Wallabies vs Springboks I
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@nepia said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@nta said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@nzzp said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@duluth said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
I didn't know the run was that bad. That makes a Bok win even more likely - they are overdue
Apparently the Bokke have won 3 of the last 23 in Australia. I'm frankly astonished - not sure why they play so poorly, but good luck Australia. Hopefully a cracking game
The main reason was around their fitness and defence - yeah they'd nail us at set piece but run those Bok teams around a bit and they'd run out of puff. Also the Saffer-away-from-home factor seemed to play a part. They are usually OK in Perthfontein.
There was a lot of political pressure to transform in that mid-decade run as well.
Going by the team that won the RWC they should have transformed quicker.
Perhaps, but the systems weren't quite there. They were told to magic up a group of transformational players and it was a few years early.
@nta It's all about coaches. Rassie & Nienaber scout talent so much better then the others and made transformation top priority. The Springbokke results show improvement since Rassie took over.
Wallabies are the big favorites playing at home in front of their home crowds. Our lot haven't played in front of crowds since the 2019 WC.
Luckily we have Duane and Faf back. Cheslin probably out.
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@nzzp said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
Sunday night, 10pm NZT.
Not happening ... would love to, but need to sleep for Monday. Sad face.
Bro, live a little, have a late one. It’s only Monday.
Looking forward to the test match. For whatever reason the Springboks don’t have a great travelling record to Oz and NZ no matter how good the Boks are going.
@act-crusader said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@nzzp said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
Sunday night, 10pm NZT.
Not happening ... would love to, but need to sleep for Monday. Sad face.
Bro, live a little, have a late one. It’s only Monday.
Looking forward to the test match. For whatever reason the Springboks don’t have a great travelling record to Oz and NZ no matter how good the Boks are going.
yeah, definitely for the All Blacks, but not sure it's worth it for Aus SA. Will probably just watch a replay. Back in the early 2000's the Boks were paying $7 for a win in Australia. Seven bucks! I hopped on it, and they got smoked. Still seems deeply weird to me how they travel so poorly
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The intercepts from Oz are a product of players developing in a shit competition against shit opposition where they get away with it. This idea from some that they need to develop on their own in their own comp can be shot down just by those examples alone IMO.
It's like layers that look a million bucks in NPC then ten bucks at Super because their skills are based around picking out and running past lesser skilled players -
The intercepts from Oz are a product of players developing in a shit competition against shit opposition where they get away with it. This idea from some that they need to develop on their own in their own comp can be shot down just by those examples alone IMO.
It's like layers that look a million bucks in NPC then ten bucks at Super because their skills are based around picking out and running past lesser skilled players@crucial said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
It's like layers that look a million bucks in NPC then ten bucks at Super because their skills are based around picking out and running past lesser skilled players
Absolutely, like schoolboy layers who were bigger, stronger and faster than everyone else suddenly coming up against defences that you can't do that to. You have to reset your game, and find new ways to win.
One of the reasons the Aussies dominated world cricket for so long was the intensity of competition underneath. Now that's not what it was, and I think you're seeing the results play out at the top level. I'm firmly of the opinion that the drop in quality of Super rugby was a strong contributor to our post-2015 malaise in the All Blacks
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@nzzp said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@crucial said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
It's like layers that look a million bucks in NPC then ten bucks at Super because their skills are based around picking out and running past lesser skilled players
Absolutely, like schoolboy layers who were bigger, stronger and faster than everyone else suddenly coming up against defences that you can't do that to. You have to reset your game, and find new ways to win.
