Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth)
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@nostrildamus said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@booboo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
This game will tells us a few things,
BB is he still want we remember hopefully he is.
Weber is he really an AB HB
JB is he our best FB option.
How important is Whitelock as a lock and a leader.If the First 3 are no then we badly need Smith,Mounga and we will need Whitelock back for SA.
I disagree, it is just one test, a massively changed side. It's not like the side with Smith, Mo'unga and Whitelock looked that great vs Fiji or a fair bit of Bled 1. This game, combined with the 2 argentina games, might answer some of those questions. That's when we might have a good idea, one test is never enough of a sample
Yes and no it will give us some idea,I think we all know rugby enough to see through the one test scenario.
Since when? One bad test is usually enough to write off a player.
There was that most recent RWC game against England .. and most of those players are still with us. Plus I think JB has had a few howlers early on...
Yeah, the ABs have seemed to operate a "credit-in-the-bank" kind of system for ages, or JB would have been axed quite a few times. Players who don't show what the coaches are looking for seem to get eased out ... like Josh Ioane, Sotuto I suspect (with work-ons). AB squad selection has always looked okay to me, maybe if anything a bit slow to drop a few.
It's not exactly like Eddie Jones who pulled a young lock in his first game before half-time ... never to play for England again? A few similar examples with Eddie.
The core issues since maybe 2017 and Shag have more been a lack of selection consistency (combinations cannot develop) and too much flexibility trying to cram all the Skillz(TM) into one side (playing people out of position). Really these seem more coaching/strategy issues.
Team for this game looks good and selection approach pretty coherent ... again :astonished_face:
@landp who was that lock out of interest? That’s so Eddie
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@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Benson Stanley, Jarrod Hoeata, Afeaki (half a game), Saili, Halai, Bird, Tom Taylor, Pulu, Moala, Ngatai, Broadhurst, Tamanivalu, Parsons, Duffie, Hemopo, TTT, Proctor, Evans, J Ioane, PUJ, Cameron....all for various reasons very short career ABs. A few definite discards (Saili, Halai, Broadhurst, Hemopo, Proctor, Evans come to mind)
We may even see some recent ones discarded as a core squad is settled pre-RWC. Maybe Grace, Christie, Sotutu, Ennor, Aumua...?
Bryne Evans, not Nick Evans right? I have zero memory of him, had to google him tbh.
@landp said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Benson Stanley, Jarrod Hoeata, Afeaki (half a game), Saili, Halai, Bird, Tom Taylor, Pulu, Moala, Ngatai, Broadhurst, Tamanivalu, Parsons, Duffie, Hemopo, TTT, Proctor, Evans, J Ioane, PUJ, Cameron....all for various reasons very short career ABs. A few definite discards (Saili, Halai, Broadhurst, Hemopo, Proctor, Evans come to mind)
We may even see some recent ones discarded as a core squad is settled pre-RWC. Maybe Grace, Christie, Sotutu, Ennor, Aumua...?
Bryne Evans, not Nick Evans right? I have zero memory of him, had to google him tbh.
Gareth. All 25 minutes of him.
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@mikethesnow but they present a different challenge to Aus, plus, beat us last year...
@Crucial Broadhurst had to retire due to concussion didn't he? Don't think he was discarded
@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@mikethesnow but they present a different challenge to Aus, plus, beat us last year...
@Crucial Broadhurst had to retire due to concussion didn't he? Don't think he was discarded
Yeah, had forgotten. Thought there was a gap but yes, he got his head knock in the NPC straight after his AB debut.
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@toddy said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@nostrildamus Isaac Ross?
started against the Bokke, was our starting lock that season, left behind to bulk up at the end of season tour before the laws changed in the off season and speed was suddenly emphasised again.
Seemed to have an aversion to hitting rucks, too@nzzp Ross was an interesting one, I saw him up close at a game up here, front on looked like a huge unit with wide shoulders, but obviously wasnt a huge unit.
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@landp who was that lock out of interest? That’s so Eddie
@yeahtheboys said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@landp who was that lock out of interest? That’s so Eddie
I'll post a link when I remember/find the name. I googled "Eddie Jones drops" and got about 50 million hits :face_with_tears_of_joy: :face_with_tears_of_joy:
To be fair, he normally lets them finish the game or their 60 minutes before he drops them after their England debut ... probably goes like "Nah mate, you're not what I'm after, see ya"
"Unique" is the word that comes mind ... but he has a razor sharp rugby brain.
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Recent 1 match All Blacks - missing last year I think. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Zealand_national_rugby_union_players
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@mikethesnow but they present a different challenge to Aus, plus, beat us last year...
@Crucial Broadhurst had to retire due to concussion didn't he? Don't think he was discarded
@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@mikethesnow but they present a different challenge to Aus, plus, beat us last year...
@Crucial Broadhurst had to retire due to concussion didn't he? Don't think he was discarded
If they come within 10 pts this year then they’ll have done well/you’ve shit the bed.
They’re really not that good
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Hope there is not a second shock result this weekend. Hard to believe Canada's second stringers convincingly beat USA last night in the World Cup qualifier. But it goes to show that anything can happen.
