All Blacks vs Pumas I
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@canes4life said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
I'd like to see this team start (assuming Jordie is okay to play)
- George Bower
- Codie Taylor / Asafo Aumua (if Taylor is out I feel Aumua needs a run and think he would be a better starter than Samisoni)
- Angus Taávao (rotating out with Laulaula)
- Brodie Rettalick
- Scott Barrett
- Akira Ioane
- Ardie Savea/Dalton Papalií
- Luke Jacobson
- TJ Perenara
- Beauden Barrett
- Reiko Ioane
- David Havili
- Anton Leinert-Brown
- Will Jordan / Sevu Reece
- Jordie Barrett / Will Jordan
- Asafo Aumua / Samisoni Taukei'aho
- Ethan De Groot (another one that is a little undercooked)
- Nepo Laulaula
- Tupou Vaai
- Ethan Blackadder
- Brad Weber
- Damian McKenzie
- Brayden Ennor (had very little minutes so keen to see what he has off the bench).
You've picked multiple players all over the place. Get off the fence...
@kirwan that's more to do with uncertainty of whether they will be playing or not due to injury/concussion/suspension. The first person listed is the one who I think should start.
Thought it was pretty obvious but have updated my post to make it clearer.
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@kirwan that's more to do with uncertainty of whether they will be playing or not due to injury/concussion/suspension. The first person listed is the one who I think should start.
Thought it was pretty obvious but have updated my post to make it clearer.
@canes4life said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
@kirwan that's more to do with uncertainty of whether they will be playing or not due to injury/concussion/suspension. The first person listed is the one who I think should start.
Thought it was pretty obvious but have updated my post to make it clearer.
It was, was just being a dick. Too many bugs at work.
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has to be a good sign
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if Akira needs a rest, surely Ardie needs one as well..
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So do you rest the players this game or the one before the Boks, clearly, they all need a rest before so it will be interesting to see how they rotate the players. I think Foxy said in that above audio clip that they don't intend on making wholesale changes.
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So do you rest the players this game or the one before the Boks, clearly, they all need a rest before so it will be interesting to see how they rotate the players. I think Foxy said in that above audio clip that they don't intend on making wholesale changes.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
So do you rest the players this game or the one before the Boks, clearly, they all need a rest before so it will be interesting to see how they rotate the players. I think Foxy said in that above audio clip that they don't intend on making wholesale changes.
Rotate in both, so you rest some here and some in the second. Gotta keep the momentum, and after Fosters fuck ups last year, they can't take Arg for granted.
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Yep. I would bring 5 or 6 of those not used into the 23 each Puma game. Keep the competition going for places and try and develop combinations. Then best 23 for each match v Springboks.
Think maybe Papalii and Havili have earned a break to recharge next time. Want to have everyone firing for the Boks. -
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
We will have to make a few changes because of injuries to Ardie and Codie, possibly a suspension for Jordie Barrett too. That's quite a few enforced changes already. I'd be tempted to make minimal other changes and give combinations a chance to glue together a bit more.
I tend to agree. Coaching staff best placed to assess who might do with week to refresh before sharpener in Puma 2 prior to facing the Boks.
Other than that. Stick with best available team.
Plenty of chances for game time in EOYT.
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
So do you rest the players this game or the one before the Boks, clearly, they all need a rest before so it will be interesting to see how they rotate the players. I think Foxy said in that above audio clip that they don't intend on making wholesale changes.
Rotate in both, so you rest some here and some in the second. Gotta keep the momentum, and after Fosters fuck ups last year, they can't take Arg for granted.
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
So do you rest the players this game or the one before the Boks, clearly, they all need a rest before so it will be interesting to see how they rotate the players. I think Foxy said in that above audio clip that they don't intend on making wholesale changes.
Rotate in both, so you rest some here and some in the second. Gotta keep the momentum, and after Fosters fuck ups last year, they can't take Arg for granted.
Have you watched them recently?
They just about put away a 3rd string Wales team.
If it's not at least a 20 point margin then NZ should be worried.
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
So do you rest the players this game or the one before the Boks, clearly, they all need a rest before so it will be interesting to see how they rotate the players. I think Foxy said in that above audio clip that they don't intend on making wholesale changes.
Rotate in both, so you rest some here and some in the second. Gotta keep the momentum, and after Fosters fuck ups last year, they can't take Arg for granted.
Have you watched them recently?
They just about put away a 3rd string Wales team.
If it's not at least a 20 point margin then NZ should be worried.
