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Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth)

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  • M Machpants

    @bovidae said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

    @machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

    @kiwimurph said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

    @chris-b when's the last time Perenara played a test or even a game of Super Rugby intensity?

    Not chucking him straight into a Bledisloe to start doesn't mean he's in the dogbox

    About 3 weeks ago

    And TJP was average, throwing out those shit passes again.

    For sure, but the question was 'when's the last time Perenara played a test ...'

    Someone is really not paying attention!

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    @machpants I would have thought the second sentence in @KiwiMurph's post was self-explanatory. 😉

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      Anyway, about selection:

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      • M Machpants

        @kiwimurph said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

        @chris-b when's the last time Perenara played a test or even a game of Super Rugby intensity?

        Not chucking him straight into a Bledisloe to start doesn't mean he's in the dogbox

        About 3 weeks ago

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        @machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

        @kiwimurph said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

        @chris-b when's the last time Perenara played a test or even a game of Super Rugby intensity?

        Not chucking him straight into a Bledisloe to start doesn't mean he's in the dogbox

        About 3 weeks ago

        woops.

        Having looked - he came on after 67 minutes when the game was long gone.

        Since then they've been on break, in lockdown in NZ and then soft quarantine in Aus. Not sure that's enough footy to be thrown straight into starting.

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          To go against the grain, there is nothing wrong with George Bridge - relative strengths are decision making, accuracy and work rate. Certainly doesn’t have Reiko’s speed or Caleb’s tackle breaking capability but very useful. A team is always about a mix of skills and combinations, and his performances at test level have been good. Comparing the Crusaders and Blues backlines over the years, generally they have not had the explosive talent but have always got the results. Having a useful forward pack helps.

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          • K kev

            To go against the grain, there is nothing wrong with George Bridge - relative strengths are decision making, accuracy and work rate. Certainly doesn’t have Reiko’s speed or Caleb’s tackle breaking capability but very useful. A team is always about a mix of skills and combinations, and his performances at test level have been good. Comparing the Crusaders and Blues backlines over the years, generally they have not had the explosive talent but have always got the results. Having a useful forward pack helps.

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            @kev said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

            Comparing the Crusaders and Blues backlines over the years, generally they have not had the explosive talent but have always got the results.

            At Super Rugby level - absolutely.

            At test level - the Crusaders are hardly a factory of gun AB wingers......

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            • L_n_PL L_n_P

              Well ... if you're all going to mock me for trying to get down with the "yoof" ...

              I could join Planet Rugby ... except that's turned into Planet Toxic Politics (TM), so maybe not

              Or maybe the Green-and-Gold-Rugby mob ... except they're currently obsessed with why the ABs won't distribute talent to Oz SR sides, and there's a whole weird groupthink that somehow it's NZR's duty to sort out Australian rugby because NZR needs the Aussie SR TV money.

              Nah, forget it. If I can moan about Fozzie, I'll take the ribbing here instead :winking_face:

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              @landp said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

              I'll take the ribbing here instead

              It's their way of welcoming new people, you've had it easy compared to some. My first post here was in "TX SPK" and I got absolutely abused for it....

              18 yrz l8a n da h8erz still gna h8 😜

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              • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                https://mobile.twitter.com/paulcullystuff/status/1432499798565740544

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                @kiwimurph said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

                https://mobile.twitter.com/paulcullystuff/status/1432499798565740544

                Don't let Quade near the monitors..

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                • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                  @akan004 said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

                  WALLABIES SIDE TO FACE ALL BLACKS IN BLEDISLOE III
                  
                  1. James Slipper (105 Tests)
                  2. Folau Fainga’a (16 Tests)
                  3. Allan Alaalatoa (48 Tests)
                  4. Darcy Swain (5 Tests)
                  5. Matt Philip (14 Tests)
                  6. Lachlan Swinton (3 Tests)
                  7. Michael Hooper (c) (110 Tests)
                  8. Rob Valetini (9 Tests)
                  9. Tate McDermott (7 Tests)
                  10. Noah Lolesio (7 Tests)
                  11. Marika Koroibete (38 Tests)
                  12. Samu Kerevi (33 Tests)
                  13. Len Ikitau (4 Tests)
                  14. Andrew Kellaway (4 Tests)
                  15. Tom Banks (16 Tests)
                  
                  Replacements
                  16. Lachlan Lonergan (2 Tests)
                  17. Angus Bell (7 Tests)
                  18. Taniela Tupou (30 Tests)
                  19. Izack Rodda (25 Tests)
                  20. Pete Samu (10 Tests)
                  21. Nic White (37 Tests)
                  22. Reece Hodge (48 Tests)
                  23. Jordan Petaia (9 Tests)
                  

                  https://www.rugby.com.au/news/wallabies-team-to-face-all-blacks-bledisloe-3-kerevi-202193

                  I wouldn’t pick one Aussie in a combined….

