All Blacks vs Fiji
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@steven-harris said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Really enjoyed this contest ,seeing another repeat of last week would have done nothing for anyone..
Fiji really bought it physically showing the benefits of many of their forwards especially playing in France and Europe in general but I suspect being stuck in isolation and lack preparation finally told especially in and around breakdown accuracy and discipline..All Blacks looked better when both Whitelock and Coles were on the field ..but in terms of consistency I thought Ethan Blackadder playing in the unfamiliar jersey was very solid ..biggest disappointments to me where Sotutu,Tuipulotu and Frizzell..Agree on those three. Also thought Taylor lacked accuracy and the starting two props looked lost out there too.
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@steven-harris said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Really enjoyed this contest ,seeing another repeat of last week would have done nothing for anyone..
Fiji really bought it physically showing the benefits of many of their forwards especially playing in France and Europe in general but I suspect being stuck in isolation and lack preparation finally told especially in and around breakdown accuracy and discipline..All Blacks looked better when both Whitelock and Coles were on the field ..but in terms of consistency I thought Ethan Blackadder playing in the unfamiliar jersey was very solid ..biggest disappointments to me where Sotutu,Tuipulotu and Frizzell..Agree on those three. Also thought Taylor lacked accuracy and the starting two props looked lost out there too.
This! Absolutely this. We have to start developing props that can be successful at set piece and contribute around the field.
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I haven’t read the thread yet but when I do I hope to see plenty of comments wondering why our loose forwards didn’t act as a unit.
Sotutu was busy but at the wrong places. Frizzle was a fizzle and Blackadder good but disjointed from the other two.
We were missing Jacobsen doing the straight forward ruck work.
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On the Botia/McKenzie thing - looks bad. One AR with what looks like line-of-sight within 10 metres of the incident didn't even flinch.
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@nta said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
On the Botia/McKenzie thing - looks bad. One AR with what looks like line-of-sight within 10 metres of the incident didn't even flinch.
And the commentators celebrated the guy trying to take off his head.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nta said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
On the Botia/McKenzie thing - looks bad. One AR with what looks like line-of-sight within 10 metres of the incident didn't even flinch.
And the commentators celebrated the guy trying to take off his head.
If it turns out to be chest on shoulder it will be a good hit. Didn't see a reverse angle and the TMO didn't twitch either. OB director either.
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We got 10 running meters out of our starting front row (zero from Bower). To put that in perspective, Fiji got more three times more out of one prop (Ravai, 30) and in total got 52 from their starting front row.
We didn’t start to get anything useful until Coles (26) came on and he and DeGroot (9) managed 35 from the bench (Lomax, 0).
We need better props and a third/fourth hooker. Taylor is tired, and behind Ofa and Moody the stocks are not that good at LH and TH.
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Lots of Frizzel comments and I agree but Pat T as well. Too many chances, been part of some poor AB losses. The guy has serious mana but we need to move on and get Vaai (sp?) or even Robinson in there. Someone who is all elbows and shoulders.
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We got 10 running meters out of our starting front row (zero from Bower). To put that in perspective, Fiji got more three times more out of one prop (Ravai, 30) and in total got 52 from their starting front row.
We didn’t start to get anything useful until Coles (26) came on and he and DeGroot (9) managed 35 from the bench (Lomax, 0).
We need better props and a third/fourth hooker. Taylor is tired, and behind Ofa and Moody the stocks are not that good at LH and TH.
@gt12 I'm telling you our props lack mobility. Hodgman is great around the paddock and has a high work rate, showed with the Blues needs more scrum work. Johnson is also a hell of a lot better than Bower in my opinion. Lomax is labored and De Groot got owned against the Blues pack. Our tight 5 needs work.
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Glad Coles is on. Seems craftier than Taylor.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Glad Coles is on. Seems craftier than Taylor.
I reckon he will create a try scoring record
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It’s pretty much all been said. That was a pretty shit effort by the ABs. Getting outmuscled by the fiji forwards is an embarrassment.
Frizz and Pat T aren’t up to it and never will be. They have had so many chances.
Sotutu hasn’t done anything this year to suggest he should be there either. Poor mans Ardie.
Blackadder was up and down but was at least giving it everything. Not sure starting him at 7 is the best idea though. Really just covers 7.
Backs were fairly quiet. Though Havili did some good things despite a couple of mistakes. His involvement in Bridge’s try was quality. Really hope they try him and ALB together when ALB is back.
Ioane needs to be our 11. He still has the gas and can roam into midfield when required. Such a waste.Good little cameo from Coles. Is that the most tries by an AB substitute ever?
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@steven-harris said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Really enjoyed this contest ,seeing another repeat of last week would have done nothing for anyone..
Fiji really bought it physically showing the benefits of many of their forwards especially playing in France and Europe in general but I suspect being stuck in isolation and lack preparation finally told especially in and around breakdown accuracy and discipline..All Blacks looked better when both Whitelock and Coles were on the field ..but in terms of consistency I thought Ethan Blackadder playing in the unfamiliar jersey was very solid ..biggest disappointments to me where Sotutu,Tuipulotu and Frizzell..Agree on those three. Also thought Taylor lacked accuracy and the starting two props looked lost out there too.
