All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug

pakman

Any word on Coles/Barrett (S)/Jordan injury status? All would be in 23 if fit.

Duluth

Here's Knowler's selection predictions

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300380082/all-blacks-will-ian-foster-stay-loyal-for-bledisloe-ii-in-auckland

Given the comments this week from Plumtree etc I'm not expecting many

ploughboy

would like two changes Jacobson for savea and BB for Dmac

Machpants

@ploughboy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

would like two changes Jacobson for savea and BB for Dmac

Jordie is not a bench impact player, he either starts at 15, or is not in 23. So I'd get another winger

Kirwan

@ploughboy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

would like two changes Jacobson for savea and BB for Dmac

Am sure BB would like the opportunity to get played into form that BBBR is getting.

Kirwan

I'd bring Jordan in for Reece, BB for Dmac, Jacobson for Savea (Savea to the bench).

I'd give DH another chance at 12 to tidy up his defence and run straighter to allow ALB to do something other than tidy up RM, Dmac, Reece and DH sideways running.

Bovidae

Beauden wants to be a 1st 5 so probably isn't an option at fullback now. I'd quite like to see JB given a chance, only for a comparison.

I'm not expecting many changes in the starting XV but a few on the bench.

Kirwan

@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

Beauden wants to be a 1st 5 so probably isn't an option at fullback now. I'd quite like to see JB given a chance, only for a comparison.

I'm not expecting many changes in the starting XV but a few on the bench.

RI wants to be a 13 and is playing 11...

Machpants

@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

Beauden wants to be a 1st 5 so probably isn't an option at fullback now. I'd quite like to see JB given a chance, only for a comparison.

I'm not expecting many changes in the starting XV but a few on the bench.

RI wants to be a 13 and is playing 11...

Beaudy had won world player of the year at first five, so is better there. Rieko set the world on fire as a winger. So not quite the same comparison, beaudy was forced to permanent full back, Ioane forced his way to centre. But beaudy had not had the time that Brodie got, I guess as ten is so hyper important. It's his own fault for going too Japan after RWC rather than staying and fighting tho

Kirwan

@machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

Beauden wants to be a 1st 5 so probably isn't an option at fullback now. I'd quite like to see JB given a chance, only for a comparison.

I'm not expecting many changes in the starting XV but a few on the bench.

RI wants to be a 13 and is playing 11...

Beaudy had won world player of the year at first five, so is better there. Rieko set the world on fire as a winger. So not quite the same comparison, beaudy was forced to permanent full back, Ioane forced his way to centre. But beaudy had not had the time that Brodie got, I guess as ten is so hyper important. It's his own fault for going too Japan after RWC rather than staying and fighting tho

BB started as a fullback for the All Blacks, and had some of his best games there.

As for the Japan part, it's interesting noting the different attitudes to BBBR and BB doing exactly the same thing.

Machpants

@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

@machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

Beauden wants to be a 1st 5 so probably isn't an option at fullback now. I'd quite like to see JB given a chance, only for a comparison.

I'm not expecting many changes in the starting XV but a few on the bench.

RI wants to be a 13 and is playing 11...

Beaudy had won world player of the year at first five, so is better there. Rieko set the world on fire as a winger. So not quite the same comparison, beaudy was forced to permanent full back, Ioane forced his way to centre. But beaudy had not had the time that Brodie got, I guess as ten is so hyper important. It's his own fault for going too Japan after RWC rather than staying and fighting tho

BB started as a fullback for the All Blacks, and had some of his best games there.

As for the Japan part, it's interesting noting the different attitudes to BBBR and BB doing exactly the same thing.

For sure, he's a great full back. But he's a better ten. Well he was before he was sure horned into permanent 15 because of DMac injury and then playing in Japan. Ten is so important, I don't think you can be a dilettante and be awesome.

gt12

@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

@machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

Beauden wants to be a 1st 5 so probably isn't an option at fullback now. I'd quite like to see JB given a chance, only for a comparison.

I'm not expecting many changes in the starting XV but a few on the bench.

RI wants to be a 13 and is playing 11...

Beaudy had won world player of the year at first five, so is better there. Rieko set the world on fire as a winger. So not quite the same comparison, beaudy was forced to permanent full back, Ioane forced his way to centre. But beaudy had not had the time that Brodie got, I guess as ten is so hyper important. It's his own fault for going too Japan after RWC rather than staying and fighting tho

BB started as a fullback for the All Blacks, and had some of his best games there.

As for the Japan part, it's interesting noting the different attitudes to BBBR and BB doing exactly the same thing.

