All Blacks vs Fiji 2
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
Having just caught up, a few comments:
Midfield: Rieko made two forward passes in one passage of play last week. He can run, but he's not a centre's arsehole yet. Goodhue was a very good centre, and the coaches fucked him by moving him. ALB has been patchy as fuck all season, made some awful defensive reads. Tupaea looks good, so did Nankivell for the Maori. Havili too much of a utility still for me.
Outside backs: DMac is the best at the 2nd playmaker from fullback role. It's not really Jordie's game, very different strengths. Jordan neither, though unlike Jordie he can play wing. So if that's the game plan, then that's the selection I reckon. Beauden vs Richie for 10 vs bench.
Loosies: They should have picked Boshier, and probably the big ginger too I reckon. Boshier in that shield game against the cantabs was quite phenomenal. Sotutu has gone right off the boil unfortunately, but is young and will come back later. Blues came right when Robinson started starting: workrate. Frizz gets a lot of criticism on here, but really he was just picked way too early for the ABs, he wasn't even a starting highlander at that point - and so you get all this 'how many chances' stuff. His super rugby form now deserves AB squad selection at least - he and smith really carried that team last couple of seasons.Come on man, there's so much flip flop there you could be a jandal!
ALB = patchy, but Tupaea looks good?
Rieko's two forward passes make him not a centre's arsehole - is this the standard now - if our centre makes 2 mistakes, they're not a centre's arsehole?
Jordie is a playmaker for the Canes and has featured strongly in this role (especially last year).
Not the Boshier thing again. We've got Savea, Cane and Papali'i all easily better than him, why pick yet another openside (who (only has one trick that Paps does better and may not even be better than Harmon).Yeah Frizzel is a bit of a punching bag, but it'd be nice to see him really stand up and make it easier to say/see what he brings to the table.
@bones Yes sick of hearing about the one trick pony Boshier who then went on to sulk and chase the money in Japan. Good on him but time to move on, nothing to see there.
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@bones Yes sick of hearing about the one trick pony Boshier who then went on to sulk and chase the money in Japan. Good on him but time to move on, nothing to see there.
@african-monkey said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bones Yes sick of hearing about the one trick pony Boshier who then went on to sulk and chase the money in Japan. Good on him but time to move on, nothing to see there.
Agree regarding move on, but fake news to claim Boshier sulked. In the Stuff article I read, he said he understood selector’s viewpoint (too small?) and had no regrets, or words to that effect.
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I think Frizell on the bench is a warning to either Akira, Frizell, or both of them as it doesn't make much sense to not have Blackadder there and see what he can do off the bench as the utility loosie (especially with Paps out).
Jordie had a relatively poor kicking performance last week, and Dmac and Mo'unga played together quite well, so this is a form selection. It will be interesting to see how things go with three playmakers out there.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
I think Frizell on the bench is a warning to either Akira, Frizell, or both of them as it doesn't make much sense to not have Blackadder there and see what he can do off the bench as the utility loosie (especially with Paps out).
** Jordie had a relatively poor kicking performanc**e last week, and Dmac and Mo'unga played together quite well, so this is a form selection. It will be interesting to see how things go with three playmakers out there.
Quick clarification (genuine question): you mean kicking out of hand?
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
I think Frizell on the bench is a warning to either Akira, Frizell, or both of them as it doesn't make much sense to not have Blackadder there and see what he can do off the bench as the utility loosie (especially with Paps out).
** Jordie had a relatively poor kicking performanc**e last week, and Dmac and Mo'unga played together quite well, so this is a form selection. It will be interesting to see how things go with three playmakers out there.
Quick clarification (genuine question): you mean kicking out of hand?
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
I think Frizell on the bench is a warning to either Akira, Frizell, or both of them as it doesn't make much sense to not have Blackadder there and see what he can do off the bench as the utility loosie (especially with Paps out).
** Jordie had a relatively poor kicking performanc**e last week, and Dmac and Mo'unga played together quite well, so this is a form selection. It will be interesting to see how things go with three playmakers out there.
Quick clarification (genuine question): you mean kicking out of hand?
Yep.
