All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
like it or not, Ioane is the best centre available.
Problem based on last week is, he's not going to straighten the attack, his main weapo is the outside shoulder. So someone else is going to have to do it. Based on recent history, that person doesn't exist. So, as unfair as it is, Havili needs to step up and shoulder the responsibility, despite still having his training wheels on.
Those wiiiiide loose forwards may as well stand next to the touchie if everyone doesn't sort their fucking act out.
DH definitely needs to straighten at times, because you can't have RM going sideways AND then DH doing the same (and then Dmac drifting as well)
you know, if we could get RM and DH playing straight as fuck (like Cruden and SBW for instance) then that back 4 would make fucking bank off that. Speed to burn.
That really shows how poor our options are - both of those were second choice - but if available now, and in that form, they’d walk into my team.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
If ALB is injured they have to select Ioane.
Which was my point. We didn't have any other options, as was proven by the answers that I got.
@snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
If ALB is injured they have to select Ioane.
Which was my point. We didn't have any other options, as was proven by the answers that I got.
Sorry, we were working at cross purposes. I was posting about the bench option - I didn’t realize some were trying to argue against Rieko at 13. That’s a no-brainer (at least until Goodhue returns).
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
both of those were second choice
Not just second choice to anybody, second choice compared to all time greats.
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
both of those were second choice
Not just second choice to anybody, second choice compared to all time greats.
Which makes them much fairer comparisons, doesn’t it?
If our current starters aren’t as good as our old benchies, isn’t that problematic?
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@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
It was never going to be Ennor, because he's supposed to make his comeback in black after playing NPC first.
Then why fucking select him? This is not me having a go at you, but the selectors.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
It was never going to be Ennor, because he's supposed to make his comeback in black after playing NPC first.
Then why fucking select him? This is not me having a go at you, but the selectors.
Filling the safe white boy quota.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
It was never going to be Ennor, because he's supposed to make his comeback in black after playing NPC first.
Then why fucking select him? This is not me having a go at you, but the selectors.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
It was never going to be Ennor, because he's supposed to make his comeback in black after playing NPC first.
Then why fucking select him? This is not me having a go at you, but the selectors.
Because the team was named for RC too, so he will no doubt be in team in Aus.
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It shows how valuable ALB is because he is the only midfielder I, and I'm sure most others, would be comfortable with in the 12 or 13 jersey. The others in the squad are specialists in one position and either untested or not as good in the other.
Tupaea finally gets to play at 2nd 5 so I wouldn't want him thrown into centre. Then moving Havili. No other choice at the moment.
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@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
like it or not, Ioane is the best centre available.
Problem based on last week is, he's not going to straighten the attack, his main weapo is the outside shoulder. So someone else is going to have to do it. Based on recent history, that person doesn't exist. So, as unfair as it is, Havili needs to step up and shoulder the responsibility, despite still having his training wheels on.
Those wiiiiide loose forwards may as well stand next to the touchie if everyone doesn't sort their fucking act out.
DH definitely needs to straighten at times, because you can't have RM going sideways AND then DH doing the same (and then Dmac drifting as well)
you know, if we could get RM and DH playing straight as fuck (like Cruden and SBW for instance) then that back 4 would make fucking bank off that. Speed to burn.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
you know, if we could get RM and DH playing straight as fuck (like Cruden and SBW for instance) then that back 4 would make fucking bank off that. Speed to burn.
I don't think you'll get RM playing straight but that's not an issue if the 12 is more direct. Havili can do that but I think he got into bad habits in SR TT and the games against the PI sides.
Good to see Foster criticise the midfield last week. He recognised the problem and now Havili has the chance to correct it
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
you know, if we could get RM and DH playing straight as fuck (like Cruden and SBW for instance) then that back 4 would make fucking bank off that. Speed to burn.
I don't think you'll get RM playing straight but that's not an issue if the 12 is more direct. Havili can do that but I think he got into bad habits in SR TT and the games against the PI sides.
Good to see Foster criticise the midfield last week. He recognised the problem and now Havili has the chance to correct it
@duluth said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
I don't think you'll get RM playing straight
that really is an issue.
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Wallabies selection will be interesting - I hear they're brining Swinton back in favour of Valetini I guess. White also available at 9, Koroibete on a wing, Naisarani maybe off the bench in place of McReight (who didn't do much wrong).
I don't know why they keep talking about Pone Fa'amausili - the guy isn't fit enough for Test rugby IMHO.
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P.S. Loving the angst on here from you guys - history has shown that the ABs might have a shit first up run against the Wallabies, then turn on the afterburners in game 2 and fucking slaughter us.
@nta said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
P.S. Loving the angst on here from you guys - history has shown that the ABs might have a shit first up run against the Wallabies, then turn on the afterburners in game 2 and fucking slaughter us.