One of the reasons the Aussies dominated world cricket for so long was the intensity of competition underneath. Now that's not what it was, and I think you're seeing the results play out at the top level. I'm firmly of the opinion that the drop in quality of Super rugby was a strong contributor to our post-2015 malaise in the All Blacks
We also had a talent drain after 2015 that saw us lose a number of GOATs that eroded the core of the team, leaving holes we weren't able to readily and effectively fill
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@nzzp said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@crucial said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
It's like layers that look a million bucks in NPC then ten bucks at Super because their skills are based around picking out and running past lesser skilled players
Absolutely, like schoolboy layers who were bigger, stronger and faster than everyone else suddenly coming up against defences that you can't do that to. You have to reset your game, and find new ways to win.
One of the reasons the Aussies dominated world cricket for so long was the intensity of competition underneath. Now that's not what it was, and I think you're seeing the results play out at the top level. I'm firmly of the opinion that the drop in quality of Super rugby was a strong contributor to our post-2015 malaise in the All Blacks
We also had a talent drain after 2015 that saw us lose a number of GOATs that eroded the core of the team, leaving holes we weren't able to readily and effectively fill
@canefan said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@nzzp said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@crucial said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
It's like layers that look a million bucks in NPC then ten bucks at Super because their skills are based around picking out and running past lesser skilled players
Absolutely, like schoolboy layers who were bigger, stronger and faster than everyone else suddenly coming up against defences that you can't do that to. You have to reset your game, and find new ways to win.
One of the reasons the Aussies dominated world cricket for so long was the intensity of competition underneath. Now that's not what it was, and I think you're seeing the results play out at the top level. I'm firmly of the opinion that the drop in quality of Super rugby was a strong contributor to our post-2015 malaise in the All Blacks
We also had a talent drain after 2015 that saw us lose a number of GOATs that eroded the core of the team, leaving holes we weren't able to readily and effectively fill
absolutely. Generational shift. But, I think the fringe players over the last 4 years have been worse than the fringe players previously
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@canefan said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@nzzp said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@crucial said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
It's like layers that look a million bucks in NPC then ten bucks at Super because their skills are based around picking out and running past lesser skilled players
Absolutely, like schoolboy layers who were bigger, stronger and faster than everyone else suddenly coming up against defences that you can't do that to. You have to reset your game, and find new ways to win.
One of the reasons the Aussies dominated world cricket for so long was the intensity of competition underneath. Now that's not what it was, and I think you're seeing the results play out at the top level. I'm firmly of the opinion that the drop in quality of Super rugby was a strong contributor to our post-2015 malaise in the All Blacks
We also had a talent drain after 2015 that saw us lose a number of GOATs that eroded the core of the team, leaving holes we weren't able to readily and effectively fill
absolutely. Generational shift. But, I think the fringe players over the last 4 years have been worse than the fringe players previously
@nzzp said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@nzzp said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@crucial said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
It's like layers that look a million bucks in NPC then ten bucks at Super because their skills are based around picking out and running past lesser skilled players
Absolutely, like schoolboy layers who were bigger, stronger and faster than everyone else suddenly coming up against defences that you can't do that to. You have to reset your game, and find new ways to win.
One of the reasons the Aussies dominated world cricket for so long was the intensity of competition underneath. Now that's not what it was, and I think you're seeing the results play out at the top level. I'm firmly of the opinion that the drop in quality of Super rugby was a strong contributor to our post-2015 malaise in the All Blacks
We also had a talent drain after 2015 that saw us lose a number of GOATs that eroded the core of the team, leaving holes we weren't able to readily and effectively fill
absolutely. Generational shift. But, I think the fringe players over the last 4 years have been worse than the fringe players previously
It's going to be interesting to see how this current batch turn out. We have a few players who could be really good
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@nta It's all about coaches. Rassie & Nienaber scout talent so much better then the others and made transformation top priority. The Springbokke results show improvement since Rassie took over.
Wallabies are the big favorites playing at home in front of their home crowds. Our lot haven't played in front of crowds since the 2019 WC.
Luckily we have Duane and Faf back. Cheslin probably out.
@oompb said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
Wallabies are the big favorites playing at home in front of their home crowds. Our lot haven't played in front of crowds since the 2019 WC.
