Super Rugby 2022
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I'm never a fan of structures with these random games, teams that have to play the crusaders or blues have a slightly harder road than those playing the tahs for example
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Someone should just come up with a system that you don't play the same 3 teams (as the extra games) in consecutive seasons and rotate opponents. The strength of teams could change from season to season so if there is a simple method that is transparent no one can complain.
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Someone should just come up with a system that you don't play the same 3 teams (as the extra games) in consecutive seasons and rotate opponents. The strength of teams could change from season to season so if there is a simple method that is transparent no one can complain.
@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
Someone should just come up with a system that you don't play the same 3 teams (as the extra games) in consecutive seasons and rotate opponents. The strength of teams could change from season to season so if there is a simple method that is transparent no one can complain.
Not perfect but better than ozzies getting an easy path. Key thing to me is no auromatic finals slots. NZR paying the lions share of Fiji and Pacific, I hope they trumpet this to the NH tossers out there, I think it's fair that ozzie get more money as they'll lose on gates with their non domestic games.
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@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
Someone should just come up with a system that you don't play the same 3 teams (as the extra games) in consecutive seasons and rotate opponents. The strength of teams could change from season to season so if there is a simple method that is transparent no one can complain.
Not perfect but better than ozzies getting an easy path. Key thing to me is no auromatic finals slots. NZR paying the lions share of Fiji and Pacific, I hope they trumpet this to the NH tossers out there, I think it's fair that ozzie get more money as they'll lose on gates with their non domestic games.
@machpants said in Super Rugby 2022:
@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
Someone should just come up with a system that you don't play the same 3 teams (as the extra games) in consecutive seasons and rotate opponents. The strength of teams could change from season to season so if there is a simple method that is transparent no one can complain.
Not perfect but better than ozzies getting an easy path. Key thing to me is no auromatic finals slots. NZR paying the lions share of Fiji and Pacific, I hope they trumpet this to the NH tossers out there, I think it's fair that ozzie get more money as they'll lose on gates with their non domestic games.
Much better than what RA was proposing,I can live with this format,It is fairer than guaranteed Semi Finals etc.
I can see the Crusaders and Blues playing each other twice in this RR format,Blues first and Crusaders finished 3rd in TT comp, sets that up in the extra 3 games format.
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@derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
There is barely anything to like about this from an Aussie perspective. Fuck RA.
I honestly don't see what you hate so much about it. My recollection as a young kid (might be wrong, happy to be corrected) was that back in the late 70s early 80s we used used kick the shit out of the Wallabies routinely. I don't recall them ever having any national comp, just club rugby. The advent of the super rugby in all its forms (Super 6 or 10 or whatever it was) helped Australia to become a major world power in the game and you've won the RWC multiple times. I don't think you win those cups without transtasman rugby comps raising the level and ultimately bringing in money. What will Australia do if they go it alone? Rugby is the third code in Oz, it will always have a tough time growing (not to say they can't do better mind you). The last attempt at a national comp died a quick death didn't it? From where I'm sitting you need us as much as we all need each other
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@derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
There is barely anything to like about this from an Aussie perspective. Fuck RA.
I honestly don't see what you hate so much about it. My recollection as a young kid (might be wrong, happy to be corrected) was that back in the late 70s early 80s we used used kick the shit out of the Wallabies routinely. I don't recall them ever having any national comp, just club rugby. The advent of the super rugby in all its forms (Super 6 or 10 or whatever it was) helped Australia to become a major world power in the game and you've won the RWC multiple times. I don't think you win those cups without transtasman rugby comps raising the level and ultimately bringing in money. What will Australia do if they go it alone? Rugby is the third code in Oz, it will always have a tough time growing (not to say they can't do better mind you). The last attempt at a national comp died a quick death didn't it? From where I'm sitting you need us as much as we all need each other
@canefan said in Super Rugby 2022:
@derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
There is barely anything to like about this from an Aussie perspective. Fuck RA.