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@bones Yes sick of hearing about the one trick pony Boshier who then went on to sulk and chase the money in Japan. Good on him but time to move on, nothing to see there.
@african-monkey said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bones Yes sick of hearing about the one trick pony Boshier who then went on to sulk and chase the money in Japan. Good on him but time to move on, nothing to see there.
Yeah as per @pakman, did he sulk? Think he's just chased the bucks, which most players in his situation would!
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
I like this team as well! But I hope they are testing the starting props as they were well outdone around the field by their Fijian opponents-I thought Fiji used their props far better than we did.
I've gone to the 'Shannon isn't so bad but he doesn't seem to synch well with others' frame of mind. I suspect he is a real fave with the coaching staff but he needs for me to reproduce the impact he had for the Highlanders.
Also I've fallen into the 'Jordie is pretty good actually as AB fullback' camp. Sure his kicking game wasn't perfect but when you are booting it 20m further than the others your mistakes don't get capitalized on so much. He might not tackle like Jerry Collins but he is far more likely to stop the big bllokes than the mulleted Jack Russell from the Waikato.
And a good-looking midfield! How often does that happen lately!! Well ok, more often recently, but a gripe is a gripe..
Still, I hope I don't see Mr Foster looking out of his depth, passive, frustrated, but motionless in the coaching box. In the last test on the cutaway tv movements he looked like a passenger, not an engaged coach.
Really? I don't really care what any coach looks like in the box, some bounce around, some are animated some sit there quietly, geez I didn;t think that was how anyone judged coahes.
@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
I like this team as well! But I hope they are testing the starting props as they were well outdone around the field by their Fijian opponents-I thought Fiji used their props far better than we did.
I've gone to the 'Shannon isn't so bad but he doesn't seem to synch well with others' frame of mind. I suspect he is a real fave with the coaching staff but he needs for me to reproduce the impact he had for the Highlanders.
Also I've fallen into the 'Jordie is pretty good actually as AB fullback' camp. Sure his kicking game wasn't perfect but when you are booting it 20m further than the others your mistakes don't get capitalized on so much. He might not tackle like Jerry Collins but he is far more likely to stop the big bllokes than the mulleted Jack Russell from the Waikato.
And a good-looking midfield! How often does that happen lately!! Well ok, more often recently, but a gripe is a gripe..
Still, I hope I don't see Mr Foster looking out of his depth, passive, frustrated, but motionless in the coaching box. In the last test on the cutaway tv movements he looked like a passenger, not an engaged coach.
Really? I don't really care what any coach looks like in the box, some bounce around, some are animated some sit there quietly, geez I didn;t think that was how anyone judged coahes.
But he's fat.
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A lot of you blokes will be too young to remember Grant Batty streaming down the right wing, but he is (according to his Wikipedia page) about 1.65m (5 foot 1) and (was) 65 kgs (just over 10 stone). He makes me (170cm and 70 kgs) look like Brodie Rettalick.
@mrdenmore said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
A lot of you blokes will be too young to remember Grant Batty streaming down the right wing, but he is (according to his Wikipedia page) about 1.65m (5 foot 1) and (was) 65 kgs (just over 10 stone). He makes me (170cm and 70 kgs) look like Brodie Rettalick.
But his opponents were 12 stone themselves
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@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
I like this team as well! But I hope they are testing the starting props as they were well outdone around the field by their Fijian opponents-I thought Fiji used their props far better than we did.
I've gone to the 'Shannon isn't so bad but he doesn't seem to synch well with others' frame of mind. I suspect he is a real fave with the coaching staff but he needs for me to reproduce the impact he had for the Highlanders.
Also I've fallen into the 'Jordie is pretty good actually as AB fullback' camp. Sure his kicking game wasn't perfect but when you are booting it 20m further than the others your mistakes don't get capitalized on so much. He might not tackle like Jerry Collins but he is far more likely to stop the big bllokes than the mulleted Jack Russell from the Waikato.
And a good-looking midfield! How often does that happen lately!! Well ok, more often recently, but a gripe is a gripe..
Still, I hope I don't see Mr Foster looking out of his depth, passive, frustrated, but motionless in the coaching box. In the last test on the cutaway tv movements he looked like a passenger, not an engaged coach.
