Stadium of Canterbury
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@dogmeat said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@mariner4life said in Stadium of Canterbury:
I am becoming more and more convinced that the people who work in public infrastructure are mentally deficient
isn't that @booboo ? I know he does booboo but even so you're being a bit harsh.
slightly harsh maybe, but the decisions that are made often defy belief.
But sure, if you are going to force this to be serious, obviously there are pressures from all sides, but how many decisions are made that actually end up pleasing no one?
@mariner4life mate you're singing to the choir - I live in Auckland.
No matter what infrastructure fuck ups you quote I guarantee I can trump them!
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on a related but completely opposite note, the same dreamers who are always pushing this stuff are trying to leverage our possibility of hosting Olympic football in 2032 to once again try for a 20,000 seat stadium
In a city of 150,000
without a major sports team to play in it
I am sure the 800 strong crowd at a Northern Pride game will loooove all the additional space
I am becoming more and more convinced that the people who work in public infrastructure are mentally deficient
@mariner4life said in Stadium of Canterbury:
on a related but completely opposite note, the same dreamers who are always pushing this stuff are trying to leverage our possibility of hosting Olympic football in 2032 to once again try for a 20,000 seat stadium
In a city of 150,000
without a major sports team to play in it
I am sure the 800 strong crowd at a Northern Pride game will loooove all the additional space
I am becoming more and more convinced that the people who work in public infrastructure are mentally deficient
It's interesting the stadium capacities for NZ towns and cities compared to size of town. They are ridiculous.
(I've used the new proposed one for Chch)
OK, some of them are just a grandstand plus banks and terraces. But still.
Invercargill is probably not much different to current Cairns. But I assume the new Cairns proposal is more bells and whistles than Rugby Park, and whatever Cairns have. They used an athletics stadium in the RLWC? That was a bit shit, I admit.
Population Stadium Capapcity % of population
Whangarei 54400 18500 34%
Auckland 1470000 47000 3%
Pukekohe 26500 12000 45%
Hamilton 176500 25800 15%
Tauranga 151300 5000 3%
New Plymouth 57600 22000 38%
Napier-Hastings 115300 19700 17%
Palmerston North 81500 15000 18%
Wellington 429700 34500 8%
Nelson 51100 18000 35%
Christchurch 383200 25000 7%
Dunedin 106200 30748 29%
Invercargill 50200 18000 36% -
@mariner4life said in Stadium of Canterbury:
on a related but completely opposite note, the same dreamers who are always pushing this stuff are trying to leverage our possibility of hosting Olympic football in 2032 to once again try for a 20,000 seat stadium
In a city of 150,000
without a major sports team to play in it
I am sure the 800 strong crowd at a Northern Pride game will loooove all the additional space
I am becoming more and more convinced that the people who work in public infrastructure are mentally deficient
It's interesting the stadium capacities for NZ towns and cities compared to size of town. They are ridiculous.
(I've used the new proposed one for Chch)
OK, some of them are just a grandstand plus banks and terraces. But still.
Invercargill is probably not much different to current Cairns. But I assume the new Cairns proposal is more bells and whistles than Rugby Park, and whatever Cairns have. They used an athletics stadium in the RLWC? That was a bit shit, I admit.
Population Stadium Capapcity % of population
Whangarei 54400 18500 34%
Auckland 1470000 47000 3%
Pukekohe 26500 12000 45%
Hamilton 176500 25800 15%
Tauranga 151300 5000 3%
New Plymouth 57600 22000 38%
Napier-Hastings 115300 19700 17%
Palmerston North 81500 15000 18%
Wellington 429700 34500 8%
Nelson 51100 18000 35%
Christchurch 383200 25000 7%
Dunedin 106200 30748 29%
Invercargill 50200 18000 36% -
@rapido want to do the same for the Aussie stadiums?
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The most enjoyable looking rugby atmosphere i have seen in NZ in recent years (apart from club finals on grassroots rugby) has been NPC games at Tauranga.
With a stadium of just 3% of their total population, and no lights, so all sunny afternoon matches. Looks good fun.
Albeit, on an athletics stadium with a temporary seating built over the track.
Dumb mistake to build an expensive athletics track on the domain once Builder Bob built that enormous stupid speedway stadium in the swampy boondocks. Yet, despite this, the best looking rugby atmosphere in the country. I guess that is a sign of how dire things have got in NZ rugby.
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The most enjoyable looking rugby atmosphere i have seen in NZ in recent years (apart from club finals on grassroots rugby) has been NPC games at Tauranga.