I honestly don't see what you hate so much about it. My recollection as a young kid (might be wrong, happy to be corrected) was that back in the late 70s early 80s we used used kick the shit out of the Wallabies routinely. I don't recall them ever having any national comp, just club rugby. The advent of the super rugby in all its forms (Super 6 or 10 or whatever it was) helped Australia to become a major world power in the game and you've won the RWC multiple times. I don't think you win those cups without transtasman rugby comps raising the level and ultimately bringing in money. What will Australia do if they go it alone? Rugby is the third code in Oz, it will always have a tough time growing (not to say they can't do better mind you). The last attempt at a national comp died a quick death didn't it? From where I'm sitting you need us as much as we all need each other
It’d be 4th behind Loigue, Aussie Rules and Soccer wouldn’t it ?
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@canefan said in Super Rugby 2022:
@derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
There is barely anything to like about this from an Aussie perspective. Fuck RA.
I honestly don't see what you hate so much about it. My recollection as a young kid (might be wrong, happy to be corrected) was that back in the late 70s early 80s we used used kick the shit out of the Wallabies routinely. I don't recall them ever having any national comp, just club rugby. The advent of the super rugby in all its forms (Super 6 or 10 or whatever it was) helped Australia to become a major world power in the game and you've won the RWC multiple times. I don't think you win those cups without transtasman rugby comps raising the level and ultimately bringing in money. What will Australia do if they go it alone? Rugby is the third code in Oz, it will always have a tough time growing (not to say they can't do better mind you). The last attempt at a national comp died a quick death didn't it? From where I'm sitting you need us as much as we all need each other
It’d be 4th behind Loigue, Aussie Rules and Soccer wouldn’t it ?
@mn5 said in Super Rugby 2022:
@canefan said in Super Rugby 2022:
@derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
There is barely anything to like about this from an Aussie perspective. Fuck RA.
I honestly don't see what you hate so much about it. My recollection as a young kid (might be wrong, happy to be corrected) was that back in the late 70s early 80s we used used kick the shit out of the Wallabies routinely. I don't recall them ever having any national comp, just club rugby. The advent of the super rugby in all its forms (Super 6 or 10 or whatever it was) helped Australia to become a major world power in the game and you've won the RWC multiple times. I don't think you win those cups without transtasman rugby comps raising the level and ultimately bringing in money. What will Australia do if they go it alone? Rugby is the third code in Oz, it will always have a tough time growing (not to say they can't do better mind you). The last attempt at a national comp died a quick death didn't it? From where I'm sitting you need us as much as we all need each other
It’d be 4th behind Loigue, Aussie Rules and Soccer wouldn’t it ?
If you say so, yeah
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@mn5 said in Super Rugby 2022:
@canefan said in Super Rugby 2022:
@derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
There is barely anything to like about this from an Aussie perspective. Fuck RA.
I honestly don't see what you hate so much about it. My recollection as a young kid (might be wrong, happy to be corrected) was that back in the late 70s early 80s we used used kick the shit out of the Wallabies routinely. I don't recall them ever having any national comp, just club rugby. The advent of the super rugby in all its forms (Super 6 or 10 or whatever it was) helped Australia to become a major world power in the game and you've won the RWC multiple times. I don't think you win those cups without transtasman rugby comps raising the level and ultimately bringing in money. What will Australia do if they go it alone? Rugby is the third code in Oz, it will always have a tough time growing (not to say they can't do better mind you). The last attempt at a national comp died a quick death didn't it? From where I'm sitting you need us as much as we all need each other
It’d be 4th behind Loigue, Aussie Rules and Soccer wouldn’t it ?
If you say so, yeah
@canefan said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mn5 said in Super Rugby 2022:
@canefan said in Super Rugby 2022:
@derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
There is barely anything to like about this from an Aussie perspective. Fuck RA.
I honestly don't see what you hate so much about it. My recollection as a young kid (might be wrong, happy to be corrected) was that back in the late 70s early 80s we used used kick the shit out of the Wallabies routinely. I don't recall them ever having any national comp, just club rugby. The advent of the super rugby in all its forms (Super 6 or 10 or whatever it was) helped Australia to become a major world power in the game and you've won the RWC multiple times. I don't think you win those cups without transtasman rugby comps raising the level and ultimately bringing in money. What will Australia do if they go it alone? Rugby is the third code in Oz, it will always have a tough time growing (not to say they can't do better mind you). The last attempt at a national comp died a quick death didn't it? From where I'm sitting you need us as much as we all need each other
It’d be 4th behind Loigue, Aussie Rules and Soccer wouldn’t it ?
