holder of the country of the team’s yacht club as of Friday [March 19] or to have been physically present in that country for two of the previous three years before March 18.
An exception will be made, with a discretionary provision allowing a quota of non-nationals on the race crew for competitors from “Emerging Nations”.Trying to bring it back to a national contest. Which funnily enough is the vision Coutts has with Sailing GP
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Yes that is the plan I believe. The irony of Coutts trying to make anything national is beyond belief.
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I do love some AC drama, this is interesting if true, i know they have to be sponsored by a yacht club and would be huge if they were to move away from RNZYS
I dont know what the agreement between ETNS and RNZYS looks like, is it pretty symbolic or does RNZYS has some sort of influence on ETNZ...is it in perpetuity or is it a event to event kind of deal
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I do love some AC drama, this is interesting if true, i know they have to be sponsored by a yacht club and would be huge if they were to move away from RNZYS
I dont know what the agreement between ETNS and RNZYS looks like, is it pretty symbolic or does RNZYS has some sort of influence on ETNZ...is it in perpetuity or is it a event to event kind of deal
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
I do love some AC drama, this is interesting if true, i know they have to be sponsored by a yacht club and would be huge if they were to move away from RNZYS
I dont know what the agreement between ETNS and RNZYS looks like, is it pretty symbolic or does RNZYS has some sort of influence on ETNZ...is it in perpetuity or is it a event to event kind of deal
If TNZ won the cup under the entry of the RNZYS then surely they have to keep depending it as such don't they?
Isn't the AC held between YCs and not 'teams'?