Really? I don't really care what any coach looks like in the box, some bounce around, some are animated some sit there quietly, geez I didn;t think that was how anyone judged coahes.
But he's fat.
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
I like this team as well! But I hope they are testing the starting props as they were well outdone around the field by their Fijian opponents-I thought Fiji used their props far better than we did.
I've gone to the 'Shannon isn't so bad but he doesn't seem to synch well with others' frame of mind. I suspect he is a real fave with the coaching staff but he needs for me to reproduce the impact he had for the Highlanders.
Also I've fallen into the 'Jordie is pretty good actually as AB fullback' camp. Sure his kicking game wasn't perfect but when you are booting it 20m further than the others your mistakes don't get capitalized on so much. He might not tackle like Jerry Collins but he is far more likely to stop the big bllokes than the mulleted Jack Russell from the Waikato.
And a good-looking midfield! How often does that happen lately!! Well ok, more often recently, but a gripe is a gripe..
Still, I hope I don't see Mr Foster looking out of his depth, passive, frustrated, but motionless in the coaching box. In the last test on the cutaway tv movements he looked like a passenger, not an engaged coach.
Really? I don't really care what any coach looks like in the box, some bounce around, some are animated some sit there quietly, geez I didn;t think that was how anyone judged coahes.
But he's fat.
How does he fit into the box then
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@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
I like this team as well! But I hope they are testing the starting props as they were well outdone around the field by their Fijian opponents-I thought Fiji used their props far better than we did.
I've gone to the 'Shannon isn't so bad but he doesn't seem to synch well with others' frame of mind. I suspect he is a real fave with the coaching staff but he needs for me to reproduce the impact he had for the Highlanders.
Also I've fallen into the 'Jordie is pretty good actually as AB fullback' camp. Sure his kicking game wasn't perfect but when you are booting it 20m further than the others your mistakes don't get capitalized on so much. He might not tackle like Jerry Collins but he is far more likely to stop the big bllokes than the mulleted Jack Russell from the Waikato.
And a good-looking midfield! How often does that happen lately!! Well ok, more often recently, but a gripe is a gripe..
Still, I hope I don't see Mr Foster looking out of his depth, passive, frustrated, but motionless in the coaching box. In the last test on the cutaway tv movements he looked like a passenger, not an engaged coach.
Really? I don't really care what any coach looks like in the box, some bounce around, some are animated some sit there quietly, geez I didn;t think that was how anyone judged coahes.
But he's fat.
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
I like this team as well! But I hope they are testing the starting props as they were well outdone around the field by their Fijian opponents-I thought Fiji used their props far better than we did.
I've gone to the 'Shannon isn't so bad but he doesn't seem to synch well with others' frame of mind. I suspect he is a real fave with the coaching staff but he needs for me to reproduce the impact he had for the Highlanders.
Also I've fallen into the 'Jordie is pretty good actually as AB fullback' camp. Sure his kicking game wasn't perfect but when you are booting it 20m further than the others your mistakes don't get capitalized on so much. He might not tackle like Jerry Collins but he is far more likely to stop the big bllokes than the mulleted Jack Russell from the Waikato.
And a good-looking midfield! How often does that happen lately!! Well ok, more often recently, but a gripe is a gripe..
Still, I hope I don't see Mr Foster looking out of his depth, passive, frustrated, but motionless in the coaching box. In the last test on the cutaway tv movements he looked like a passenger, not an engaged coach.
Really? I don't really care what any coach looks like in the box, some bounce around, some are animated some sit there quietly, geez I didn;t think that was how anyone judged coahes.
But he's fat.
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I wonder the chances we will see a 6-2 bench at some point? Tony Brown is a big proponent but not many other Kiwi coaches apparently.
We have a plethora of loose forward talent and adding an additional loosie to the bench would certainly help contribute to the general forward effort which most would agree is lacking. Also we have plenty of utility in our backs to cover it.