If you say so, yeah
Well, as is the case with most of my posts this is tenuously based on any fact, just what I feel might be right.
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@canefan said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mn5 said in Super Rugby 2022:
@canefan said in Super Rugby 2022:
@derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
There is barely anything to like about this from an Aussie perspective. Fuck RA.
I honestly don't see what you hate so much about it. My recollection as a young kid (might be wrong, happy to be corrected) was that back in the late 70s early 80s we used used kick the shit out of the Wallabies routinely. I don't recall them ever having any national comp, just club rugby. The advent of the super rugby in all its forms (Super 6 or 10 or whatever it was) helped Australia to become a major world power in the game and you've won the RWC multiple times. I don't think you win those cups without transtasman rugby comps raising the level and ultimately bringing in money. What will Australia do if they go it alone? Rugby is the third code in Oz, it will always have a tough time growing (not to say they can't do better mind you). The last attempt at a national comp died a quick death didn't it? From where I'm sitting you need us as much as we all need each other
It’d be 4th behind Loigue, Aussie Rules and Soccer wouldn’t it ?
If you say so, yeah
Well, as is the case with most of my posts this is tenuously based on any fact, just what I feel might be right.
@mn5 said in Super Rugby 2022:
@canefan said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mn5 said in Super Rugby 2022:
@canefan said in Super Rugby 2022:
@derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
There is barely anything to like about this from an Aussie perspective. Fuck RA.
I honestly don't see what you hate so much about it. My recollection as a young kid (might be wrong, happy to be corrected) was that back in the late 70s early 80s we used used kick the shit out of the Wallabies routinely. I don't recall them ever having any national comp, just club rugby. The advent of the super rugby in all its forms (Super 6 or 10 or whatever it was) helped Australia to become a major world power in the game and you've won the RWC multiple times. I don't think you win those cups without transtasman rugby comps raising the level and ultimately bringing in money. What will Australia do if they go it alone? Rugby is the third code in Oz, it will always have a tough time growing (not to say they can't do better mind you). The last attempt at a national comp died a quick death didn't it? From where I'm sitting you need us as much as we all need each other
It’d be 4th behind Loigue, Aussie Rules and Soccer wouldn’t it ?
If you say so, yeah
Well, as is the case with most of my posts this is tenuously based on any fact, just what I feel might be right.
I was talking about rugby codes only but did not specify it
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id say soccer/football is ahead of rugby, just the fact greater melbourne can field three professional teams suggests so
lets not forget AFL has the VFL so there is another comp below attracting people on a saturday ave and finally Cricket is up there at the top, maybe not in direct competition for crowds but for sponsorship moneys etc
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I feel I should post something in defense of derpus, i get where he's coming from, being around a club in Melbourne for the first time this year, the aussie guys didn't know who was playing in SRTt finals, there was more interest in the club games...and this is from guys that literally bleed rugby every week...there is a huge disconnect between aussie rugby fans and the super game
most notably for me was our club games being played at the same time as the 5pm super games...rugby vic/ra literally making it impossible for rugby fans to watch super rugby games
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@derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
There is barely anything to like about this from an Aussie perspective. Fuck RA.
I honestly don't see what you hate so much about it. My recollection as a young kid (might be wrong, happy to be corrected) was that back in the late 70s early 80s we used used kick the shit out of the Wallabies routinely. I don't recall them ever having any national comp, just club rugby. The advent of the super rugby in all its forms (Super 6 or 10 or whatever it was) helped Australia to become a major world power in the game and you've won the RWC multiple times. I don't think you win those cups without transtasman rugby comps raising the level and ultimately bringing in money. What will Australia do if they go it alone? Rugby is the third code in Oz, it will always have a tough time growing (not to say they can't do better mind you). The last attempt at a national comp died a quick death didn't it? From where I'm sitting you need us as much as we all need each other
@canefan the last attempt at a national comp was a relative success from a player development perspective but it got tanked by SRU infighting and Rupert only a few years in.
