Wallabies vs Springboks I
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The intercepts from Oz are a product of players developing in a shit competition against shit opposition where they get away with it. This idea from some that they need to develop on their own in their own comp can be shot down just by those examples alone IMO.
It's like layers that look a million bucks in NPC then ten bucks at Super because their skills are based around picking out and running past lesser skilled players -
The intercepts from Oz are a product of players developing in a shit competition against shit opposition where they get away with it. This idea from some that they need to develop on their own in their own comp can be shot down just by those examples alone IMO.
It's like layers that look a million bucks in NPC then ten bucks at Super because their skills are based around picking out and running past lesser skilled players@crucial said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
It's like layers that look a million bucks in NPC then ten bucks at Super because their skills are based around picking out and running past lesser skilled players
Absolutely, like schoolboy layers who were bigger, stronger and faster than everyone else suddenly coming up against defences that you can't do that to. You have to reset your game, and find new ways to win.
One of the reasons the Aussies dominated world cricket for so long was the intensity of competition underneath. Now that's not what it was, and I think you're seeing the results play out at the top level. I'm firmly of the opinion that the drop in quality of Super rugby was a strong contributor to our post-2015 malaise in the All Blacks
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@nzzp said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@crucial said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
It's like layers that look a million bucks in NPC then ten bucks at Super because their skills are based around picking out and running past lesser skilled players
Absolutely, like schoolboy layers who were bigger, stronger and faster than everyone else suddenly coming up against defences that you can't do that to. You have to reset your game, and find new ways to win.
One of the reasons the Aussies dominated world cricket for so long was the intensity of competition underneath. Now that's not what it was, and I think you're seeing the results play out at the top level. I'm firmly of the opinion that the drop in quality of Super rugby was a strong contributor to our post-2015 malaise in the All Blacks
We also had a talent drain after 2015 that saw us lose a number of GOATs that eroded the core of the team, leaving holes we weren't able to readily and effectively fill
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@nzzp said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@crucial said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
It's like layers that look a million bucks in NPC then ten bucks at Super because their skills are based around picking out and running past lesser skilled players
Absolutely, like schoolboy layers who were bigger, stronger and faster than everyone else suddenly coming up against defences that you can't do that to. You have to reset your game, and find new ways to win.
One of the reasons the Aussies dominated world cricket for so long was the intensity of competition underneath. Now that's not what it was, and I think you're seeing the results play out at the top level. I'm firmly of the opinion that the drop in quality of Super rugby was a strong contributor to our post-2015 malaise in the All Blacks
We also had a talent drain after 2015 that saw us lose a number of GOATs that eroded the core of the team, leaving holes we weren't able to readily and effectively fill
@canefan said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@nzzp said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@crucial said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
It's like layers that look a million bucks in NPC then ten bucks at Super because their skills are based around picking out and running past lesser skilled players
Absolutely, like schoolboy layers who were bigger, stronger and faster than everyone else suddenly coming up against defences that you can't do that to. You have to reset your game, and find new ways to win.
One of the reasons the Aussies dominated world cricket for so long was the intensity of competition underneath. Now that's not what it was, and I think you're seeing the results play out at the top level. I'm firmly of the opinion that the drop in quality of Super rugby was a strong contributor to our post-2015 malaise in the All Blacks
We also had a talent drain after 2015 that saw us lose a number of GOATs that eroded the core of the team, leaving holes we weren't able to readily and effectively fill
absolutely. Generational shift. But, I think the fringe players over the last 4 years have been worse than the fringe players previously
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@canefan said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@nzzp said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@crucial said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
It's like layers that look a million bucks in NPC then ten bucks at Super because their skills are based around picking out and running past lesser skilled players
Absolutely, like schoolboy layers who were bigger, stronger and faster than everyone else suddenly coming up against defences that you can't do that to. You have to reset your game, and find new ways to win.
One of the reasons the Aussies dominated world cricket for so long was the intensity of competition underneath. Now that's not what it was, and I think you're seeing the results play out at the top level. I'm firmly of the opinion that the drop in quality of Super rugby was a strong contributor to our post-2015 malaise in the All Blacks
We also had a talent drain after 2015 that saw us lose a number of GOATs that eroded the core of the team, leaving holes we weren't able to readily and effectively fill
absolutely. Generational shift. But, I think the fringe players over the last 4 years have been worse than the fringe players previously
@nzzp said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@nzzp said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@crucial said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
It's like layers that look a million bucks in NPC then ten bucks at Super because their skills are based around picking out and running past lesser skilled players
Absolutely, like schoolboy layers who were bigger, stronger and faster than everyone else suddenly coming up against defences that you can't do that to. You have to reset your game, and find new ways to win.