Perhaps at Suncorp where they have such a strong record but this week is at the Gold Coast which typically draws poor sports crowds so this seems like an exaggeration.
As it's a double header and on a Sunday I expect a lot of kiwi/argie fans to watch the ABs game then leave - and of those that stay/come for the Wallabies-Boks game a lot will be Bok fans.
The last game Wallabies played on the Gold Coast was a loss to Argentina in front of 16,000 fans (capacity 27,000).
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@nta It's all about coaches. Rassie & Nienaber scout talent so much better then the others and made transformation top priority. The Springbokke results show improvement since Rassie took over.
Wallabies are the big favorites playing at home in front of their home crowds. Our lot haven't played in front of crowds since the 2019 WC.
Luckily we have Duane and Faf back. Cheslin probably out.
@oompb said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
Wallabies are the big favorites playing at home in front of their home crowds.
No.
At least, not according to Nick Mallet who basically said the superior Bok set piece and defence is going to challenge the ABs, and therefore it is implied they would be too good for the Wallabies.
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@oompb said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
Wallabies are the big favorites playing at home in front of their home crowds. Our lot haven't played in front of crowds since the 2019 WC.
Perhaps at Suncorp where they have such a strong record but this week is at the Gold Coast which typically draws poor sports crowds so this seems like an exaggeration.
As it's a double header and on a Sunday I expect a lot of kiwi/argie fans to watch the ABs game then leave - and of those that stay/come for the Wallabies-Boks game a lot will be Bok fans.
The last game Wallabies played on the Gold Coast was a loss to Argentina in front of 16,000 fans (capacity 27,000).
@kiwimurph I'll be interested to see if COVID plays a role in this i.e. there really has been fuck all on in terms of events. Against that, as you say: GC Stadium.
25C day and people might just have something better to do. I'll be in lockdown in front of of the box anyway.
Sunday games again. FFS... How am I supposed to get to church?
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@nta It's all about coaches. Rassie & Nienaber scout talent so much better then the others and made transformation top priority. The Springbokke results show improvement since Rassie took over.
Wallabies are the big favorites playing at home in front of their home crowds. Our lot haven't played in front of crowds since the 2019 WC.
Luckily we have Duane and Faf back. Cheslin probably out.
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@oompb said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
Wallabies are the big favorites playing at home in front of their home crowds.
No.
At least, not according to Nick Mallet who basically said the superior Bok set piece and defence is going to challenge the ABs, and therefore it is implied they would be too good for the Wallabies.
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@nta with all due respect Saffers want to measure against the All Blacks. So don't read to much from Mallet. That 100th test is going to be the test to win. Springboks are weak as favorites.
@oompb World Champions and Lions tamers = near unbackable favourites.
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@act-crusader ouch
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I know I should not be confident when the boks are playing in Australia, but I can't really see where this wallaby side is going to hurt the boks.
For South Africa the aim should be to attack the set piece. I back our scrum to have dominance at various times of the match, largely due to the depth we have there at the moment. The line out should be able to pressure theirs, though it will be interesting to see if we go with go with a lock on the bench or just two loose forwards with Mostert moving to lock later.
Then we also need to keep our discipline. I feel we can keep the pressure on Australia without taking to many risks at the ruck. So far this season our discipline has not been good enough and we need to ensure credit in the bank with referees with the All Black games coming up.
Based on the bledisloe series ther should be enough dropped balls and errors from the aussies for us to get possession in right parts of the field. The boks ability to transition from defense to attack is an under-rated part of their play.
If everything goes to plan I think we can have a 25-6 kind of result. If we play like we did in Arg 2, then we are looking at 18-13 kind of win. If we lose it will be because the Wallabies showed something we haven't seen from them this season AND a breakdown of the Springbok game (poor discipline, fluffed chances and bad goal kicking). I can see that happening sadly, but don't think it is the most likely outcome.
