All Blacks vs Fiji
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@tim said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
An idiot:
He should have retired in 2015. Although that might have inflicted Foster on us even earlier.
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@stargazer know it looks bad. But McKenzie drops in tackle, and primary contact was body on body with arm wrapping high. If he had hit him with arm in the head he would have lost a week.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
https://twitter.com/ultimaterugby/status/1413774101307695106
High and no arms
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@number9 eh? Our bench was the only good thing in that game from our POV.
Bench like coaching was shite, this is the ABs that was pathetic. Coles scored 4 and thr Fijian scored through a rolling maul.
@number9 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@number9 eh? Our bench was the only good thing in that game from our POV.
Bench like coaching was shite, this is the ABs that was pathetic. Coles scored 4 and thr Fijian scored through a rolling maul.
dominated the maul enough to ge ta penalty try - that's some good forward work right there. This Fiji side could be a dark horse if they get some time together, some very good players there, and some very good coaches.
Vern Cotter is a seriously good coach with strnog pedigree.
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@kev Last camera angle shows direct contact with the head. Dmac lowering body position is mitigation. I think it should have been a yellow.
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kev Last camera angle shows direct contact with the head. Dmac lowering body position is mitigation. I think it should have been a yellow.
My main thing was initial contact was body to body and he didn’t aim high. Mixed thoughts - protect the player, but for me it was a great dominant tackle. That’s what Rugby is about.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
https://twitter.com/ultimaterugby/status/1413774101307695106
Clear red card.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kev Last camera angle shows direct contact with the head. Dmac lowering body position is mitigation. I think it should have been a yellow.
My main thing was initial contact was body to body and he didn’t aim high. Mixed thoughts - protect the player, but for me it was a great dominant tackle. That’s what Rugby is about.
@kev said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kev Last camera angle shows direct contact with the head. Dmac lowering body position is mitigation. I think it should have been a yellow.
My main thing was initial contact was body to body and he didn’t aim high. Mixed thoughts - protect the player, but for me it was a great dominant tackle. That’s what Rugby is about.
I don't agree with any of this, yellow all day for me.
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I’m really liking Blackadder the Younger. I’d love to see him, Dalton and Akira in the loose. Then bring on Ardie in the second half. Frizzell just doesn’t have it and I’m leaning that way on Sotutu.
It’s a bit concerning that 50 year old Sam Whitelock is the best lock by a proverbial country mile. Hopefully Retallick can get back to speed. Patty T isn’t consistent enough and Scott B gets sent off.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kev Last camera angle shows direct contact with the head. Dmac lowering body position is mitigation. I think it should have been a yellow.
My main thing was initial contact was body to body and he didn’t aim high. Mixed thoughts - protect the player, but for me it was a great dominant tackle. That’s what Rugby is about.
@kev guess the thing is, Dmac is already a lower target, he was low before the guy even lined him up...ideally, for the game next week he doesnt cop a ban because he is a good player, but in reality, I cant see how he doesnt get a break.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kev Last camera angle shows direct contact with the head. Dmac lowering body position is mitigation. I think it should have been a yellow.
My main thing was initial contact was body to body and he didn’t aim high. Mixed thoughts - protect the player, but for me it was a great dominant tackle. That’s what Rugby is about.
@kev said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kev Last camera angle shows direct contact with the head. Dmac lowering body position is mitigation. I think it should have been a yellow.
My main thing was initial contact was body to body and he didn’t aim high. Mixed thoughts - protect the player, but for me it was a great dominant tackle. That’s what Rugby is about.
Process is pretty clear though - head contact, high degree of danger, it's red or maaaybe yellow. World Rugby are trying to take these hits out of the game,a nd putting the responsibility on teh tackler. It's only going to work if people actually believe that anyone who goes high is going to get pinged - otherwise the risk/reward is unbalanced.
It's ... just that they don't seem to care to apply their own framework.
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@tj said Just realised, weren't they meant to have 'vaccinate Fiji' on their jerseys?
Dumb ass Religious anti vacc influence sadly -
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/300354390/its-a-tragedy-fijian-team-ditches-plan-to-wear-vaccinate-jerseys-against-all-blacks -
@kev said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kev Last camera angle shows direct contact with the head. Dmac lowering body position is mitigation. I think it should have been a yellow.
My main thing was initial contact was body to body and he didn’t aim high. Mixed thoughts - protect the player, but for me it was a great dominant tackle. That’s what Rugby is about.
Process is pretty clear though - head contact, high degree of danger, it's red or maaaybe yellow. World Rugby are trying to take these hits out of the game,a nd putting the responsibility on teh tackler. It's only going to work if people actually believe that anyone who goes high is going to get pinged - otherwise the risk/reward is unbalanced.
It's ... just that they don't seem to care to apply their own framework.
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Really liked Fijian energy with and with out ball.
For ABs, many things worry me but most worrying is: surely we wouldn't put out a far better team against Tonga? Or is that a clever Foster tactic?Props, cupboard is bare and replacements aren't hungry enough (liked De Groot's mobility though)
Locks: Whitelock 1st on the team list for me.
Blackadder I suspect better at 6 than 7
Dalton best 7 over 2 games and probably would make one of the better 6s (SF looks the part doesn't play the part)
Jacobson>Sotutu and don't play HS with SF
10: BB's kicking and some optiontaking still worries me. Don't think Richie will be too worried but again he still needs to prove he can insert himself in tough matches.