With a stadium of just 3% of their total population, and no lights, so all sunny afternoon matches. Looks good fun.
Albeit, on an athletics stadium with a temporary seating built over the track.
Dumb mistake to build an expensive athletics track on the domain once Builder Bob built that enormous stupid speedway stadium in the swampy boondocks. Yet, despite this, the best looking rugby atmosphere in the country. I guess that is a sign of how dire things have got in NZ rugby.
@rapido i can buy that
have to say ive enjoyed standing on the sideline in the sun with a beer and BBQ down the park has been more enjoyable this year than going to a big stadium or even the pub
I've been to a couple of pre season otago games in Queenstown and theyre very enjoyable
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@rapido worth a shot :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone:
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@rapido worth a shot :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone:
But I will drop this back of the envelope calulation - Eden Park compared to Auckland's population is actually a bigger ratio than 98,000 MCG in a 4,000,000 Melbourne (2.45% of Melbourne to fill the MCG, compared to 3% of Auckland to fill Eden Park).
Actually. I should have googled first ... I see Melbourne is now 5 million, which is 1.96%. Buof course it's been that capacity roughly , despite the guises of the stands, since approx 1956 olympics when population was about 1.5 million.
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@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@rapido worth a shot :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone:
But I will drop this back of the envelope calulation - Eden Park compared to Auckland's population is actually a bigger ratio than 98,000 MCG in a 4,000,000 Melbourne (2.45% of Melbourne to fill the MCG, compared to 3% of Auckland to fill Eden Park).
Actually. I should have googled first ... I see Melbourne is now 5 million, which is 1.96%. Buof course it's been that capacity roughly , despite the guises of the stands, since approx 1956 olympics when population was about 1.5 million.
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I remember 1993 Bledisloe in Dunedin. They added extra capacity. 39,000 in a city of about 105,000 at the time.
Let alone seeing 1970s Okara Park full with 30k etc, or say 1983 Rotorua for the Lions match with 30k - each in a town of about 40k at the time.
It was very cheap to maintain a ground that is 85% grass banks. Just a bit of gas money for the tractor mower.
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@rapido melbourne does have Marvet stadium and AAMI park too i guess
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@rapido melbourne does have Marvet stadium and AAMI park too i guess
Yeah, I'm not poo-poohing their attendances. I'm very jealous of AFL with their traditional jerseys (and now their shorts aren't porno grade), minimal shirt sponsors and packed stadiums.
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Tauranga Domain has gone from 'we need a bigger stadium' to 'just right'. Probably not worth spending well north of $100 million for a massive upgrade that might get filled with a tier two All Blacks match every second year. (Just freeload on the 'Tron ratepayers across the hill
), and maybe one Chiefs game a year.I've been wondering about lights for the Domain, but even that may be a blessing in disguise with September and October sunny afternoon rugby.
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Tauranga Domain has gone from 'we need a bigger stadium' to 'just right'. Probably not worth spending well north of $100 million for a massive upgrade that might get filled with a tier two All Blacks match every second year. (Just freeload on the 'Tron ratepayers across the hill
), and maybe one Chiefs game a year.I've been wondering about lights for the Domain, but even that may be a blessing in disguise with September and October sunny afternoon rugby.
@donsteppa said in Stadium of Canterbury:
Tauranga Domain has gone from 'we need a bigger stadium' to 'just right'. Probably not worth spending well north of $100 million for a massive upgrade that might get filled with a tier two All Blacks match every second year. (Just freeload on the 'Tron ratepayers across the hill
), and maybe one Chiefs game a year.I've been wondering about lights for the Domain, but even that may be a blessing in disguise with September and October sunny afternoon rugby.
Definitely a blessing in disguise.
Rotorua gets the crappy Thursday or Friday night games for sky. Tauranga with their 'poor' stadium get only the nice sunny Saturday and Sunday afternoons.
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@rapido said in Stadium of Canterbury:
They used an athletics stadium in the RLWC? That was a bit shit, I admit.
that's Barlow Park, that will be upgraded, but these guys want rebuilt in to a modern stadium.