You know who our coach is right?
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like it or not, Ioane is the best centre available.
Problem based on last week is, he's not going to straighten the attack, his main weapo is the outside shoulder. So someone else is going to have to do it. Based on recent history, that person doesn't exist. So, as unfair as it is, Havili needs to step up and shoulder the responsibility, despite still having his training wheels on.
Those wiiiiide loose forwards may as well stand next to the touchie if everyone doesn't sort their fucking act out.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
like it or not, Ioane is the best centre available.
Problem based on last week is, he's not going to straighten the attack, his main weapo is the outside shoulder. So someone else is going to have to do it. Based on recent history, that person doesn't exist. So, as unfair as it is, Havili needs to step up and shoulder the responsibility, despite still having his training wheels on.
Those wiiiiide loose forwards may as well stand next to the touchie if everyone doesn't sort their fucking act out.
Are you sure?
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P.S. Loving the angst on here from you guys - history has shown that the ABs might have a shit first up run against the Wallabies, then turn on the afterburners in game 2 and fucking slaughter us.
@nta said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
P.S. Loving the angst on here from you guys - history has shown that the ABs might have a shit first up run against the Wallabies, then turn on the afterburners in game 2 and fucking slaughter us.
Stop being humble. It does not become you or any Wallabies fan.
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P.S. Loving the angst on here from you guys - history has shown that the ABs might have a shit first up run against the Wallabies, then turn on the afterburners in game 2 and fucking slaughter us.
@nta said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
P.S. Loving the angst on here from you guys - history has shown that the ABs might have a shit first up run against the Wallabies, then turn on the afterburners in game 2 and fucking slaughter us.
in the past though we have played somewhere else, and then gone to Eden Park
This time we are still at Eden Park, and i read today that we lost our frikken aura again (worse than my kids, seriously) and the young Aussies have absolutely no pressure on them.
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ALB having a "knock to the knee" doesn't explain why a guy who isn't a #8 is playing at #8.
Or the plethora of Barrett's
But really, this is what we've got now, so lets hope they learned a few lessons from Saturday. Or you know, the French series just been.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
ALB having a "knock to the knee" doesn't explain why a guy who isn't a #8 is playing at #8.
In case you missed me pointing it out earlier - I distinctly heard Foster say that for them, Ardie is a #8 who can also play #7.
Don't expect to see a change any time soon, unless Jacobson can somehow force his way in.
It's the problem with having three very good 7s - Foster will be continually tempted to try to cram them into the team.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
ALB having a "knock to the knee" doesn't explain why a guy who isn't a #8 is playing at #8.
In case you missed me pointing it out earlier - I distinctly heard Foster say that for them, Ardie is a #8 who can also play #7.
Don't expect to see a change any time soon, unless Jacobson can somehow force his way in.
It's the problem with having three very good 7s - Foster will be continually tempted to try to cram them into the team.
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
It's the problem with having three very good 7s - Foster will be continually tempted to try to cram them into the team.
I think it's just that they aren't comfortable having 3 loosies without many Tests. So Ardie will be in the trio until a 'safe' game or later in the year when the experience has built up
Until then I doubt we see the form trio of Papali'i/Jacobson/Ioane
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@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
It's the problem with having three very good 7s - Foster will be continually tempted to try to cram them into the team.
I think it's just that they aren't comfortable having 3 loosies without many Tests. So Ardie will be in the trio until a 'safe' game or later in the year when the experience has built up
Until then I doubt we see the form trio of Papali'i/Jacobson/Ioane
@duluth said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
It's the problem with having three very good 7s - Foster will be continually tempted to try to cram them into the team.
I think it's just that they aren't comfortable having 3 loosies without many Tests. So Ardie will be in the trio until a 'safe' game or later in the year when the experience has built up
Until then I doubt we see the form trio of Papali'i/Jacobson/Ioane
i could get with that, except we are playing Hooper and a couple of absolute babies for the Wallabies. This is the perfect time. Especially when they are operating "between" absolute super star veterans at 4,5 and 9
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@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
It's the problem with having three very good 7s - Foster will be continually tempted to try to cram them into the team.
I think it's just that they aren't comfortable having 3 loosies without many Tests. So Ardie will be in the trio until a 'safe' game or later in the year when the experience has built up
Until then I doubt we see the form trio of Papali'i/Jacobson/Ioane
@duluth said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
It's the problem with having three very good 7s - Foster will be continually tempted to try to cram them into the team.
I think it's just that they aren't comfortable having 3 loosies without many Tests. So Ardie will be in the trio until a 'safe' game or later in the year when the experience has built up
Until then I doubt we see the form trio of Papali'i/Jacobson/Ioane
Ironically Ardie was the one who looked more like a rookie last week. The other two were solid as.
