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    @rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:

    @bovidae said in Olympics Thread:

    There will be some huge Chinese, Russian or Bulgarian women who will lift more tin.

    The Russians and Bulgarians didn’t win a single weightlifting medal in Rio.

    There wasn't a super heavyweight division in Rio. At the last World Championships in 2019 the top 3 were from China (x2) and Russia.

    If you want a comparison, at the 2019 WC Hubbard's total was 285 kg and she finished 6th. The 3rd place getter lifted a combined 311 kg. The winner lifted 332 kg.

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    @rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:

    @bovidae said in Olympics Thread:

    There will be some huge Chinese, Russian or Bulgarian women who will lift more tin.

    The Russians and Bulgarians didn’t win a single weightlifting medal in Rio.

    At any rate, it’s ridiculous that she’s even a medal contender. How many sports other than maybe shooting or equestrian even have a 43 year old competing?

    44 year old MN5 finally gives up hope of a comeback…..

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    @mn5 said in Olympics Thread:

    @rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:

    @bovidae said in Olympics Thread:

    There will be some huge Chinese, Russian or Bulgarian women who will lift more tin.

    The Russians and Bulgarians didn’t win a single weightlifting medal in Rio.

    At any rate, it’s ridiculous that she’s even a medal contender. How many sports other than maybe shooting or equestrian even have a 43 year old competing?

    44 year old MN5 finally gives up hope of a comeback…..

    The op is still an option by the look of it.

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    @crucial said in Olympics Thread:

    @mn5 said in Olympics Thread:

    @rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:

    @bovidae said in Olympics Thread:

    There will be some huge Chinese, Russian or Bulgarian women who will lift more tin.

    The Russians and Bulgarians didn’t win a single weightlifting medal in Rio.

    At any rate, it’s ridiculous that she’s even a medal contender. How many sports other than maybe shooting or equestrian even have a 43 year old competing?

    44 year old MN5 finally gives up hope of a comeback…..

    The op is still an option by the look of it.

    Are you assuming my gender ?

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    @mn5 said in Olympics Thread:

    @crucial said in Olympics Thread:

    @mn5 said in Olympics Thread:

    @rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:

    @bovidae said in Olympics Thread:

    There will be some huge Chinese, Russian or Bulgarian women who will lift more tin.

    The Russians and Bulgarians didn’t win a single weightlifting medal in Rio.

    At any rate, it’s ridiculous that she’s even a medal contender. How many sports other than maybe shooting or equestrian even have a 43 year old competing?

    44 year old MN5 finally gives up hope of a comeback…..

    The op is still an option by the look of it.

    Are you assuming my gender ?

    Only because you seem to do so yourself.

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    @crucial said in Olympics Thread:

    @mn5 said in Olympics Thread:

    @crucial said in Olympics Thread:

    @mn5 said in Olympics Thread:

    @rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:

    @bovidae said in Olympics Thread:

    There will be some huge Chinese, Russian or Bulgarian women who will lift more tin.

    The Russians and Bulgarians didn’t win a single weightlifting medal in Rio.

    At any rate, it’s ridiculous that she’s even a medal contender. How many sports other than maybe shooting or equestrian even have a 43 year old competing?

    44 year old MN5 finally gives up hope of a comeback…..

    The op is still an option by the look of it.

    Are you assuming my gender ?

    Only because you seem to do so yourself.

    I’ll invent my own and then invent a sport to compete in.

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    replied to Bovidae on last edited by
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    @bovidae arent 3 of the main contendors out for various reasons?

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    @bovidae said in Olympics Thread:

    @rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:

    @bovidae said in Olympics Thread:

    There will be some huge Chinese, Russian or Bulgarian women who will lift more tin.

    The Russians and Bulgarians didn’t win a single weightlifting medal in Rio.

    There wasn't a super heavyweight division in Rio. At the last World Championships in 2019 the top 3 were from China (x2) and Russia.

    If you want a comparison, at the 2019 WC Hubbard's total was 285 kg and she finished 6th. The 3rd place getter lifted a combined 311 kg. The winner lifted 332 kg.

    There was really. That was the +75kg division. I think the woman who won gold medalled at the WC as well. Not a Bulgarian to be seen either 😜. Any idea what Hubbard’s latest lifts have been? In 2019 she would probably not have been 100% recovered from that serious injury at the Comm games.

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    @taniwharugby The top Chinese women is still competing. The same article says Hubbard is only ranked 15th.

    Although she won a silver medal in the 87-plus kilogram weight class at the world championships four years ago, she is ranked 15th in her weight division according to IWF’s Olympic qualifications. Her best combined lift in 2020 was 270 kilos, a massive 55kg short of the world record set by China’s Li Wenwen in Tashkent two months ago.

    @Rancid-Schnitzel I was just choosing a random Eastern European country. Belarus would have done too! 😉

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    @rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:

    @bovidae said in Olympics Thread:

    @rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:

    @bovidae said in Olympics Thread:

    There will be some huge Chinese, Russian or Bulgarian women who will lift more tin.

    The Russians and Bulgarians didn’t win a single weightlifting medal in Rio.

    There wasn't a super heavyweight division in Rio. At the last World Championships in 2019 the top 3 were from China (x2) and Russia.

    If you want a comparison, at the 2019 WC Hubbard's total was 285 kg and she finished 6th. The 3rd place getter lifted a combined 311 kg. The winner lifted 332 kg.

