All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug
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like it or not, Ioane is the best centre available.
Problem based on last week is, he's not going to straighten the attack, his main weapo is the outside shoulder. So someone else is going to have to do it. Based on recent history, that person doesn't exist. So, as unfair as it is, Havili needs to step up and shoulder the responsibility, despite still having his training wheels on.
Those wiiiiide loose forwards may as well stand next to the touchie if everyone doesn't sort their fucking act out.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
like it or not, Ioane is the best centre available.
Problem based on last week is, he's not going to straighten the attack, his main weapo is the outside shoulder. So someone else is going to have to do it. Based on recent history, that person doesn't exist. So, as unfair as it is, Havili needs to step up and shoulder the responsibility, despite still having his training wheels on.
Those wiiiiide loose forwards may as well stand next to the touchie if everyone doesn't sort their fucking act out.
DH definitely needs to straighten at times, because you can't have RM going sideways AND then DH doing the same (and then Dmac drifting as well)
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You have all pretty much proved my point. We are thin at 13, and RI was the next best answer.
I did think of Ennor but would prefer RI. The other two are a stretch. Good players but probably not the match to bring them in.
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It was never going to be Ennor, because he's supposed to make his comeback in black after playing NPC first.
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
It was never going to be Ennor, because he's supposed to make his comeback in black after playing NPC first.
Then why fucking select him? This is not me having a go at you, but the selectors.
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If ALB is injured they have to select Ioane. I wouldn’t mind seeing ALB/Ioane again either. But why Ennor isn’t now on the bench I don’t get. There is no need to not have specialist cover.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
If ALB is injured they have to select Ioane. I wouldn’t mind seeing ALB/Ioane again either. But why Ennor isn’t now on the bench I don’t get. There is no need to not have specialist cover.
Didn’t Ennor just have his appendix out? Regardless, I’d take Ioane over him any day and I do not rate as Ioane as a 13.
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Ioane is a quality centre, good defender, and had the by far the best try assist stats of any NZ centre in Super Rugby. The only choice.
@tim said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
Ioane is a quality centre, good defender, and had the by far the best try assist stats of any NZ centre in Super Rugby. The only choice.
Absolutely. Arguably our best midfield is ALB and Ioane anyway.
Its what I would do if they insist on Dmac at 15, at least.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
like it or not, Ioane is the best centre available.
Problem based on last week is, he's not going to straighten the attack, his main weapo is the outside shoulder. So someone else is going to have to do it. Based on recent history, that person doesn't exist. So, as unfair as it is, Havili needs to step up and shoulder the responsibility, despite still having his training wheels on.
Those wiiiiide loose forwards may as well stand next to the touchie if everyone doesn't sort their fucking act out.
DH definitely needs to straighten at times, because you can't have RM going sideways AND then DH doing the same (and then Dmac drifting as well)
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
like it or not, Ioane is the best centre available.
Problem based on last week is, he's not going to straighten the attack, his main weapo is the outside shoulder. So someone else is going to have to do it. Based on recent history, that person doesn't exist. So, as unfair as it is, Havili needs to step up and shoulder the responsibility, despite still having his training wheels on.
Those wiiiiide loose forwards may as well stand next to the touchie if everyone doesn't sort their fucking act out.
DH definitely needs to straighten at times, because you can't have RM going sideways AND then DH doing the same (and then Dmac drifting as well)
you know, if we could get RM and DH playing straight as fuck (like Cruden and SBW for instance) then that back 4 would make fucking bank off that. Speed to burn.
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@tim said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
Ioane is a quality centre, good defender, and had the by far the best try assist stats of any NZ centre in Super Rugby. The only choice.
Absolutely. Arguably our best midfield is ALB and Ioane anyway.
Its what I would do if they insist on Dmac at 15, at least.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@tim said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
Ioane is a quality centre, good defender, and had the by far the best try assist stats of any NZ centre in Super Rugby. The only choice.
Absolutely. Arguably our best midfield is ALB and Ioane anyway.
Its what I would do if they insist on Dmac at 15, at least.
If DH is shakey again on defence, and doesn't straighten like Fozzie asked for, then ALB or Tupou at 12 will probably be looked at.
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If ALB is injured they have to select Ioane. I wouldn’t mind seeing ALB/Ioane again either. But why Ennor isn’t now on the bench I don’t get. There is no need to not have specialist cover.
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@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
like it or not, Ioane is the best centre available.
Problem based on last week is, he's not going to straighten the attack, his main weapo is the outside shoulder. So someone else is going to have to do it. Based on recent history, that person doesn't exist. So, as unfair as it is, Havili needs to step up and shoulder the responsibility, despite still having his training wheels on.
Those wiiiiide loose forwards may as well stand next to the touchie if everyone doesn't sort their fucking act out.