12/13 DH and ALB for me. Ioane still needs to pass and defend consistently.
We don't know who our wings are, best creator was the replacement hooker.
FB: not such a worry, plenty of contenders.
Coaching: highly consistent. Consistently mediocre.@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Really liked Fijian energy with and with out ball.
For ABs, many things worry me but most worrying is: surely we wouldn't put out a far better team against Tonga? Or is that a clever Foster tactic?Props, cupboard is bare and replacements aren't hungry enough (liked De Groot's mobility though)
Locks: Whitelock 1st on the team list for me.
Blackadder I suspect better at 6 than 7
Dalton best 7 over 2 games and probably would make one of the better 6s (SF looks the part doesn't play the part)
Jacobson>Sotutu and don't play HS with SF
10: BB's kicking and some optiontaking still worries me. Don't think Richie will be too worried but again he still needs to prove he can insert himself in tough matches.
12/13 DH and ALB for me. Ioane still needs to pass and defend consistently.
We don't know who our wings are, best creator was the replacement hooker.
FB: not such a worry, plenty of contenders.
Coaching: highly consistent. Consistently mediocre.Great analysis spot on IMO
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yeah certainly feels like they have gone back on thier stance on head contact, which did border on ridiculous at one point, to now ridiculous they arent being looked at properly
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
yeah certainly feels like they have gone back on thier stance on head contact, which did border on ridiculous to now ridiculous they arent being looked at properly
from the bizarre to the ridiculous
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@kev guess the thing is, Dmac is already a lower target, he was low before the guy even lined him up...ideally, for the game next week he doesnt cop a ban because he is a good player, but in reality, I cant see how he doesnt get a break.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kev guess the thing is, Dmac is already a lower target, he was low before the guy even lined him up...ideally he doesnt cop a ban because he is a good player, but in reality, I cant see how he doesnt get a break.
It’s a hard one. These things happen so quickly. DMAC got up with no problems which would say despite how he looks he didn’t actually catch him. Like you say, he might get time.
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kev Last camera angle shows direct contact with the head. Dmac lowering body position is mitigation. I think it should have been a yellow.
My main thing was initial contact was body to body and he didn’t aim high. Mixed thoughts - protect the player, but for me it was a great dominant tackle. That’s what Rugby is about.
Process is pretty clear though - head contact, high degree of danger, it's red or maaaybe yellow. World Rugby are trying to take these hits out of the game,a nd putting the responsibility on teh tackler. It's only going to work if people actually believe that anyone who goes high is going to get pinged - otherwise the risk/reward is unbalanced.
It's ... just that they don't seem to care to apply their own framework.
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kev Last camera angle shows direct contact with the head. Dmac lowering body position is mitigation. I think it should have been a yellow.
My main thing was initial contact was body to body and he didn’t aim high. Mixed thoughts - protect the player, but for me it was a great dominant tackle. That’s what Rugby is about.
Process is pretty clear though - head contact, high degree of danger, it's red or maaaybe yellow. World Rugby are trying to take these hits out of the game,a nd putting the responsibility on teh tackler. It's only going to work if people actually believe that anyone who goes high is going to get pinged - otherwise the risk/reward is unbalanced.
It's ... just that they don't seem to care to apply their own framework.
On a second or third look it looks like he is attempting to go low into the tackle, DMac makes it look worse by hesitating and trying to change direction or brace for the impact
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@tj said Just realised, weren't they meant to have 'vaccinate Fiji' on their jerseys?
Dumb ass Religious anti vacc influence sadly -
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/300354390/its-a-tragedy-fijian-team-ditches-plan-to-wear-vaccinate-jerseys-against-all-blacks@daffy-jaffy said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@tj Dumb ass Religious anti vacc influence sadly -
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/300354390/its-a-tragedy-fijian-team-ditches-plan-to-wear-vaccinate-jerseys-against-all-blacksThat's a shocker. Way to get in your sponsors bad books too.
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kev Last camera angle shows direct contact with the head. Dmac lowering body position is mitigation. I think it should have been a yellow.
My main thing was initial contact was body to body and he didn’t aim high. Mixed thoughts - protect the player, but for me it was a great dominant tackle. That’s what Rugby is about.
Process is pretty clear though - head contact, high degree of danger, it's red or maaaybe yellow. World Rugby are trying to take these hits out of the game,a nd putting the responsibility on teh tackler. It's only going to work if people actually believe that anyone who goes high is going to get pinged - otherwise the risk/reward is unbalanced.
It's ... just that they don't seem to care to apply their own framework.
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kev Last camera angle shows direct contact with the head. Dmac lowering body position is mitigation. I think it should have been a yellow.
My main thing was initial contact was body to body and he didn’t aim high. Mixed thoughts - protect the player, but for me it was a great dominant tackle. That’s what Rugby is about.
Process is pretty clear though - head contact, high degree of danger, it's red or maaaybe yellow. World Rugby are trying to take these hits out of the game,a nd putting the responsibility on teh tackler. It's only going to work if people actually believe that anyone who goes high is going to get pinged - otherwise the risk/reward is unbalanced.
It's ... just that they don't seem to care to apply their own framework.
Every Fijian tackle has a very high degree of danger
