Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth)

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@dan54 said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@dan54 said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@antipodean said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@nostrildamus said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

What was the general feeling on BB and DMac?

Beaudy did some lovely things and will be better for the run. Given the general kicking display I'm loathe to rip into him about that - it looked like everyone had some issues there for some reason.

DMac did nothing bad and nothing great.

Have they swapped to adidas balls, same thing happened in TT , noone kicked any good in Aus.

Opposite, NZ use Adidas balls, this game (and everything outside NZ) use Gilbert

Yep, well I knew it was or other, just know the kickers were talking about it during TT. Apparently they fly differently or something. Hell it's like cricket balls to me , everyone talks about the brand of ball, but thay all just cricket balls to me! This is same.

i was surprised how different the balls were, we use gilbert at the club but one of the hookers brought down his adidas ball to practice throwing...its super light, noticeably different to even the match day gilbert

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@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@nzzp and yet if someones head was on the ground and you kicked it, same result....

Guess the kicker (boom) will be the length of rest he gets.

The review decision will be 'interesting' to put it mildly.

As far as I can see the head contact process doesn't directly cover this situation but if you followed it as if it was equivalent to a leading elbow...

Process questions and considerations

1. Has head contact occurred? YES
   Head contact includes neck and throat area

2. Was there foul play?
   Considerations:
   Intentional NO
   Reckless MAYBE
   Avoidable N/A

3. What was the degree of danger?
   Considerations include:
   Direct vs indirect contact
   High force vs low force MEDIUM?

4. Is there any mitigation?
   Considerations include:
   Line of sight NONE (Was looking skyward while well above the other player)
   Sudden and significant drop or movement N/A
   Clear attempt to change height N/A
   Level of control DEBATABLE
   Upright - passive vs dynamic

The ref's view seemed to be equating the situation with an elbow lead and because JB pushed out with his foot/leg and made head contact it was deemed 'deliberate'. Where this situation doesn't equate is in two major areas IMO. One is whether JB could see what was in front of him (maybe his peripheral vision should have made him aware that there was an oncoming player) and the other is whether he was in control of his action (defence will argue that he is a gangly unco giraffe and was sticking his leg forward to gain balance in the air.
Defence will also argue that he should have no expectation of a defender coming into his landing area while he was still in the air and there was no contest happening.

I would think that the judiciary would be reluctant to sully a player's career by calling this deliberate so will revert to reckless and avoidable. There is plenty of wriggle room available to them here as the situation happened after the ball was contestable.

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@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@bovidae said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@bovidae said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

Coles (when fit) will be the hooker joining the squad.

After 2 weeks quarantine

I certainly wasn't implying he would be available immediately, just that they can't just bring over a new player to join the squad unless a MIQ spot in NZ is found for when they return. Foster might need to find a Kiwi hooker in Aust in an emergency.

I think in an emergency Coles stays in NZ, and hooker #5 joins ABs. Unless the theoretical kiwi hooker in Oz is in QLD or WA, they still have 2 weeks quarantine. That's the real challenge of this tour, juggling injury replacements.

Am available

[taniwharugby]

@crucial I wonder what would have happened in that scenario knocking himself out on the jumping players knee that was raised for the jump...because if you follow that process

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@booboo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@bovidae said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@bovidae said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

Coles (when fit) will be the hooker joining the squad.

After 2 weeks quarantine

I certainly wasn't implying he would be available immediately, just that they can't just bring over a new player to join the squad unless a MIQ spot in NZ is found for when they return. Foster might need to find a Kiwi hooker in Aust in an emergency.

I think in an emergency Coles stays in NZ, and hooker #5 joins ABs. Unless the theoretical kiwi hooker in Oz is in QLD or WA, they still have 2 weeks quarantine. That's the real challenge of this tour, juggling injury replacements.

Am available

damn it, if i hadn't done my knee i might have had a shot!

[antipodean]

Rico Yowani played well.

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@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@crucial I wonder what would have happened in that scenario knocking himself out on the jumping players knee that was raised for the jump...because if you follow that process

That one is down to timing I reckon. If both players are still looking to legally compete and one jumps a split second earlier takes the space and knees the other in the head then that is dangerous play. The jumper knows full well he is jumping into another player and needs to be careful. The unusual thing here was the defender running into the 'zone' after it was clear there was no contest. He was only ever going to take the landing space or make an illegal tackle. He shouldn't have been there.
It is kind of like hitting a kid with your car on a road. The kid shouldn't be there but how much of the fault is yours as you have the onus to take care?

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@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@crucial I wonder what would have happened in that scenario knocking himself out on the jumping players knee that was raised for the jump...because if you follow that process

That one is down to timing I reckon. If both players are still looking to legally compete and one jumps a split second earlier takes the space and knees the other in the head then that is dangerous play. The jumper knows full well he is jumping into another player and needs to be careful. The unusual thing here was the defender running into the 'zone' after it was clear there was no contest. He was only ever going to take the landing space or make an illegal tackle. He shouldn't have been there.
It is kind of like hitting a kid with your car on a road. The kid shouldn't be there but how much of the fault is yours as you have the onus to take care?