Not sure why Australia is being written off when AB's have so many first stringers out and they are playing a team with a huge home crowd advantage. It will be great merit if they win convincingly. -
Recent 1 match All Blacks - missing last year I think. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Zealand_national_rugby_union_players
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@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@mikethesnow but they present a different challenge to Aus, plus, beat us last year...
@Crucial Broadhurst had to retire due to concussion didn't he? Don't think he was discarded
If they come within 10 pts this year then they’ll have done well/you’ve shit the bed.
They’re really not that good
@mikethesnow oh I agree, but I'm wary of them after last year and our indifferent form
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@landp who was that lock out of interest? That’s so Eddie
@yeahtheboys said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@landp who was that lock out of interest? That’s so Eddie
Nick Isiekwe
I found this reference in a newspaper ...
"He made his third appearance for his country against South Africa but was hauled off before half-time in Johannesburg due to a tactical switch and has not featured for his country since."
I was wrong in that it was his first starting appearance (2018), he had handful of minutes off the bench in his prior two caps. Never played for England again after that "tactical switch" :winking_face:
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Hope there is not a second shock result this weekend. Hard to believe Canada's second stringers convincingly beat USA last night in the World Cup qualifier. But it goes to show that anything can happen.
Not sure why Australia is being written off when AB's have so many first stringers out and they are playing a team with a huge home crowd advantage. It will be great merit if they win convincingly.@arhs said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Hope there is not a second shock result this weekend. Hard to believe Canada's second stringers convincingly beat USA last night in the World Cup qualifier. But it goes to show that anything can happen.
Not sure why Australia is being written off when AB's have so many first stringers out and they are playing a team with a huge home crowd advantage. It will be great merit if they win convincingly.There should be a few Kiwis in the crowd,Good base of us over there,Plus a lot of South Africans big contingent of them in Perth.And the Saffas seem to go to all the Rugby in WA.
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Recent 1 match All Blacks - missing last year I think. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Zealand_national_rugby_union_players
@chimoaus said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Recent 1 match All Blacks - missing last year I think. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Zealand_national_rugby_union_players
George of the Whitelocks! Forgot all about him.
A couple of class players there that could have had good careers if the circumstances worked.
Ngatai obviously. O'Halloran was a very good player kept at bay by much better ones. Hungus Masaga was a better player than Reece IMO -
@chimoaus said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Recent 1 match All Blacks - missing last year I think. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Zealand_national_rugby_union_players
George of the Whitelocks! Forgot all about him.
A couple of class players there that could have had good careers if the circumstances worked.
Ngatai obviously. O'Halloran was a very good player kept at bay by much better ones. Hungus Masaga was a better player than Reece IMO@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Hungus Masaga was a better player than Reece
nah, I dont buy that.
Reece might be a douche, but seems to have a very good grasp on the game and reads things pretty well, along with being pretty good with ball in hand, probably a bit stronger than Masaga, less hungus too, similar defenders but I think Reece is better at breakdowns than Masaga ever was as well.
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@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Hungus Masaga was a better player than Reece
nah, I dont buy that.
Reece might be a douche, but seems to have a very good grasp on the game and reads things pretty well, along with being pretty good with ball in hand, probably a bit stronger than Masaga, less hungus too, similar defenders but I think Reece is better at breakdowns than Masaga ever was as well.
@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Hungus Masaga was a better player than Reece
nah, I dont buy that.
Reece might be a douche, but seems to have a very good grasp on the game and reads things pretty well, along with being pretty good with ball in hand, probably a bit stronger than Masaga too, similar defenders but I think Reece is better at breakdowns than Masaga ever was.
Masaga had that ability to sniff out tries (a bit like Jordan). He was the polar opposite to Bridge.
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@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Hungus Masaga was a better player than Reece
nah, I dont buy that.
Reece might be a douche, but seems to have a very good grasp on the game and reads things pretty well, along with being pretty good with ball in hand, probably a bit stronger than Masaga, less hungus too, similar defenders but I think Reece is better at breakdowns than Masaga ever was as well.
@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Hungus Masaga was a better player than Reece
nah, I dont buy that.
Reece might be a douche, but seems to have a very good grasp on the game and reads things pretty well, along with being pretty good with ball in hand, probably a bit stronger than Masaga, less hungus too, similar defenders but I think Reece is better at breakdowns than Masaga ever was as well.
It's an absolutely absurd take. Defence is 50% of the game. Masaga had Roger Randle level tackling avoidance skills.
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@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Hungus Masaga was a better player than Reece
nah, I dont buy that.
Reece might be a douche, but seems to have a very good grasp on the game and reads things pretty well, along with being pretty good with ball in hand, probably a bit stronger than Masaga, less hungus too, similar defenders but I think Reece is better at breakdowns than Masaga ever was as well.
It's an absolutely absurd take. Defence is 50% of the game. Masaga had Roger Randle level tackling avoidance skills.
@frye said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Hungus Masaga was a better player than Reece
nah, I dont buy that.
Reece might be a douche, but seems to have a very good grasp on the game and reads things pretty well, along with being pretty good with ball in hand, probably a bit stronger than Masaga, less hungus too, similar defenders but I think Reece is better at breakdowns than Masaga ever was as well.
It's an absolutely absurd take. Defence is 50% of the game. Masaga had Roger Randle level tackling avoidance skills.
This would work much better if Reece wasn't the other player in the discussion.