Yeah, I think they’ve basically told Barrett that he has to sit on the bench because he is not the incumbent, but he was only at 15 due to their request.

I hope that Mo’unga is as good as they think he is, because sitting a World Player of the Year out is a coaching call we have not really talked about much, yet.

pakman

Not going to happen, but I shouldn’t be averse to Ardie and Paps as dual flankers with Akira at 8.

Kirwan

@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

Not going to happen, but I shouldn’t be averse to Ardie and Paps as dual flankers with Akira at 8.

Yeah, can see the value of that. But since 6 has been such a huge problem since Kaino retired, would rather they leave Akira alone at 6.

sparky

Unless any of the injured players are back, I'd go with the same team but with one of the Barretts (not Scott) at Fullback.

pakman

@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

Not going to happen, but I shouldn’t be averse to Ardie and Paps as dual flankers with Akira at 8.

Yeah, can see the value of that. But since 6 has been such a huge problem since Kaino retired, would rather they leave Akira alone at 6.

Off back of scrum on attacking ball Akira has more oomph. But agree stick to 6 on defensive ones.

booboo

@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

@machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

Beauden wants to be a 1st 5 so probably isn't an option at fullback now. I'd quite like to see JB given a chance, only for a comparison.

I'm not expecting many changes in the starting XV but a few on the bench.

RI wants to be a 13 and is playing 11...

Beaudy had won world player of the year at first five, so is better there. Rieko set the world on fire as a winger. So not quite the same comparison, beaudy was forced to permanent full back, Ioane forced his way to centre. But beaudy had not had the time that Brodie got, I guess as ten is so hyper important. It's his own fault for going too Japan after RWC rather than staying and fighting tho

BB started as a fullback for the All Blacks, and had some of his best games there.

As for the Japan part, it's interesting noting the different attitudes to BBBR and BB doing exactly the same thing.

Not sure there's a direct comparison due to the options in their positions.

Toddy

@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

@machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

Beauden wants to be a 1st 5 so probably isn't an option at fullback now. I'd quite like to see JB given a chance, only for a comparison.

I'm not expecting many changes in the starting XV but a few on the bench.

RI wants to be a 13 and is playing 11...

Beaudy had won world player of the year at first five, so is better there. Rieko set the world on fire as a winger. So not quite the same comparison, beaudy was forced to permanent full back, Ioane forced his way to centre. But beaudy had not had the time that Brodie got, I guess as ten is so hyper important. It's his own fault for going too Japan after RWC rather than staying and fighting tho

BB started as a fullback for the All Blacks, and had some of his best games there.

As for the Japan part, it's interesting noting the different attitudes to BBBR and BB doing exactly the same thing.

I hear what you're saying but there is a big difference when you look at the players in the 10 jersey and the available locks.

It was arguable that RM had overtaken BB before he left overseas where as card happy SB and Patty Tulip wouldn't be allowed to lace up BBBR boots.

BB should be back playing 80 minutes for Taranaki at the moment imo.

Also hope they don't move Akira. Let him settle at 6 and stay there for the whole year.

gt12

Team here:

George Bower (4)
Codie Taylor (59)
Nepo Laulala (32)
Brodie Retallick (84)
Samuel Whitelock (126) - captain
Akira Ioane (5)
Dalton Papalii (6)
Ardie Savea (51)
Aaron Smith (100)
Richie Mo’unga (25)
Sevu Reece (11)
David Havili (6)
Rieko Ioane (38)
Will Jordan (5)
Damian McKenzie (31)
Samisoni Taukei’aho (2)
Karl Tu’inukuafe (19)
Angus Ta’avao (17)
Scott Barrett (42)
Luke Jacobson (6)
TJ Perenara (69)
Beauden Barrett (92)
Jordie Barrett (26)

Machpants

@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:

George Bower (4)

Codie Taylor (59)

Nepo Laulala (32)

Brodie Retallick (84)

Samuel Whitelock (126) - captain

Akira Ioane (5)

Dalton Papalii (6)

Ardie Savea (51)

Aaron Smith (100)

Richie Mo’unga (25)

Sevu Reece (11)

David Havili (6)

Rieko Ioane (38)

Will Jordan (5)

Damian McKenzie (31)

Samisoni Taukei’aho (2)

Karl Tu’inukuafe (19)

Angus Ta’avao (17)

Scott Barrett (42)

Luke Jacobson (6)

TJ Perenara (69)

Beauden Barrett (92)

Jordie Barrett (26)

Fuck sake

The Silver Fern

All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug