All Blacks vs Fiji
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Is Reece a must-start winger?
Sevu Reece led the team in defenders beaten (7) and had two clean breaks with 66 metres (2nd in the team to Roane with 81).
Reece also made eight tackles (most in the backline), but missed three (leading the team, and including one that directly led to a try) plus had two turnovers.
Right now, I think he is first winger selected but should probably go to the left wing with Jordan on the right.
The fallacy of statistics.
Reece did two good things all game that resulted in those numbers.
One (very good) run probably accounted for 5 defenders and 50 metres.@crucial said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Is Reece a must-start winger?
Sevu Reece led the team in defenders beaten (7) and had two clean breaks with 66 metres (2nd in the team to Roane with 81).
Reece also made eight tackles (most in the backline), but missed three (leading the team, and including one that directly led to a try) plus had two turnovers.
Right now, I think he is first winger selected but should probably go to the left wing with Jordan on the right.
The fallacy of statistics.
Reece did two good things all game that resulted in those numbers.
One (very good) run probably accounted for 5 defenders and 50 metres.With respect to outside backs, isn’t that often the way it goes? If we just want these guys to cart it up and take the tackle, we’ve already got our staying left wing sorted.
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Is Reece a must-start winger?
Sevu Reece led the team in defenders beaten (7) and had two clean breaks with 66 metres (2nd in the team to Roane with 81).
Reece also made eight tackles (most in the backline), but missed three (leading the team, and including one that directly led to a try) plus had two turnovers.
Right now, I think he is first winger selected but should probably go to the left wing with Jordan on the right.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Right now, I think he is first winger selected but should probably go to the left wing with Jordan on the right.
And that's how they finished the game when Jordan came on for Bridge.
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Right now, I think he is first winger selected but should probably go to the left wing with Jordan on the right.
And that's how they finished the game when Jordan came on for Bridge.
Seems the obvious way to go (so no doubt they won’t do it).
Longer term, I wonder if his (Reece’s) inaccuracies will see a Nareki get a go in that case?
His boot could be very useful and he plays a similar game.
We also have Rayasi to develop and Clarke to come back.
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Right now, I think he is first winger selected but should probably go to the left wing with Jordan on the right.
And that's how they finished the game when Jordan came on for Bridge.
Seems the obvious way to go (so no doubt they won’t do it).
Longer term, I wonder if his (Reece’s) inaccuracies will see a Nareki get a go in that case?
His boot could be very useful and he plays a similar game.
We also have Rayasi to develop and Clarke to come back.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Right now, I think he is first winger selected but should probably go to the left wing with Jordan on the right.
And that's how they finished the game when Jordan came on for Bridge.
Seems the obvious way to go (so no doubt they won’t do it).
Longer term, I wonder if his (Reece’s) inaccuracies will see a Nareki get a go in that case?
His boot could be very useful and he plays a similar game.
We also have Rayasi to develop and Clarke to come back.
Reece was very good against SA in that pool game at the RWC. Scored an absolute blinder with super fast feet - got to have him if you looking at attacking options. Bridge is so far out of form it's not funny
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Right now, I think he is first winger selected but should probably go to the left wing with Jordan on the right.
And that's how they finished the game when Jordan came on for Bridge.
Seems the obvious way to go (so no doubt they won’t do it).
Longer term, I wonder if his (Reece’s) inaccuracies will see a Nareki get a go in that case?
His boot could be very useful and he plays a similar game.
We also have Rayasi to develop and Clarke to come back.
Reece was very good against SA in that pool game at the RWC. Scored an absolute blinder with super fast feet - got to have him if you looking at attacking options. Bridge is so far out of form it's not funny
@nzzp I don't think Bridge is out of form, he is doing what he has always done. He has never been one to beat multiple defenders.
Last night he was a key component to the first try with a snappy midfield pass, and the try he scored he initiated the forward momentum with a good run from a lineout.
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TBH some of you guys are forgetting just how terrible Tonga were - a team of brickies and amateurs getting called up out of dire necessity.
Lot more steel about this fijian team.
@nta said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
TBH some of you guys are forgetting just how terrible Tonga were - a team of brickies and amateurs getting called up out of dire necessity.
Further to this: a lot of you are also forgetting just how tight-knit a unit the ABs were after 2007 under Graham Henry, and the number of all-time greats that were present, and nearly-greats whose reputations were enhanced just by being part of an absolutely uncompromising leadership group on- and off-field.
In a way, you're victims of your own success, and it is nothing to do with the win/loss ratio, but the style in which they played.
I think you need to be a bit more realistic about your expectations, accept that some of these guys aren't legends, and accept you'll still win a lot more than you lose.
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@nta said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
TBH some of you guys are forgetting just how terrible Tonga were - a team of brickies and amateurs getting called up out of dire necessity.
Further to this: a lot of you are also forgetting just how tight-knit a unit the ABs were after 2007 under Graham Henry, and the number of all-time greats that were present, and nearly-greats whose reputations were enhanced just by being part of an absolutely uncompromising leadership group on- and off-field.
In a way, you're victims of your own success, and it is nothing to do with the win/loss ratio, but the style in which they played.
I think you need to be a bit more realistic about your expectations, accept that some of these guys aren't legends, and accept you'll still win a lot more than you lose.
@nta Problem is we aren't seeing any improvement in certain areas but instead history repeating itself every season (basically an extension of the Foster-led Chiefs). In contrast, you can see Rennie's influence on the Wobs. The harder-edged approach to forward play against the French (basically an extension of the niggly, hard-nosed back-to-back champion Chiefs side).
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@nta Problem is we aren't seeing any improvement in certain areas but instead history repeating itself every season (basically an extension of the Foster-led Chiefs). In contrast, you can see Rennie's influence on the Wobs. The harder-edged approach to forward play against the French (basically an extension of the niggly, hard-nosed back-to-back champion Chiefs side).
@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nta Problem is we aren't seeing any improvement in certain areas but instead history repeating itself every season (basically an extension of the Foster-led Chiefs). In contrast, you can see Rennie's influence on the Wobs. The harder-edged approach to forward play against the French (basically an extension of the niggly, hard-nosed back-to-back champion Chiefs side).
And yes a lot of that could be attributed to the coach. I know there is a lot of angst around the perceived nepotism Foster's appointment generates.
But how much do you attribute to the players? I'm sure they're all out there trying their best, but maybe it is just that the group has limits and no amount of coaching will address it because they simply haven't gone through enough pain in losing. These guys following your all-timers have been playing in an environment where they got an artificial leg-up from the mere presence of those individuals, and while you're winning games against Australia by 40-blot and recovering enough to trounce a fired-up Fiji, that is unlikely to change.
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It's good to see the press hoeing into Foster & Co's Let's Get Physical (honest, it's a priority) Coaching Clown Circus. Anything that will help see him to the door
@machpants its NZR that need to take note though, and evidence to date, Robinson is out of his depth and touch with how to deal with things
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@nta Problem is we aren't seeing any improvement in certain areas but instead history repeating itself every season (basically an extension of the Foster-led Chiefs). In contrast, you can see Rennie's influence on the Wobs. The harder-edged approach to forward play against the French (basically an extension of the niggly, hard-nosed back-to-back champion Chiefs side).
@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nta Problem is we aren't seeing any improvement in certain areas but instead history repeating itself every season (basically an extension of the Foster-led Chiefs). In contrast, you can see Rennie's influence on the Wobs. The harder-edged approach to forward play against the French (basically an extension of the niggly, hard-nosed back-to-back champion Chiefs side).
It would be interesting if someone with more search skills than me, ie not lazy, dug up old Chiefs threads from the Foster era. My memory tells me the complaints we are hearing now are pretty much the same complaints we were hearing then.
