Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth)
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@stargazer Owens on the red card - at 2:30 mins -
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Well we haven't woken to any news about JB so either the defence is really digging in strong or the panel is struggling to justify what they want.
As said in an earlier post the system of pleading guilty even when you aren't to limit damage has created precedents in this regard when they should have been argued out properly.
You can't be acting recklessly if you are acting deliberately e.g. sticking your foot out to deter would be tacklers is reckless while an instinctive leg out to correct balance isn't.
Hopefully this leads to a clarification to the application of the law. If you allow jumping you have to allow safe landing and that means the onus is on others to keep out of the way. Simple. -
Jordie will get 3 weeks.
Law 9.11 Players must not do anything that is reckless or dangerous to others.
Low-end: 2 weeks
Mid-range: 6 weeks
Top-end: 10+ weeks
Max: 52 weeksIt's a mid range offence because it's contact with the head. He will get maximum discount of 50% leaving a sanction of 3 weeks.
Mark my words. They barely even need to have the hearing.
@damo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Mark my words. They barely even need to have the hearing.
Koroibete's red resulted in no suspension and now the same story for Jordie.
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@damo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Mark my words. They barely even need to have the hearing.
Koroibete's red resulted in no suspension and now the same story for Jordie.
@kiwimurph said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@damo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Mark my words. They barely even need to have the hearing.
Koroibete's red resulted in no suspension and now the same story for Jordie.
Trigger happy refs. The RC should be in a locked box on the sideline so they can cool down on the walk over and have a long think about getting it out.
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Jordie didn't lead with his foot, he kicked it out instinctively at the last second trying to avoid landing on his back.
@no-quarter said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Jordie didn't lead with his foot, he kicked it out instinctively at the last second trying to avoid landing on his back.
I remember When Billy slater was on the same charge ,
Then someone with too much time on his hands made a video of him doing exactly the same thing with nobody anywhere near him ,
dangerous and deliberate are two different things
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@no-quarter said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Jordie didn't lead with his foot, he kicked it out instinctively at the last second trying to avoid landing on his back.
I remember When Billy slater was on the same charge ,
Then someone with too much time on his hands made a video of him doing exactly the same thing with nobody anywhere near him ,
dangerous and deliberate are two different things
@kiwiinmelb Yeah there must be plenty of footage of JB doing the same thing previously, they probably just needed a montage of him doing that to show its instinctive and not reckless. He is a Giraffe after all.
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That Ferald article still seems to be the only news. Must have had some inside sauce overnight and everyone else is waiting on Perth to wake up.
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@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
That Ferald article still seems to be the only news. Must have had some inside sauce overnight and everyone else is waiting on Perth to wake up.
Yeah, it’s not official just ‘sources’
@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
That Ferald article still seems to be the only news. Must have had some inside sauce overnight and everyone else is waiting on Perth to wake up.
Yeah, it’s not official just ‘sources’
Sauces.
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@no-quarter said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Jordie didn't lead with his foot, he kicked it out instinctively at the last second trying to avoid landing on his back.
I remember When Billy slater was on the same charge ,
Then someone with too much time on his hands made a video of him doing exactly the same thing with nobody anywhere near him ,
dangerous and deliberate are two different things
@kiwiinmelb said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@no-quarter said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Jordie didn't lead with his foot, he kicked it out instinctively at the last second trying to avoid landing on his back.
I remember When Billy slater was on the same charge ,
Then someone with too much time on his hands made a video of him doing exactly the same thing with nobody anywhere near him ,
dangerous and deliberate are two different things
Slater was a grub though so not surprised people thought the worse. He was the king of sliding feet first into players diving to score tries.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@no-quarter said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Jordie didn't lead with his foot, he kicked it out instinctively at the last second trying to avoid landing on his back.
I remember When Billy slater was on the same charge ,
Then someone with too much time on his hands made a video of him doing exactly the same thing with nobody anywhere near him ,
dangerous and deliberate are two different things
Slater was a grub though so not surprised people thought the worse. He was the king of sliding feet first into players diving to score tries.
@no-quarter said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@kiwiinmelb said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@no-quarter said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Jordie didn't lead with his foot, he kicked it out instinctively at the last second trying to avoid landing on his back.