@mikethesnow said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
So do you rest the players this game or the one before the Boks, clearly, they all need a rest before so it will be interesting to see how they rotate the players. I think Foxy said in that above audio clip that they don't intend on making wholesale changes.
Rotate in both, so you rest some here and some in the second. Gotta keep the momentum, and after Fosters fuck ups last year, they can't take Arg for granted.
Have you watched them recently?
They just about put away a 3rd string Wales team.
If it's not at least a 20 point margin then NZ should be worried.
Yes I have. I've also seen them get up after no games, covid cases, and a long time in lock down/quarantine to smash the ABs. Teams step up Vs ABs, and is pretty much the same squad. On paper ABs should smash them, but the same was said last year
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@mikethesnow said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
So do you rest the players this game or the one before the Boks, clearly, they all need a rest before so it will be interesting to see how they rotate the players. I think Foxy said in that above audio clip that they don't intend on making wholesale changes.
Rotate in both, so you rest some here and some in the second. Gotta keep the momentum, and after Fosters fuck ups last year, they can't take Arg for granted.
Have you watched them recently?
They just about put away a 3rd string Wales team.
If it's not at least a 20 point margin then NZ should be worried.
Yes I have. I've also seen them get up after no games, covid cases, and a long time in lock down/quarantine to smash the ABs. Teams step up Vs ABs, and is pretty much the same squad. On paper ABs should smash them, but the same was said last year
@machpants well we shouldnt be ambushed like we were last year, we know they always hit the ground running against us, but we typically finish faster, so we need to start better against them.and sort our discipline out.
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@machpants well we shouldnt be ambushed like we were last year, we know they always hit the ground running against us, but we typically finish faster, so we need to start better against them.and sort our discipline out.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
@machpants well we shouldnt be ambushed like we were last year, we know they always hit the ground running against us, but we typically finish faster, so we need to start better against them.and sort our discipline out.
Agree, we shouldn't, doesn't mean we won't! I'm a long way off trusting post 2016 coaching team. I still haven't seen any real innovation or improvement in our week points. Ruck defence (still awful), physicality (beaten there by Argentina last year and Fiji this- can't judge on Tonga and Oz), defensive structure (poor this last game, scramble was excellent, but that's about players not coaches), etc
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
@machpants well we shouldnt be ambushed like we were last year, we know they always hit the ground running against us, but we typically finish faster, so we need to start better against them.and sort our discipline out.
Agree, we shouldn't, doesn't mean we won't! I'm a long way off trusting post 2016 coaching team. I still haven't seen any real innovation or improvement in our week points. Ruck defence (still awful), physicality (beaten there by Argentina last year and Fiji this- can't judge on Tonga and Oz), defensive structure (poor this last game, scramble was excellent, but that's about players not coaches), etc
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
physicality (beaten there by Argentina last year and Fiji this
In the first tests on both occasions but not beaten on physicality in the second tests (Argie 2 and Fiji 2)
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
physicality (beaten there by Argentina last year and Fiji this
In the first tests on both occasions but not beaten on physicality in the second tests (Argie 2 and Fiji 2)
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
physicality (beaten there by Argentina last year and Fiji this
In the first tests on both occasions but not beaten on physicality in the second tests (Argie 2 and Fiji 2)
Yup, it's our first test against Argentina coming up. But imo, we shouldn't have lost the first ones physically either
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
physicality (beaten there by Argentina last year and Fiji this
In the first tests on both occasions but not beaten on physicality in the second tests (Argie 2 and Fiji 2)
Yup, it's our first test against Argentina coming up. But imo, we shouldn't have lost the first ones physically either
@machpants in Foster we ... um .. reach for the donuts?
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@machpants in Foster we ... um .. reach for the donuts?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
@machpants in Foster we ... um .. reach for the donuts?
Hah haaaaa! Foster is fat though! Classic.
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@Machpants @KiwiMurph is “playing physical up front” code for throwing your body into the ruck off your feet, from the side, killing the ball and not getting penalised? Because that’s what I saw from Argentina and Fiji.
No matter how “physical” a side may or may not be, there’s not much a team can do about that cynical stuff.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
@machpants in Foster we ... um .. reach for the donuts?
Hah haaaaa! Foster is fat though! Classic.
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):
@machpants in Foster we ... um .. reach for the donuts?
Hah haaaaa! Foster is fat though! Classic.
I appreciate your candid lack of sarcasm and appreciation for my classy subtlety..
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I think this clip give a good indication of who we're going to see in the line-up for the Pumas game: Aumua, de Groot, Laulala, Lomax, Vaa'i, Blackadder, Jacobson, TJP, Christie, Jordan & Reece very likely to be in the 23.