    There was really. That was the +75kg division. I think the woman who won gold medalled at the WC as well. Not a Bulgarian to be seen either 😜. Any idea what Hubbard’s latest lifts have been? In 2019 she would probably not have been 100% recovered from that serious injury at the Comm games.

    I’d give my left nut to compete at the Olympics, In Laurels case it’s both nuts.

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    @bovidae said in Olympics Thread:

    @taniwharugby The top Chinese women is still competing. The same article says Hubbard is only ranked 15th.

    Although she won a silver medal in the 87-plus kilogram weight class at the world championships four years ago, she is ranked 15th in her weight division according to IWF’s Olympic qualifications. Her best combined lift in 2020 was 270 kilos, a massive 55kg short of the world record set by China’s Li Wenwen in Tashkent two months ago.

    @Rancid-Schnitzel I was just choosing a random Eastern European country. Belarus would have done too! 😉

    I remember that Bulgaria dominated in the 80s and 90s but iirc their entire team was banned for an Olympics because of drugs. I suppose one thing that could be said in Hubbard’s defence is that she’s likely the only one of the medal contenders who isn’t on the gear.

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    @rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:

    @bovidae said in Olympics Thread:

    @taniwharugby The top Chinese women is still competing. The same article says Hubbard is only ranked 15th.

    Although she won a silver medal in the 87-plus kilogram weight class at the world championships four years ago, she is ranked 15th in her weight division according to IWF’s Olympic qualifications. Her best combined lift in 2020 was 270 kilos, a massive 55kg short of the world record set by China’s Li Wenwen in Tashkent two months ago.

    @Rancid-Schnitzel I was just choosing a random Eastern European country. Belarus would have done too! 😉

    I remember that Bulgaria dominated in the 80s and 90s but iirc their entire team was banned for an Olympics because of drugs. I suppose one thing that could be said in Hubbard’s defence is that she’s likely the only one of the medal contenders who isn’t on the gear.

    She will have a higher testosterone level though

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    @rancid-schnitzel said in Trans in sport:

    How many sports other than maybe shooting or equestrian even have a 43 year old competing?

    Hi, longtime lurker, firsttime caller here.

    Short memories, but it was only a couple months ago that a 43 year old Tom Brady won a Superbowl.

    I can’t say for certain that the quality of male athletes that Brady faced is stiffer than the quality of female athletes that Ms Hubbard (Old Mother Hubbard?) will be competing against at the Olympics, but Laurel might be the greatest female athlete since Caitlyn Jenner and will crush her competition and I expect to see her on the podium.

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    @booboo said in Trans in sport:

    @mofitzy_ said in Olympics Thread:

    @canefan
    Embarrassing, just hope we don't medal in that event.

    Part of me wants zher to smash the comp to pieces, to highlight the ridiculousness.

    Me too. Clownworld.

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    @kid-chocolate said in Trans in sport:

    @rancid-schnitzel said in Trans in sport:

    How many sports other than maybe shooting or equestrian even have a 43 year old competing?

    Hi, longtime lurker, firsttime caller here.

    Short memories, but it was only a couple months ago that a 43 year old Tom Brady won a Superbowl.

    I can’t say for certain that the quality of male athletes that Brady faced is stiffer than the quality of female athletes that Ms Hubbard (Old Mother Hubbard?) will be competing against at the Olympics, but Laurel might be the greatest female athlete since Caitlyn Jenner and will crush her competition and I expect to see her on the podium.

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    @frank said in Trans in sport:

    @booboo said in Trans in sport:

    @mofitzy_ said in Olympics Thread:

    @canefan
    Embarrassing, just hope we don't medal in that event.

    Part of me wants zher to smash the comp to pieces, to highlight the ridiculousness.

    Me too. Clownworld.

    I genuinely feel sorry for her, i dont agree that she should be competing though, not with other woman i mean.
    But shes just doing wha she wants to do, she must have really thick skin to put up with this. The spotlight will only shine brighter on her once she gets to Tokyo.

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    @virgil said in Trans in sport:

    I genuinely feel sorry for her

    I don't. Women's sport is reserved for women, not men who wear lippy and heels.

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    @virgil said in Trans in sport:

    I genuinely feel sorry for her, i dont agree that she should be competing though, not with other woman i mean.

    I am reminded of the time that ancient 56 year old parttimer Bobby Riggs lost to Billie Jean King (29yo) in the infamous “battle of the sexes” in 1973. That match was a lot closer than people remember and King was World #2. People also forget that match came as a sequel to Riggs defeating the world #1 Margaret Court earlier that same year. She was 26 years younger than Riggs, a parttimer, and she was World’s Numero Uno Female Player.

    If an old man who plays tennis part time can beat world’s No. 1 female…

    I am reminded of several years ago the FIFA World Champion womans team USA got reamed 5-2 by a team of 14-year-old boys high-schoolers.

    Given these historical precedents, I fully expect Laurel to destroy her comp, and it won’t even be close.

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    Not as dark a day, by any stretch, as provoking the Africans to boycott 1976. But the lowest NZ Olympic moment since then.

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    Weightlifters peak mid to late 20s, after which their muscle mass decreases as they get older. If Hubbard was in her mid 20s it would be even more ridiculous. That said, a 43 year old weightlifter competing the Olympics is an absolute farce in itself.

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