I remember When Billy slater was on the same charge ,
Then someone with too much time on his hands made a video of him doing exactly the same thing with nobody anywhere near him ,
dangerous and deliberate are two different things
Slater was a grub though so not surprised people thought the worse. He was the king of sliding feet first into players diving to score tries.
I hated him for that. Jordie on the other hand had a spotless record
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Well we haven't woken to any news about JB so either the defence is really digging in strong or the panel is struggling to justify what they want.
As said in an earlier post the system of pleading guilty even when you aren't to limit damage has created precedents in this regard when they should have been argued out properly.
You can't be acting recklessly if you are acting deliberately e.g. sticking your foot out to deter would be tacklers is reckless while an instinctive leg out to correct balance isn't.
Hopefully this leads to a clarification to the application of the law. If you allow jumping you have to allow safe landing and that means the onus is on others to keep out of the way. Simple.@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
You can't be acting recklessly if you are acting deliberately
and yet in the eyes of the law when in charge of a motor vehicle, if you are charged with reckless driving, it is deemed that your actions were deliberate or that you knew exactly what you were doing (Careless to Dangerous to Reckless) and you will very likely also end up with your insurer declining your claim if the charge was the result of an accident
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That Ferald article still seems to be the only news. Must have had some inside sauce overnight and everyone else is waiting on Perth to wake up.
@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
That Ferald article still seems to be the only news. Must have had some inside sauce overnight and everyone else is waiting on Perth to wake up.
I saw Andrew Mulligan tweet the outcome, early this morning, but he deleted the tweet, so I couldn't post it.
This is the stuff article.
A Sanzaar spokesman confirmed to Stuff a statement was due out from the judiciary around noon (NZT).
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@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
That Ferald article still seems to be the only news. Must have had some inside sauce overnight and everyone else is waiting on Perth to wake up.
I saw Andrew Mulligan tweet the outcome, early this morning, but he deleted the tweet, so I couldn't post it.
This is the stuff article.
A Sanzaar spokesman confirmed to Stuff a statement was due out from the judiciary around noon (NZT).
@stargazer said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
That Ferald article still seems to be the only news. Must have had some inside sauce overnight and everyone else is waiting on Perth to wake up.
I saw Andrew Mulligan tweet the outcome, early this morning, but he deleted the tweet, so I couldn't post it.
This is the stuff article.
A Sanzaar spokesman confirmed to Stuff a statement was due out from the judiciary around noon (NZT).
Awesome if true.
REALLY want to see the end of DMac at 15 for a while.
Completely unconcerned with justice.
(if it were DMac for the exact same offence I would support a ban for a few weeks) -
@stargazer said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
That Ferald article still seems to be the only news. Must have had some inside sauce overnight and everyone else is waiting on Perth to wake up.
I saw Andrew Mulligan tweet the outcome, early this morning, but he deleted the tweet, so I couldn't post it.
This is the stuff article.
A Sanzaar spokesman confirmed to Stuff a statement was due out from the judiciary around noon (NZT).
Awesome if true.
REALLY want to see the end of DMac at 15 for a while.
Completely unconcerned with justice.
(if it were DMac for the exact same offence I would support a ban for a few weeks)@frank said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@stargazer said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
That Ferald article still seems to be the only news. Must have had some inside sauce overnight and everyone else is waiting on Perth to wake up.
I saw Andrew Mulligan tweet the outcome, early this morning, but he deleted the tweet, so I couldn't post it.
This is the stuff article.
A Sanzaar spokesman confirmed to Stuff a statement was due out from the judiciary around noon (NZT).
Awesome if true.
REALLY want to see the end of DMac at 15 for a while.
Completely unconcerned with justice.
(if it were DMac for the exact same offence I would support a ban for a few weeks)Unbelievable - but this is the fern....
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There's some information here around the decision.
https://twitter.com/liamnapiernz/status/1435376518218141696/photo/1
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There's some information here around the decision.
https://twitter.com/liamnapiernz/status/1435376518218141696/photo/1
@kiwimurph so basically it shouldn't have been a red card? Who'd be a ref these days.
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@kiwimurph so basically it shouldn't have been a red card? Who'd be a ref these days.
@kirwan said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@kiwimurph so basically it shouldn't have been a red card? Who'd be a ref these days.
After them saying that intent doesn't matter, now it does? Fun job.