This! Absolutely this. We have to start developing props that can be successful at set piece and contribute around the field.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@steven-harris said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Really enjoyed this contest ,seeing another repeat of last week would have done nothing for anyone..
Fiji really bought it physically showing the benefits of many of their forwards especially playing in France and Europe in general but I suspect being stuck in isolation and lack preparation finally told especially in and around breakdown accuracy and discipline..All Blacks looked better when both Whitelock and Coles were on the field ..but in terms of consistency I thought Ethan Blackadder playing in the unfamiliar jersey was very solid ..biggest disappointments to me where Sotutu,Tuipulotu and Frizzell..Agree on those three. Also thought Taylor lacked accuracy and the starting two props looked lost out there too.
This! Absolutely this. We have to start developing props that can be successful at set piece and contribute around the field.
It was concerning that Laulala found himself out of position in the line on a few occasions. Not sure how many rucks he hit but he didn’t seem to be prominent on that front. An off night for sure.
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Lots of Frizzel comments and I agree but Pat T as well. Too many chances, been part of some poor AB losses. The guy has serious mana but we need to move on and get Vaai (sp?) or even Robinson in there. Someone who is all elbows and shoulders.
@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Lots of Frizzel comments and I agree but Pat T as well. Too many chances, been part of some poor AB losses. The guy has serious mana but we need to move on and get Vaai (sp?) or even Robinson in there. Someone who is all elbows and shoulders.
I'm a big Pat T fan and he deserves huge credit for his leadership at the Blues, but it really hasn't translated at Test level. He's had a couple of great games in Black where he's stepped up the plate, but he's too inconsistent and makes too many errors.
Doesn't need to be flash, just solid and he seems to lack a bit of the latter
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@gt12 I'm telling you our props lack mobility. Hodgman is great around the paddock and has a high work rate, showed with the Blues needs more scrum work. Johnson is also a hell of a lot better than Bower in my opinion. Lomax is labored and De Groot got owned against the Blues pack. Our tight 5 needs work.
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Lots of Frizzel comments and I agree but Pat T as well. Too many chances, been part of some poor AB losses. The guy has serious mana but we need to move on and get Vaai (sp?) or even Robinson in there. Someone who is all elbows and shoulders.
@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Lots of Frizzel comments and I agree but Pat T as well. Too many chances, been part of some poor AB losses. The guy has serious mana but we need to move on and get Vaai (sp?) or even Robinson in there. Someone who is all elbows and shoulders.
I have doubts about Vaa'i. He was physically dominated by the Blues locks during the SRTT final. He is still very young, though.
Could PPP step up ? He is the only young lock with a frame required at the highest level.
MSR looks to have the necessary mongrel but he is quite lean. -
@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Lots of Frizzel comments and I agree but Pat T as well. Too many chances, been part of some poor AB losses. The guy has serious mana but we need to move on and get Vaai (sp?) or even Robinson in there. Someone who is all elbows and shoulders.
I have doubts about Vaa'i. He was physically dominated by the Blues locks during the SRTT final. He is still very young, though.
Could PPP step up ? He is the only young lock with a frame required at the highest level.
MSR looks to have the necessary mongrel but he is quite lean. -
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
We don't know who our wings are,
That guy who's scored 8 tries in 115 minutes might be worth another go?
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
We don't know who our wings are,
That guy who's scored 8 tries in 115 minutes might be worth another go?
Well I know who I like on the wing...
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@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kev Last camera angle shows direct contact with the head. Dmac lowering body position is mitigation. I think it should have been a yellow.
My main thing was initial contact was body to body and he didn’t aim high. Mixed thoughts - protect the player, but for me it was a great dominant tackle. That’s what Rugby is about.
@kev said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kev Last camera angle shows direct contact with the head. Dmac lowering body position is mitigation. I think it should have been a yellow.
My main thing was initial contact was body to body and he didn’t aim high.
Yes there's an argument for Botia's chest contacting McKenzie's shoulder first, and the blond hair suggestions around makes it look worse than it is.
Need the reverse angle.
If it was head on head, at least one player's reaction would have been different. If it was shoulder to head, I don't think McKenzie's getting up that quickly.
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@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Lots of Frizzel comments and I agree but Pat T as well. Too many chances, been part of some poor AB losses. The guy has serious mana but we need to move on and get Vaai (sp?) or even Robinson in there. Someone who is all elbows and shoulders.
I have doubts about Vaa'i. He was physically dominated by the Blues locks during the SRTT final. He is still very young, though.
Could PPP step up ? He is the only young lock with a frame required at the highest level.
MSR looks to have the necessary mongrel but he is quite lean.@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
MSR looks to have the necessary mongrel but he is quite lean.
Hasn't done shit at Super Rugby level, and is down the order at the Highlanders. Very overrated player in NZ, and is a scumbag criminal. Will never get near the All Blacks.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Glad Coles is on. Seems craftier than Taylor.
I reckon he will create a try scoring record
@nevorian said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Glad Coles is on. Seems craftier than Taylor.
I reckon he will create a try scoring record
Ha!