One of the reasons the Aussies dominated world cricket for so long was the intensity of competition underneath. Now that's not what it was, and I think you're seeing the results play out at the top level. I'm firmly of the opinion that the drop in quality of Super rugby was a strong contributor to our post-2015 malaise in the All Blacks
We also had a talent drain after 2015 that saw us lose a number of GOATs that eroded the core of the team, leaving holes we weren't able to readily and effectively fill
absolutely. Generational shift. But, I think the fringe players over the last 4 years have been worse than the fringe players previously
It's going to be interesting to see how this current batch turn out. We have a few players who could be really good
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@nta It's all about coaches. Rassie & Nienaber scout talent so much better then the others and made transformation top priority. The Springbokke results show improvement since Rassie took over.
Wallabies are the big favorites playing at home in front of their home crowds. Our lot haven't played in front of crowds since the 2019 WC.
Luckily we have Duane and Faf back. Cheslin probably out.
@oompb said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
Wallabies are the big favorites playing at home in front of their home crowds. Our lot haven't played in front of crowds since the 2019 WC.
Perhaps at Suncorp where they have such a strong record but this week is at the Gold Coast which typically draws poor sports crowds so this seems like an exaggeration.
As it's a double header and on a Sunday I expect a lot of kiwi/argie fans to watch the ABs game then leave - and of those that stay/come for the Wallabies-Boks game a lot will be Bok fans.
The last game Wallabies played on the Gold Coast was a loss to Argentina in front of 16,000 fans (capacity 27,000).
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@nta It's all about coaches. Rassie & Nienaber scout talent so much better then the others and made transformation top priority. The Springbokke results show improvement since Rassie took over.
Wallabies are the big favorites playing at home in front of their home crowds. Our lot haven't played in front of crowds since the 2019 WC.
Luckily we have Duane and Faf back. Cheslin probably out.
@oompb said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
Wallabies are the big favorites playing at home in front of their home crowds.
No.
At least, not according to Nick Mallet who basically said the superior Bok set piece and defence is going to challenge the ABs, and therefore it is implied they would be too good for the Wallabies.
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@oompb said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
Wallabies are the big favorites playing at home in front of their home crowds. Our lot haven't played in front of crowds since the 2019 WC.
Perhaps at Suncorp where they have such a strong record but this week is at the Gold Coast which typically draws poor sports crowds so this seems like an exaggeration.
As it's a double header and on a Sunday I expect a lot of kiwi/argie fans to watch the ABs game then leave - and of those that stay/come for the Wallabies-Boks game a lot will be Bok fans.
The last game Wallabies played on the Gold Coast was a loss to Argentina in front of 16,000 fans (capacity 27,000).
@kiwimurph I'll be interested to see if COVID plays a role in this i.e. there really has been fuck all on in terms of events. Against that, as you say: GC Stadium.
25C day and people might just have something better to do. I'll be in lockdown in front of of the box anyway.
Sunday games again. FFS... How am I supposed to get to church?
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@nta It's all about coaches. Rassie & Nienaber scout talent so much better then the others and made transformation top priority. The Springbokke results show improvement since Rassie took over.
Wallabies are the big favorites playing at home in front of their home crowds. Our lot haven't played in front of crowds since the 2019 WC.
Luckily we have Duane and Faf back. Cheslin probably out.
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@oompb said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
Wallabies are the big favorites playing at home in front of their home crowds.
No.
At least, not according to Nick Mallet who basically said the superior Bok set piece and defence is going to challenge the ABs, and therefore it is implied they would be too good for the Wallabies.
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@nta with all due respect Saffers want to measure against the All Blacks. So don't read to much from Mallet. That 100th test is going to be the test to win. Springboks are weak as favorites.
@oompb World Champions and Lions tamers = near unbackable favourites.
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@act-crusader ouch
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I know I should not be confident when the boks are playing in Australia, but I can't really see where this wallaby side is going to hurt the boks.
For South Africa the aim should be to attack the set piece. I back our scrum to have dominance at various times of the match, largely due to the depth we have there at the moment. The line out should be able to pressure theirs, though it will be interesting to see if we go with go with a lock on the bench or just two loose forwards with Mostert moving to lock later.