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@machpants its NZR that need to take note though, and evidence to date, Robinson is out of his depth and touch with how to deal with things
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@machpants its NZR that need to take note though, and evidence to date, Robinson is out of his depth and touch with how to deal with things
Yeah, I know. It's probably about time to insult our partners, or randomly invent a new comp with no authority then.
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It's good to see the press hoeing into Foster & Co's Let's Get Physical (honest, it's a priority) Coaching Clown Circus. Anything that will help see him to the door
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
It's good to see the press hoeing into Foster & Co's Let's Get Physical (honest, it's a priority) Coaching Clown Circus. Anything that will help see him to the door
I thought Fiji were pretty good, all pro players, etc.
I'm also not getting into a "bag Foster" contest but he did just break a couple of new records for us didn't he? Both lowest score against them, and most conceded. Records falling everywhere since he joined the team. Harsh I know but facts are facts (mostly).
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@machpants its NZR that need to take note though, and evidence to date, Robinson is out of his depth and touch with how to deal with things
Yeah, I know. It's probably about time to insult our partners, or randomly invent a new comp with no authority then.
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@machpants its NZR that need to take note though, and evidence to date, Robinson is out of his depth and touch with how to deal with things
Yeah, I know. It's probably about time to insult our partners, or randomly invent a new comp with no authority then.
Haha. I thought @taniwharugby had stuffed up the spelling of Robertson when he accidentally typed Robinson instead of Foster
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@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nta Problem is we aren't seeing any improvement in certain areas but instead history repeating itself every season (basically an extension of the Foster-led Chiefs). In contrast, you can see Rennie's influence on the Wobs. The harder-edged approach to forward play against the French (basically an extension of the niggly, hard-nosed back-to-back champion Chiefs side).
It would be interesting if someone with more search skills than me, ie not lazy, dug up old Chiefs threads from the Foster era. My memory tells me the complaints we are hearing now are pretty much the same complaints we were hearing then.
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nta Problem is we aren't seeing any improvement in certain areas but instead history repeating itself every season (basically an extension of the Foster-led Chiefs). In contrast, you can see Rennie's influence on the Wobs. The harder-edged approach to forward play against the French (basically an extension of the niggly, hard-nosed back-to-back champion Chiefs side).
It would be interesting if someone with more search skills than me, ie not lazy, dug up old Chiefs threads from the Foster era. My memory tells me the complaints we are hearing now are pretty much the same complaints we were hearing then.
I'm not digging that up because I'm not a Chiefs fan, but yes, and why many of us AB fans don't want Foster there.
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@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nta Problem is we aren't seeing any improvement in certain areas but instead history repeating itself every season (basically an extension of the Foster-led Chiefs). In contrast, you can see Rennie's influence on the Wobs. The harder-edged approach to forward play against the French (basically an extension of the niggly, hard-nosed back-to-back champion Chiefs side).
And yes a lot of that could be attributed to the coach. I know there is a lot of angst around the perceived nepotism Foster's appointment generates.
But how much do you attribute to the players? I'm sure they're all out there trying their best, but maybe it is just that the group has limits and no amount of coaching will address it because they simply haven't gone through enough pain in losing. These guys following your all-timers have been playing in an environment where they got an artificial leg-up from the mere presence of those individuals, and while you're winning games against Australia by 40-blot and recovering enough to trounce a fired-up Fiji, that is unlikely to change.
@nta said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nta Problem is we aren't seeing any improvement in certain areas but instead history repeating itself every season (basically an extension of the Foster-led Chiefs). In contrast, you can see Rennie's influence on the Wobs. The harder-edged approach to forward play against the French (basically an extension of the niggly, hard-nosed back-to-back champion Chiefs side).
And yes a lot of that could be attributed to the coach. I know there is a lot of angst around the perceived nepotism Foster's appointment generates.