DH definitely needs to straighten at times, because you can't have RM going sideways AND then DH doing the same (and then Dmac drifting as well)
you know, if we could get RM and DH playing straight as fuck (like Cruden and SBW for instance) then that back 4 would make fucking bank off that. Speed to burn.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
like it or not, Ioane is the best centre available.
Problem based on last week is, he's not going to straighten the attack, his main weapo is the outside shoulder. So someone else is going to have to do it. Based on recent history, that person doesn't exist. So, as unfair as it is, Havili needs to step up and shoulder the responsibility, despite still having his training wheels on.
Those wiiiiide loose forwards may as well stand next to the touchie if everyone doesn't sort their fucking act out.
DH definitely needs to straighten at times, because you can't have RM going sideways AND then DH doing the same (and then Dmac drifting as well)
you know, if we could get RM and DH playing straight as fuck (like Cruden and SBW for instance) then that back 4 would make fucking bank off that. Speed to burn.
That really shows how poor our options are - both of those were second choice - but if available now, and in that form, they’d walk into my team.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
like it or not, Ioane is the best centre available.
Problem based on last week is, he's not going to straighten the attack, his main weapo is the outside shoulder. So someone else is going to have to do it. Based on recent history, that person doesn't exist. So, as unfair as it is, Havili needs to step up and shoulder the responsibility, despite still having his training wheels on.
Those wiiiiide loose forwards may as well stand next to the touchie if everyone doesn't sort their fucking act out.
DH definitely needs to straighten at times, because you can't have RM going sideways AND then DH doing the same (and then Dmac drifting as well)
you know, if we could get RM and DH playing straight as fuck (like Cruden and SBW for instance) then that back 4 would make fucking bank off that. Speed to burn.
That really shows how poor our options are - both of those were second choice - but if available now, and in that form, they’d walk into my team.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
If ALB is injured they have to select Ioane.
Which was my point. We didn't have any other options, as was proven by the answers that I got.
@snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
If ALB is injured they have to select Ioane.
Which was my point. We didn't have any other options, as was proven by the answers that I got.
Sorry, we were working at cross purposes. I was posting about the bench option - I didn’t realize some were trying to argue against Rieko at 13. That’s a no-brainer (at least until Goodhue returns).
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
both of those were second choice
Not just second choice to anybody, second choice compared to all time greats.
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
both of those were second choice
Not just second choice to anybody, second choice compared to all time greats.
Which makes them much fairer comparisons, doesn’t it?
If our current starters aren’t as good as our old benchies, isn’t that problematic?
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@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
It was never going to be Ennor, because he's supposed to make his comeback in black after playing NPC first.
Then why fucking select him? This is not me having a go at you, but the selectors.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
It was never going to be Ennor, because he's supposed to make his comeback in black after playing NPC first.
Then why fucking select him? This is not me having a go at you, but the selectors.
Filling the safe white boy quota.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
It was never going to be Ennor, because he's supposed to make his comeback in black after playing NPC first.
Then why fucking select him? This is not me having a go at you, but the selectors.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
It was never going to be Ennor, because he's supposed to make his comeback in black after playing NPC first.
Then why fucking select him? This is not me having a go at you, but the selectors.
Because the team was named for RC too, so he will no doubt be in team in Aus.
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It shows how valuable ALB is because he is the only midfielder I, and I'm sure most others, would be comfortable with in the 12 or 13 jersey. The others in the squad are specialists in one position and either untested or not as good in the other.
Tupaea finally gets to play at 2nd 5 so I wouldn't want him thrown into centre. Then moving Havili. No other choice at the moment.
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@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
like it or not, Ioane is the best centre available.
Problem based on last week is, he's not going to straighten the attack, his main weapo is the outside shoulder. So someone else is going to have to do it. Based on recent history, that person doesn't exist. So, as unfair as it is, Havili needs to step up and shoulder the responsibility, despite still having his training wheels on.
Those wiiiiide loose forwards may as well stand next to the touchie if everyone doesn't sort their fucking act out.
DH definitely needs to straighten at times, because you can't have RM going sideways AND then DH doing the same (and then Dmac drifting as well)
you know, if we could get RM and DH playing straight as fuck (like Cruden and SBW for instance) then that back 4 would make fucking bank off that. Speed to burn.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
you know, if we could get RM and DH playing straight as fuck (like Cruden and SBW for instance) then that back 4 would make fucking bank off that. Speed to burn.
I don't think you'll get RM playing straight but that's not an issue if the 12 is more direct. Havili can do that but I think he got into bad habits in SR TT and the games against the PI sides.
Good to see Foster criticise the midfield last week. He recognised the problem and now Havili has the chance to correct it