Then we also need to keep our discipline. I feel we can keep the pressure on Australia without taking to many risks at the ruck. So far this season our discipline has not been good enough and we need to ensure credit in the bank with referees with the All Black games coming up.
Based on the bledisloe series ther should be enough dropped balls and errors from the aussies for us to get possession in right parts of the field. The boks ability to transition from defense to attack is an under-rated part of their play.
If everything goes to plan I think we can have a 25-6 kind of result. If we play like we did in Arg 2, then we are looking at 18-13 kind of win. If we lose it will be because the Wallabies showed something we haven't seen from them this season AND a breakdown of the Springbok game (poor discipline, fluffed chances and bad goal kicking). I can see that happening sadly, but don't think it is the most likely outcome.
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@nta It's all about coaches. Rassie & Nienaber scout talent so much better then the others and made transformation top priority. The Springbokke results show improvement since Rassie took over.
Wallabies are the big favorites playing at home in front of their home crowds. Our lot haven't played in front of crowds since the 2019 WC.
Luckily we have Duane and Faf back. Cheslin probably out.
@oompb said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@nta It's all about coaches. Rassie & Nienaber scout talent so much better then the others and made transformation top priority. The Springbokke results show improvement since Rassie took over.
Wallabies are the big favorites playing at home in front of their home crowds. Our lot haven't played in front of crowds since the 2019 WC.
Luckily we have Duane and Faf back. Cheslin probably out.
I thought battling for underdog was so 10 years ago.
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Springbok team to face Australia in Gold Coast:
15 – Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz) – 66 caps, 60 pts (12t)
14 – Sbu Nkosi (Cell C Sharks) – 12 caps, 40 pts (8t)
13 – Lukhanyo Am (Cell C Sharks) – 19 caps, 20 pts (4t)
12 – Damian de Allende (Munster) – 51 caps, 30 pts (6t)
11 – Makazole Mapimpi (Cell C Sharks) – 18 caps, 80 pts (16t)
10 – Handré Pollard (vice-captain, Montpellier) – 53 caps, 521 pts (6t, 82c, 105p, 4d)
9 – Faf de Klerk (Sale Sharks) – 32 caps, 25 pts (5t)
8 – Duane Vermeulen (Vodacom Bulls) – 53 caps, 15 pts (3t)
7 – Franco Mostert (Honda Heat) – 44 caps, 5pts (1t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain, Cell C Sharks) – 56 caps, 30 pts (6t)
5 – Lood de Jager (Sale Sharks) – 50 caps, 25 pts (5t)
4 – Eben Etzebeth (Toulon) – 90 caps, 15 pts (3t)
3 – Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers) – 43 caps, 5pts (1t)
2 – Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Stormers) – 41 caps, 40 pts (8t)
1 – Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers) – 52 caps, 5pts (1t)Replacements:
16 – Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears) – 39 caps, 35 pts (7t)
17 – Ox Nché (Cell C Sharks) – 4 caps, 0 pts
18 – Vincent Koch (Saracens) – 24 caps, 0 pts
19 – Marco van Staden (Leicester Tigers) – 6 caps, 0 pts
20 – Kwagga Smith (Yamaha Júbilo) – 12 caps, 5 pts (1t)
21 – Jasper Wiese (Leicester Tigers) – 5 caps, 0 pts
22 – Herschel Jantjies (DHL Stormers) – 14 caps, 25 pts (5t)
23 – Damian Willemse (DHL Stormers) – 12 caps, 5pts (1t)Springbok record against Australia:
Played 88; Won 48, Lost 37, Drawn 3; Points for 1733, Points against 1550; Tries scored 202, Tries conceded 159; Highest score 61 pts, Biggest win 45 pts; Win %: 54%.
Milestones:
Makazole Mapimpi has scored 16 tries in 18 Tests, which equates to a try-scoring record of 88.9%. The player with the best try-scoring ratio with more than 20 Test caps, is former Springbok centre Danie Gerber, who ended his career with 19 tries in 24 Tests (79.2%).
Duane Vermeulen will start his 53rd Test in the Springbok No 8 jersey, stretching his number of starts to six more than the second-placed Pierre Spies (47).
Miscellaneous:The total Test caps for the Springbok starting line-up is
There are 251 caps in the backline with 429 caps amongst the forwards. On the bench there are a further 116
The average caps per player in the backline are 36 the forwards 53 while the players on the bench average 14.