But how much do you attribute to the players? I'm sure they're all out there trying their best, but maybe it is just that the group has limits and no amount of coaching will address it because they simply haven't gone through enough pain in losing. These guys following your all-timers have been playing in an environment where they got an artificial leg-up from the mere presence of those individuals, and while you're winning games against Australia by 40-blot and recovering enough to trounce a fired-up Fiji, that is unlikely to change.
Kind of true.
I think that the main thing we are griping about is that Foster got the job by claiming that he knew how to fix our problem of being out-muscled and taken out when other teams fronted physically and made few mistakes on ball handing or tactics.
We just aren't seeing any evidence that he is fixing that. Yes, it partly comes down to personnel but a lot is coaching. Why are we seeing loose forwards spread across the field instead of hunting as a pack? Why aren't our front five creating walls that stop momentum? Why do we have a gameplan that has multiple playmakers and few finishers? -
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
It's good to see the press hoeing into Foster & Co's Let's Get Physical (honest, it's a priority) Coaching Clown Circus. Anything that will help see him to the door
I thought Fiji were pretty good, all pro players, etc.
I'm also not getting into a "bag Foster" contest but he did just break a couple of new records for us didn't he? Both lowest score against them, and most conceded. Records falling everywhere since he joined the team. Harsh I know but facts are facts (mostly).
@snowy said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
It's good to see the press hoeing into Foster & Co's Let's Get Physical (honest, it's a priority) Coaching Clown Circus. Anything that will help see him to the door
I thought Fiji were pretty good, all pro players, etc.
I'm also not getting into a "bag Foster" contest but he did just break a couple of new records for us didn't he? Both lowest score against them, and most conceded. Records falling everywhere since he joined the team. Harsh I know but facts are facts (mostly).
The anoying thing is he talks about new systems, and physicality and then the teams don't deliver - and he gives platitudes around 'what a great test' rather than 'we really need to improve a lot, it was not acceptable'
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@snowy said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
It's good to see the press hoeing into Foster & Co's Let's Get Physical (honest, it's a priority) Coaching Clown Circus. Anything that will help see him to the door
I thought Fiji were pretty good, all pro players, etc.
I'm also not getting into a "bag Foster" contest but he did just break a couple of new records for us didn't he? Both lowest score against them, and most conceded. Records falling everywhere since he joined the team. Harsh I know but facts are facts (mostly).
The anoying thing is he talks about new systems, and physicality and then the teams don't deliver - and he gives platitudes around 'what a great test' rather than 'we really need to improve a lot, it was not acceptable'
The more I read about the pros and cons of George Bridge in this thread the more I wonder if he is better at 12 than as outside back. Scandalous. I know.
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@snowy said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
It's good to see the press hoeing into Foster & Co's Let's Get Physical (honest, it's a priority) Coaching Clown Circus. Anything that will help see him to the door
I thought Fiji were pretty good, all pro players, etc.
I'm also not getting into a "bag Foster" contest but he did just break a couple of new records for us didn't he? Both lowest score against them, and most conceded. Records falling everywhere since he joined the team. Harsh I know but facts are facts (mostly).
The anoying thing is he talks about new systems, and physicality and then the teams don't deliver - and he gives platitudes around 'what a great test' rather than 'we really need to improve a lot, it was not acceptable'
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@snowy said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
It's good to see the press hoeing into Foster & Co's Let's Get Physical (honest, it's a priority) Coaching Clown Circus. Anything that will help see him to the door
I thought Fiji were pretty good, all pro players, etc.
I'm also not getting into a "bag Foster" contest but he did just break a couple of new records for us didn't he? Both lowest score against them, and most conceded. Records falling everywhere since he joined the team. Harsh I know but facts are facts (mostly).
The anoying thing is he talks about new systems, and physicality and then the teams don't deliver - and he gives platitudes around 'what a great test' rather than 'we really need to improve a lot, it was not acceptable'
That is what pisses me off too. Dopey grin when we were shit, and the same shit as our last fails. Just wear it, we weren't very good.