It’s very hard to jump without raising the knee. That is fine as technique for me. Accidental contact and in that case the winger would be interfering with jumper. But stretching your leg out front with sprigs is just dangerous. As soon as you do that it’s your fault. The winger can come close as he either competes or doesn’t interfere with jumper. Issue with JB was all about technique.

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@akan004 said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

https://twitter.com/SENZMornings/status/1434629179861995524

Fox is hinting at Akira getting a rest next week or the week after due to his heavy workload. Not a bad call, need him to be at his best against SA..

Got to have someone in the squad to cover ...

Who are the looses in the squad?

Paps
Ardie
Akira
Jacobsen
Blackadder

Am I missing anyone?

Need 4 of 5 of them fit.

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@bovidae said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

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Ah. Good.

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@booboo Scott Barrett…

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@voodoo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@gunner said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@voodoo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@bones said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@tim said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

Akira Ioane's big work ons:

Jackling. He's a big guy, but that's not an excuse. Gets the odd turnover for the Blues but gives away ruck penalties too. May lack confidence as well as skills there.

Link play. Not a traditional big six strength, but could up fitness and improve decision making to get involved more in support. First half of 2019 Super Rugby his link play was excellent, maybe lacks confidence or decision making of when to switch lines.

Decision making of when to stay on his lines and when to hit the ruck or link off his line. Does this very well late in the game, but could increase involvement in first 50 minutes by being able to pick when to get involved. That kind of decision making could be the difference between a very good player and a great player.

I thought after watching today his only work on for me is a huge nit pick, but I would've preferred to see him take those tries himself - extra pass makes room for a mistake and getting those tries himself maybe has an effect on the oppo"s head space too? Best game in black for me, although admittedly against a fairly ordinary Oz.

I agree with this, almost like he was showboating that the gams is too easy for him, look at how unselfish I am etc. Just run over that last defender!!

Poor old Akira can’t win can he.
Ah well, we can always go back to back Shannon Frizzell.

Whatchu talking bout Willis?

He was fucking awesome. Best player on the paddock. Like Bones said, a huge bit pick, but just cos he was awesome doesn't mean we can't discuss work ons!

I don’t see learning to be a hungus prick as a valid work on, probably more the other way around.

Akira a couple of years ago probably would have steamrolled the last defender, ignoring the unmarked man outside him, and we’d have been saying ‘Akira needs to learn to pass’

I’d like to know when putting your team mate over for a freebie try became a no-no?

To me a simple catch and pass is far less risky than tucking and going yourself and potentially loosing the ball in the tackle, being tackled short of the line or being tackled into touch.

[voodoo]

Fair enough, at least that's a valid debate rather than just saying we can't critique! On this particular subject, obviously every instance is different, there are times when making an extra pass is unnecessary and times when its the better option.

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i didn't think blowing over that last defender was a work on really....i just thought he deserved the meat pie, ive been saying for a while i wanted to see what he could do with a couple of game in a row and am stoked he seems to keep building

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@gunner it’s interesting that a number of posters on here have said “he could’ve scored two tries” not in a critical way. Just goes to show that people see the game and play differently.

To be fair to @voodoo he is a baller and if the lane is open and there’s only one guy in front you go and dunk it on his head

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@act-crusader said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@gunner it’s interesting that a number of posters on here have said “he could’ve scored two tries” not in a critical way. Just goes to show that people see the game and play differently.

To be fair to @voodoo he is a baller and if the lane is open and there’s only one guy in front you go and dunk it on his head

:grinning_squinting_face:

On another note, I haven't read much about DMacs 1-handed ball placement - guess it didn't matter in the end, but if Reiko had done it the Fern would have exploded!

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@kev said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):

@crucial I wonder what would have happened in that scenario knocking himself out on the jumping players knee that was raised for the jump...because if you follow that process

That one is down to timing I reckon. If both players are still looking to legally compete and one jumps a split second earlier takes the space and knees the other in the head then that is dangerous play. The jumper knows full well he is jumping into another player and needs to be careful. The unusual thing here was the defender running into the 'zone' after it was clear there was no contest. He was only ever going to take the landing space or make an illegal tackle. He shouldn't have been there.
It is kind of like hitting a kid with your car on a road. The kid shouldn't be there but how much of the fault is yours as you have the onus to take care?

It’s very hard to jump without raising the knee. That is fine as technique for me. Accidental contact and in that case the winger would be interfering with jumper. But stretching your leg out front with sprigs is just dangerous. As soon as you do that it’s your fault. The winger can come close as he either competes or doesn’t interfere with jumper. Issue with JB was all about technique.

If he had jumped with his foot out sprigs up then I agree. But as I see it he stuck his foot out after jumping and winning the space in a awkward instinctive way to get balance. Like how if you are walking across a log and start swinging your arms around.