Also potentially, Ardie at 12
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@african-monkey thats the issue though, he was super physical in his first season and at super rugby level, he scored some great tries with a couple of tacklers hanging off him, he was/is very physical, he just hasn't shown it over the last two international seasons
part of me thinks some of it is game plan, fozzie doesnt ask the same things of him as the Highlanders
But if he's going to play im not unhappy with him on the bench, against a tiring team he might shine more and get some vibe back
by god i wish they would stop swapping around so much though, let the guys settle into a position
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
they would stop swapping around so much though, let the guys settle into a position
That’s modern day rugby though and having big squads. Everyone “needs” game time or else the questions are “why are they there”
It’s all about “seeing what they offer and where they are at”.
I’m not necessarily a fan but it seems to be the reality.
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
Often doesn't work out playing against opposite numbers, but...
Sevu Reece: 179/98 v Setariki Tuicuvu: 179/94
Damn similarWill Jordan: 188/94 v Nemani Nadolo: 195/137
Ouch!DMac: 176/81 v Kini Murimurivalu: 184/101
More ouch!Is Nadolo 137kgs now?!!!
We'd have to put Ben Tamiefuna on the wing for that not to be ouch!!!
He'll take some stopping if he can get a roll on, but if I were Jordan I'd fancy my chances of running round him.
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
Often doesn't work out playing against opposite numbers, but...
Sevu Reece: 179/98 v Setariki Tuicuvu: 179/94
Damn similarWill Jordan: 188/94 v Nemani Nadolo: 195/137
Ouch!DMac: 176/81 v Kini Murimurivalu: 184/101
More ouch!Is Nadolo 137kgs now?!!!
We'd have to put Ben Tamiefuna on the wing for that not to be ouch!!!
He'll take some stopping if he can get a roll on, but if I were Jordan I'd fancy my chances of running round him.
Nadolo had next to no impact on the test match last week. They barely got him the ball.
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@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
Often doesn't work out playing against opposite numbers, but...
Sevu Reece: 179/98 v Setariki Tuicuvu: 179/94
Damn similarWill Jordan: 188/94 v Nemani Nadolo: 195/137
Ouch!DMac: 176/81 v Kini Murimurivalu: 184/101
More ouch!Is Nadolo 137kgs now?!!!
We'd have to put Ben Tamiefuna on the wing for that not to be ouch!!!
He'll take some stopping if he can get a roll on, but if I were Jordan I'd fancy my chances of running round him.
Nadolo had next to no impact on the test match last week. They barely got him the ball.
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
Nadolo had next to no impact on the test match last week. They barely got him the ball.
Are people expecting Nadolo to make an impact?
At 33 and 130 kilos I just don't see how anyone could still have the dynamism required to be effective on the wing. Apart from very small bursts.
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Nadolo retired from test rugby, I think in 2019. I assume his return to the Fijian squad has to do with the Covid reality that they can't get all their players in the white jersey. Either because their French clubs don't want to release them in time, or because they don't want to travel themselves.
Edited to add this article:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/nemani-nadolo-announces-retirement-from-international-rugby/
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@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
I like this team as well! But I hope they are testing the starting props as they were well outdone around the field by their Fijian opponents-I thought Fiji used their props far better than we did.
I've gone to the 'Shannon isn't so bad but he doesn't seem to synch well with others' frame of mind. I suspect he is a real fave with the coaching staff but he needs for me to reproduce the impact he had for the Highlanders.
Also I've fallen into the 'Jordie is pretty good actually as AB fullback' camp. Sure his kicking game wasn't perfect but when you are booting it 20m further than the others your mistakes don't get capitalized on so much. He might not tackle like Jerry Collins but he is far more likely to stop the big bllokes than the mulleted Jack Russell from the Waikato.
And a good-looking midfield! How often does that happen lately!! Well ok, more often recently, but a gripe is a gripe..
Still, I hope I don't see Mr Foster looking out of his depth, passive, frustrated, but motionless in the coaching box. In the last test on the cutaway tv movements he looked like a passenger, not an engaged coach.
Really? I don't really care what any coach looks like in the box, some bounce around, some are animated some sit there quietly, geez I didn;t think that was how anyone judged coahes.
I understand what you are saying, and you are right, the results count. He has won 50% of his games against Argentina and Australia...
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@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@frank said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
yep I not sure I agree Shannon has been that bad anyway, he is actually generally a more physical type 6 than Akira.
You watch rugby?