There is plenty to hate the main one being nothing for us to celebrate and therefore be interested in. Who wants to watch a comp in which no one from your entire country has a realistic chance of winning?
They could have done anything - one chance in the last 30 years where they could have done something with a bit of vision and we just end up with more of the same.
Granted, i'm keen to see what Fiji can bring (though that was clearly an NZRU initiative).
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I feel I should post something in defense of derpus, i get where he's coming from, being around a club in Melbourne for the first time this year, the aussie guys didn't know who was playing in SRTt finals, there was more interest in the club games...and this is from guys that literally bleed rugby every week...there is a huge disconnect between aussie rugby fans and the super game
most notably for me was our club games being played at the same time as the 5pm super games...rugby vic/ra literally making it impossible for rugby fans to watch super rugby games
@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
I feel I should post something in defense of derpus, i get where he's coming from, being around a club in Melbourne for the first time this year, the aussie guys didn't know who was playing in SRTt finals, there was more interest in the club games...and this is from guys that literally bleed rugby every week...there is a huge disconnect between aussie rugby fans and the super game
most notably for me was our club games being played at the same time as the 5pm super games...rugby vic/ra literally making it impossible for rugby fans to watch super rugby games
That doesn't make any sense does it? Surely the comps could be organised to play on different days or different times? Melbourne is tough. My 10 year old nephew likes the Storm and the Wallabies. But he loves his footy team
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Hmmmm. 12 teams and 8 make the playoffs.
@billy-tell said in Super Rugby 2022:
Hmmmm. 12 teams and 8 make the playoffs.
Australia pretty much guaranteed 3 spots in the playoffs, and Derpus still unhappy.
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@billy-tell said in Super Rugby 2022:
Hmmmm. 12 teams and 8 make the playoffs.
Australia pretty much guaranteed 3 spots in the playoffs, and Derpus still unhappy.
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@canefan the last attempt at a national comp was a relative success from a player development perspective but it got tanked by SRU infighting and Rupert only a few years in.
There is plenty to hate the main one being nothing for us to celebrate and therefore be interested in. Who wants to watch a comp in which no one from your entire country has a realistic chance of winning?
They could have done anything - one chance in the last 30 years where they could have done something with a bit of vision and we just end up with more of the same.
Granted, i'm keen to see what Fiji can bring (though that was clearly an NZRU initiative).
@derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
@canefan the last attempt at a national comp was a relative success from a player development perspective but it got tanked by SRU infighting and Rupert only a few years in.
There is plenty to hate the main one being nothing for us to celebrate and therefore be interested in. Who wants to watch a comp in which no one from your entire country has a realistic chance of winning?
They could have done anything - one chance in the last 30 years where they could have done something with a bit of vision and we just end up with more of the same.
Granted, i'm keen to see what Fiji can bring (though that was clearly an NZRU initiative).
That's internal problems mate, which I can totally sympathise with. But the key to success at Super level has to be the strong national comp you describe, instead of the strategy RA has used over the years splurging huge money on league converts. Who do I remember as Aussie GOATs in my lifetime? Lynagh, Farr Jones and Campese would stand out from the amateur era, but in the pro era Gregan, Larkham, Eales, Smith among others immediately spring to mind. Not a leagie amongst them. The administration has to take a hard look at themselves and get shit done to prioritise their grass roots comp.
I do agree, Super Rugby has lost its way of late. But it is, along with TRC, part of the foundation that has allowed NZ Oz and SA to win the lion's share of RWCs and dominate world rugby for the last 30 years
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I can understand @Derpus point but it's not that easy to figure out an alternative for RA in the short term.
RA needs volume of games (something this comp provides - 7 home games each).
SRAU simply does not have enough games on it's own.
Also bear in mind - in this format only 3 teams do you play twice - in other words the home games are mostly going to be a once every 2 years experience.
Running two or three rounds of domestic comps playing the same 4 opponents every year is going to wear very thin very quick.