                  That midfield could be a handful with decent ball.
                  Banks is a liability. The young kid at 1st 5 needs to be persisted with. Their loose forwards have been inconsistent at best. Swain is an up and coming talent but is green and they don’t have an experienced lock that can take him under their wing. The other options are still trying to nail down spots.

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                  @act-crusader said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

                  @akan004 said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

                  WALLABIES SIDE TO FACE ALL BLACKS IN BLEDISLOE III
                  
                  1. James Slipper (105 Tests)
                  2. Folau Fainga’a (16 Tests)
                  3. Allan Alaalatoa (48 Tests)
                  4. Darcy Swain (5 Tests)
                  5. Matt Philip (14 Tests)
                  6. Lachlan Swinton (3 Tests)
                  7. Michael Hooper (c) (110 Tests)
                  8. Rob Valetini (9 Tests)
                  9. Tate McDermott (7 Tests)
                  10. Noah Lolesio (7 Tests)
                  11. Marika Koroibete (38 Tests)
                  12. Samu Kerevi (33 Tests)
                  13. Len Ikitau (4 Tests)
                  14. Andrew Kellaway (4 Tests)
                  15. Tom Banks (16 Tests)
                  
                  Replacements
                  16. Lachlan Lonergan (2 Tests)
                  17. Angus Bell (7 Tests)
                  18. Taniela Tupou (30 Tests)
                  19. Izack Rodda (25 Tests)
                  20. Pete Samu (10 Tests)
                  21. Nic White (37 Tests)
                  22. Reece Hodge (48 Tests)
                  23. Jordan Petaia (9 Tests)
                  

                  https://www.rugby.com.au/news/wallabies-team-to-face-all-blacks-bledisloe-3-kerevi-202193

                  I wouldn’t pick one Aussie in a combined….

                  That midfield could be a handful with decent ball.
                  Banks is a liability. The young kid at 1st 5 needs to be persisted with. Their loose forwards have been inconsistent at best. Swain is an up and coming talent but is green and they don’t have an experienced lock that can take him under their wing. The other options are still trying to nail down spots.

                  Is that because you rate him, or because you think there is nobody else?

                  Because I think he's actually a bit crap. I haven't seem anything from him that makes me think he can dominate a game at test level.

                  He'll probably go on to be Australia's best 1st 5 ever now

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                    @act-crusader said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

                    @akan004 said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

                    WALLABIES SIDE TO FACE ALL BLACKS IN BLEDISLOE III
                    
                    1. James Slipper (105 Tests)
                    2. Folau Fainga’a (16 Tests)
                    3. Allan Alaalatoa (48 Tests)
                    4. Darcy Swain (5 Tests)
                    5. Matt Philip (14 Tests)
                    6. Lachlan Swinton (3 Tests)
                    7. Michael Hooper (c) (110 Tests)
                    8. Rob Valetini (9 Tests)
                    9. Tate McDermott (7 Tests)
                    10. Noah Lolesio (7 Tests)
                    11. Marika Koroibete (38 Tests)
                    12. Samu Kerevi (33 Tests)
                    13. Len Ikitau (4 Tests)
                    14. Andrew Kellaway (4 Tests)
                    15. Tom Banks (16 Tests)
                    
                    Replacements
                    16. Lachlan Lonergan (2 Tests)
                    17. Angus Bell (7 Tests)
                    18. Taniela Tupou (30 Tests)
                    19. Izack Rodda (25 Tests)
                    20. Pete Samu (10 Tests)
                    21. Nic White (37 Tests)
                    22. Reece Hodge (48 Tests)
                    23. Jordan Petaia (9 Tests)
                    

                    https://www.rugby.com.au/news/wallabies-team-to-face-all-blacks-bledisloe-3-kerevi-202193

                    I wouldn’t pick one Aussie in a combined….

                    That midfield could be a handful with decent ball.
                    Banks is a liability. The young kid at 1st 5 needs to be persisted with. Their loose forwards have been inconsistent at best. Swain is an up and coming talent but is green and they don’t have an experienced lock that can take him under their wing. The other options are still trying to nail down spots.

                    Is that because you rate him, or because you think there is nobody else?

                    Because I think he's actually a bit crap. I haven't seem anything from him that makes me think he can dominate a game at test level.

                    He'll probably go on to be Australia's best 1st 5 ever now

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                    @voodoo He wouldn't be starting if James was fit. We thin the cupboard is bare in NZ, it's worse in Oz which is why he's been handed the opportunities he has.

                    He's certainly improved from his disastrous first outing where he looked all the world to be a rabbit in the spotlight.

                    Joe Powell got a heap of caps...

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                      @voodoo He wouldn't be starting if James was fit. We thin the cupboard is bare in NZ, it's worse in Oz which is why he's been handed the opportunities he has.

                      He's certainly improved from his disastrous first outing where he looked all the world to be a rabbit in the spotlight.

                      Joe Powell got a heap of caps...

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                      @antipodean I'm just not really sure what he does well? Kicking is average from hand and tee. Doesn't take the line on. Not very direct. Lots of floaty passes. What's his skillset that sets him apart?