Yep usually watch 32-3 games live on Saturday, and everything on TV. I repeat Frizell is generally more physical than Akira, because he does a shit load more work in rucks and mauls where most physical rugby is.
Yep, he's always 'there', as to how much physical impact he is actually having, not so sure.
@frank said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@frank said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
yep I not sure I agree Shannon has been that bad anyway, he is actually generally a more physical type 6 than Akira.
You watch rugby?
Yep usually watch 32-3 games live on Saturday, and everything on TV. I repeat Frizell is generally more physical than Akira, because he does a shit load more work in rucks and mauls where most physical rugby is.
Yep, he's always 'there', as to how much physical impact he is actually having, not so sure.
Well I would suggest if you not sure how much physical impact he has, he still can't have any if he not there. I not saying he the greatest thing etc, just don't think he get's credit for a lot of what he does, mainly from a lot of people that maybe judge their players on what they see when looking uo at screen when Justin Marshall or someone screams out a name, but don't actually watch what players do. I still think that maybe Akira has more potential, and I just waiting for him to show it to us more consistently.
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@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
I like this team as well! But I hope they are testing the starting props as they were well outdone around the field by their Fijian opponents-I thought Fiji used their props far better than we did.
I've gone to the 'Shannon isn't so bad but he doesn't seem to synch well with others' frame of mind. I suspect he is a real fave with the coaching staff but he needs for me to reproduce the impact he had for the Highlanders.
Also I've fallen into the 'Jordie is pretty good actually as AB fullback' camp. Sure his kicking game wasn't perfect but when you are booting it 20m further than the others your mistakes don't get capitalized on so much. He might not tackle like Jerry Collins but he is far more likely to stop the big bllokes than the mulleted Jack Russell from the Waikato.
And a good-looking midfield! How often does that happen lately!! Well ok, more often recently, but a gripe is a gripe..
Still, I hope I don't see Mr Foster looking out of his depth, passive, frustrated, but motionless in the coaching box. In the last test on the cutaway tv movements he looked like a passenger, not an engaged coach.
Really? I don't really care what any coach looks like in the box, some bounce around, some are animated some sit there quietly, geez I didn;t think that was how anyone judged coahes.
But he's fat.
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
I like this team as well! But I hope they are testing the starting props as they were well outdone around the field by their Fijian opponents-I thought Fiji used their props far better than we did.
I've gone to the 'Shannon isn't so bad but he doesn't seem to synch well with others' frame of mind. I suspect he is a real fave with the coaching staff but he needs for me to reproduce the impact he had for the Highlanders.
Also I've fallen into the 'Jordie is pretty good actually as AB fullback' camp. Sure his kicking game wasn't perfect but when you are booting it 20m further than the others your mistakes don't get capitalized on so much. He might not tackle like Jerry Collins but he is far more likely to stop the big bllokes than the mulleted Jack Russell from the Waikato.
And a good-looking midfield! How often does that happen lately!! Well ok, more often recently, but a gripe is a gripe..
Still, I hope I don't see Mr Foster looking out of his depth, passive, frustrated, but motionless in the coaching box. In the last test on the cutaway tv movements he looked like a passenger, not an engaged coach.
Really? I don't really care what any coach looks like in the box, some bounce around, some are animated some sit there quietly, geez I didn;t think that was how anyone judged coahes.
But he's fat.
Yep but I not sure how much I can point the finger at others for being a bit overweight:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes: , but I understand , we need coaches who look like they in good shape, and have just the right amount of animation in the box?
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Nadolo retired from test rugby, I think in 2019. I assume his return to the Fijian squad has to do with the Covid reality that they can't get all their players in the white jersey. Either because their French clubs don't want to release them in time, or because they don't want to travel themselves.
Edited to add this article:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/nemani-nadolo-announces-retirement-from-international-rugby/
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
Nadolo retired from test rugby, I think in 2019. I assume his return to the Fijian squad has to do with the Covid reality that they can't get all their players in the white jersey. Either because their French clubs don't want to release them in time, or because they don't want to travel themselves.
Fiji doesn't have lack of wing talent. Most likely just laziness from the coaching staff because they don't want to have to deal with a player who might not have particularly good English.