Barlow Park has a decent surface, but as a "stadium it's terrible. The crowd is miles from the field (i played the curtain raiser to the Reds v Crusaders in 2011 in front of about 5,000 people and you could hardly hear them on field)
The only national team we have is the Taipans. And i am not sure the recent development of the convention centre even increased capacity. A large stadium makes absolutely no sense
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@mariner4life said in Stadium of Canterbury:
on a related but completely opposite note, the same dreamers who are always pushing this stuff are trying to leverage our possibility of hosting Olympic football in 2032 to once again try for a 20,000 seat stadium
In a city of 150,000
without a major sports team to play in it
I am sure the 800 strong crowd at a Northern Pride game will loooove all the additional space
I am becoming more and more convinced that the people who work in public infrastructure are mentally deficient
It's interesting the stadium capacities for NZ towns and cities compared to size of town. They are ridiculous.
(I've used the new proposed one for Chch)
OK, some of them are just a grandstand plus banks and terraces. But still.
Invercargill is probably not much different to current Cairns. But I assume the new Cairns proposal is more bells and whistles than Rugby Park, and whatever Cairns have. They used an athletics stadium in the RLWC? That was a bit shit, I admit.
Population Stadium Capapcity % of population
Whangarei 54400 18500 34%
Auckland 1470000 47000 3%
Pukekohe 26500 12000 45%
Hamilton 176500 25800 15%
Tauranga 151300 5000 3%
New Plymouth 57600 22000 38%
Napier-Hastings 115300 19700 17%
Palmerston North 81500 15000 18%
Wellington 429700 34500 8%
Nelson 51100 18000 35%
Christchurch 383200 25000 7%
Dunedin 106200 30748 29%
Invercargill 50200 18000 36% -
@dogmeat how many other stadiums over 20k does london have though, id say more than 10
the rational of % of population does have an upper limit as we're just never going to get +200k full seated stadiums
edit: looked it up, exactly 10
- Wembley Stadium 90,000 City
Arsenal Emirates Stadium 60,000 City
West Ham United London Stadium 60,000 City
Chelsea Stamford Bridge 41,837 City
Tottenham Hotspur White Hart Lane 36,240 City
Charlton Athletic The Valley 27,111 City
Crystal Palace Selhurst Park 26,225 City
Fulham Craven Cottage 25,700 City
Reading Madejski Stadium 24,161 Region
Watford Vicarage Road 21,500 Metro
- Wembley Stadium 90,000 City
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@dogmeat how many other stadiums over 20k does london have though, id say more than 10
the rational of % of population does have an upper limit as we're just never going to get +200k full seated stadiums
edit: looked it up, exactly 10
- Wembley Stadium 90,000 City
Arsenal Emirates Stadium 60,000 City
West Ham United London Stadium 60,000 City
Chelsea Stamford Bridge 41,837 City
Tottenham Hotspur White Hart Lane 36,240 City
Charlton Athletic The Valley 27,111 City
Crystal Palace Selhurst Park 26,225 City
Fulham Craven Cottage 25,700 City
Reading Madejski Stadium 24,161 Region
Watford Vicarage Road 21,500 Metro
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@dogmeat how many other stadiums over 20k does london have though, id say more than 10
the rational of % of population does have an upper limit as we're just never going to get +200k full seated stadiums
edit: looked it up, exactly 10
- Wembley Stadium 90,000 City
Arsenal Emirates Stadium 60,000 City
West Ham United London Stadium 60,000 City
Chelsea Stamford Bridge 41,837 City
Tottenham Hotspur White Hart Lane 36,240 City
Charlton Athletic The Valley 27,111 City
Crystal Palace Selhurst Park 26,225 City
Fulham Craven Cottage 25,700 City
Reading Madejski Stadium 24,161 Region
Watford Vicarage Road 21,500 Metro
Isn't at least one big stadium missing from that list?
- Wembley Stadium 90,000 City
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@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@dogmeat how many other stadiums over 20k does london have though, id say more than 10
the rational of % of population does have an upper limit as we're just never going to get +200k full seated stadiums
edit: looked it up, exactly 10
- Wembley Stadium 90,000 City
Arsenal Emirates Stadium 60,000 City
West Ham United London Stadium 60,000 City
Chelsea Stamford Bridge 41,837 City
Tottenham Hotspur White Hart Lane 36,240 City
Charlton Athletic The Valley 27,111 City
Crystal Palace Selhurst Park 26,225 City
Fulham Craven Cottage 25,700 City
Reading Madejski Stadium 24,161 Region
Watford Vicarage Road 21,500 Metro
Isn't at least one big stadium missing from that list?
- Wembley Stadium 90,000 City
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@gt12 oh yeah! didn't even check it, should you how football focused things in the UK can get
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@gt12 oh yeah! didn't even check it, should you how football focused things in the UK can get
Just here to support your argument, there is definitely more than 10.