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                      • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                        @kev said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

                        Comparing the Crusaders and Blues backlines over the years, generally they have not had the explosive talent but have always got the results.

                        At Super Rugby level - absolutely.

                        At test level - the Crusaders are hardly a factory of gun AB wingers......

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                        @kiwimurph said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

                        @kev said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

                        Comparing the Crusaders and Blues backlines over the years, generally they have not had the explosive talent but have always got the results.

                        At Super Rugby level - absolutely.

                        At test level - the Crusaders are hardly a factory of gun AB wingers......

                        Again that depends what you think is a gun. They have 3 in the current squad. Not too bad.

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                          @antipodean I'm just not really sure what he does well? Kicking is average from hand and tee. Doesn't take the line on. Not very direct. Lots of floaty passes. What's his skillset that sets him apart?

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                          @voodoo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

                          @antipodean I'm just not really sure what he does well? Kicking is average from hand and tee. Doesn't take the line on. Not very direct. Lots of floaty passes. What's his skillset that sets him apart?

                          More because he’s young and if your 1st choice is not available it’s the perfect time to build experience. He showed in Super rugby and even the French series that he has a running game, but he’s on a steep learning curve against the ABs where the space is rarely there.

                          There’s not many other options out there hence the Quade [fake news] talk.

                          He’s not the only one on the side throwing floaty passes either - looking at Toomua there.

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                          • M Machpants

                            Aside from Bridge, I'm happy with that

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                            @machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

                            Aside from Bridge, I'm happy with that

                            Oh I didn't know Bridge didn't like that team, but anyway, well done, Bridgie! 3rd best winger in NZ! Or Foster's love child. Or both, perhaps.

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                              @nepia said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

                              Oh FFS, I was all set to fire up about (2 out) of 3 Barrett brothers and Reece on the wing. Now I have one less thing to be grumpy about.

                              No Jacobsen is a surprise, unless I missed his injury status?

                              I don't think he covers all backrow positions as well as Ethan. Nor have I seen him casually hit a dropkick.

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                              @antipodean said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

                              Nor have I seen him casually hit a dropkick.

                              Hang on, we've got enough AB loose forwards up on assault charges!

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                                @kiwimurph said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

                                @kev said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

                                Comparing the Crusaders and Blues backlines over the years, generally they have not had the explosive talent but have always got the results.

                                At Super Rugby level - absolutely.

                                At test level - the Crusaders are hardly a factory of gun AB wingers......

                                Again that depends what you think is a gun. They have 3 in the current squad. Not too bad.

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                                @kev said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

                                @kiwimurph said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

                                @kev said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

                                Comparing the Crusaders and Blues backlines over the years, generally they have not had the explosive talent but have always got the results.

                                At Super Rugby level - absolutely.

                                At test level - the Crusaders are hardly a factory of gun AB wingers......

                                Again that depends what you think is a gun. They have 3 in the current squad. Not too bad.

                                You said over the years. Caleb Ralph, Scott Hamilton.....

                                Rico Gear? - but i'm not sure shifting south because you've got Howlett, Rok, Caucau and Mils ahead of you really counts.

                                Not that Blues haven't had their share of average AB outside backs - Wulf, Halai and Atiga come to mind.

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                                  @kev said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

                                  @kiwimurph said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

                                  @kev said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

                                  Comparing the Crusaders and Blues backlines over the years, generally they have not had the explosive talent but have always got the results.

                                  At Super Rugby level - absolutely.

                                  At test level - the Crusaders are hardly a factory of gun AB wingers......

                                  Again that depends what you think is a gun. They have 3 in the current squad. Not too bad.

                                  You said over the years. Caleb Ralph, Scott Hamilton.....

                                  Rico Gear? - but i'm not sure shifting south because you've got Howlett, Rok, Caucau and Mils ahead of you really counts.

                                  Not that Blues haven't had their share of average AB outside backs - Wulf, Halai and Atiga come to mind.

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                                  @kiwimurph Rico Gear is a good Gisborne lad! Hurricanes country. Was he connected with the Blues?

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                                    There is s disturbing lack of opprobrium for Foster's directorial ability. I've read some people liking the team ...

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                                      There is s disturbing lack of opprobrium for Foster's directorial ability. I've read some people liking the team ...

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                                      @booboo it is s a nefarious plot to shut the Fern down through apathy over nothing to rant about.

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                                        @kiwimurph Rico Gear is a good Gisborne lad! Hurricanes country. Was he connected with the Blues?

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                                        @old-samurai-jack said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

                                        @kiwimurph Rico Gear is a good Gisborne lad! Hurricanes country. Was he connected with the Blues?

                                        Crucial part of the 2003 side.

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                                          @old-samurai-jack said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

                                          @kiwimurph Rico Gear is a good Gisborne lad! Hurricanes country. Was he connected with the Blues?

                                          Crucial part of the 2003 side.

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                                          @gt12 Dirty poaching bastards! Typical!

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