Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth)
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Lawyer Aaron Lloyd (who wasn't involved in this case) about the Jordie decision:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/1cIL770GpbG5y8XQiIPaEb?si=_WmmnOj2TLayhDL2cZHR2w&dl_branch=1&nd=1
do we think there's something not working right when the defense needs to present a expert witness about the biomechanics of jordies jump? same with all the "forward pass" stuff, when we have to talk about "relative velocities" you have to think Rugby is getting too complicated
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do we think there's something not working right when the defense needs to present a expert witness about the biomechanics of jordies jump? same with all the "forward pass" stuff, when we have to talk about "relative velocities" you have to think Rugby is getting too complicated
@kiwiwomble I found it interesting that Lloyd said - in relation to Ben O'Keefe saying he'd have given a red card - that the on-field decision may have been right at the time because of what the ref saw, right there, without being able to analyse it in more detail. And that then the Judiciary sets it right when they can analyse it properly.
I think that's okay, as long as they don't throw referees under the bus. I felt that's what they did with Angus Gardner after he gave Benjamin Fall that red card for tackling BB in the air and that red card was expunged. They didn't just publish the decision of the Judiciary, but also a statement from World Rugby IIRC. That statement should never have been released; that was pure NH politics.
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@arhs Yep I think a yellow and placed on report would be the best option in these unusual circumstances. I am just happy we had the 20 minute rule. Imagine if we had lost him for the entire game, I truly believe the players will be far less likely to switch off knowing they only need to hold on for 10/20 minutes as opposed to being down to 14 for 60 minutes.
@chimoaus said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@arhs Yep I think a yellow and placed on report would be the best option in these unusual circumstances. I am just happy we had the 20 minute rule. Imagine if we had lost him for the entire game, I truly believe the players will be far less likely to switch off knowing they only need to hold on for 10/20 minutes as opposed to being down to 14 for 60 minutes.
Actually that covered in any case, a yellow card if not deemed correct can still be taken to judiciary for further action!
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Yep - I feel sorry for the referees, including Murphy in this instance. How does he instantly determine if the foot out is to assist balance in landing, or to prevent an oncoming player from legally tackling him once he hits the ground, or malicious intent for the approaching player? I think they should have used common-sense and issued yellow - but if the guys reviewing them want to see a hard-line rule interpretation for a huge viewing audience, what are they to do?
Who wants to become a referee or TMO?
@arhs said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Yep - I feel sorry for the referees, including Murphy in this instance. How does he instantly determine if the foot out is to assist balance in landing, or to prevent an oncoming player from legally tackling him once he hits the ground, or malicious intent for the approaching player? I think they should have used common-sense and issued yellow - but if the guys reviewing them want to see a hard-line rule interpretation for a huge viewing audience, what are they to do?
Who wants to become a referee or TMO?
I feel for the ref too arhs, but no more than I feel sorry for a player who has been wrongly carded. By the way I originally thought it a red too.
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@kiwiwomble I found it interesting that Lloyd said - in relation to Ben O'Keefe saying he'd have given a red card - that the on-field decision may have been right at the time because of what the ref saw, right there, without being able to analyse it in more detail. And that then the Judiciary sets it right when they can analyse it properly.
I think that's okay, as long as they don't throw referees under the bus. I felt that's what they did with Angus Gardner after he gave Benjamin Fall that red card for tackling BB in the air and that red card was expunged. They didn't just publish the decision of the Judiciary, but also a statement from World Rugby IIRC. That statement should never have been released; that was pure NH politics.
@stargazer said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@kiwiwomble I found it interesting that Lloyd said - in relation to Ben O'Keefe saying he'd have given a red card - that the on-field decision may have been right at the time because of what the ref saw, right there, without being able to analyse it in more detail. And that then the Judiciary sets it right when they can analyse it properly.
I think that's okay, as long as they don't throw referees under the bus. I felt that's what they did with Angus Gardner after he gave Benjamin Fall that red card for tackling BB in the air and that red card was expunged. They didn't just publish the decision of the Judiciary, but also a statement from World Rugby IIRC. That statement should never have been released; that was pure NH politics.
Fair enough, my gut is I’d love it to be more simple, but I guess we’re past that and probably to much riding on it all
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@chimoaus said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@arhs Yep I think a yellow and placed on report would be the best option in these unusual circumstances. I am just happy we had the 20 minute rule. Imagine if we had lost him for the entire game, I truly believe the players will be far less likely to switch off knowing they only need to hold on for 10/20 minutes as opposed to being down to 14 for 60 minutes.
Actually that covered in any case, a yellow card if not deemed correct can still be taken to judiciary for further action!
@dan54 said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chimoaus said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@arhs Yep I think a yellow and placed on report would be the best option in these unusual circumstances. I am just happy we had the 20 minute rule. Imagine if we had lost him for the entire game, I truly believe the players will be far less likely to switch off knowing they only need to hold on for 10/20 minutes as opposed to being down to 14 for 60 minutes.
Actually that covered in any case, a yellow card if not deemed correct can still be taken to judiciary for further action!
Only if it meets the red-card-threshold.
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Just as I expected, the NH has woken up and crying outrage. According to the comments on the tweet below, Jordie apparently got off without a suspension because he's an All Black. I've seen more comments like that, also in French.
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Just as I expected, the NH has woken up and crying outrage. According to the comments on the tweet below, Jordie apparently got off without a suspension because he's an All Black. I've seen more comments like that, also in French.
@stargazer said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Just as I expected, the NH has woken up and crying outrage. According to the comments on the tweet below, Jordie apparently got off without a suspension because he's an All Black. I've seen more comments like that, also in French.
I can kind of see that point of view though, it's not clear from the Hastings one that he was acting accidentally or intentionally in raising his foot (about 48 seconds in), so for this red card to put aside and that to get three weeks makes you question the process:
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@stargazer said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Just as I expected, the NH has woken up and crying outrage. According to the comments on the tweet below, Jordie apparently got off without a suspension because he's an All Black. I've seen more comments like that, also in French.
I can kind of see that point of view though, it's not clear from the Hastings one that he was acting accidentally or intentionally in raising his foot (about 48 seconds in), so for this red card to put aside and that to get three weeks makes you question the process:
I hope journalists notice there are different people on different panels and it might not actually because someone is an All Black...
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I hope journalists notice there are different people on different panels and it might not actually because someone is an All Black...
@nostrildamus According to the comments on social media, it's DEFINITELY because he's an All Black!
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I hope journalists notice there are different people on different panels and it might not actually because someone is an All Black...
@nostrildamus said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
it might not actually because someone is an All Black
Well it should be.
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Just as I expected, the NH has woken up and crying outrage. According to the comments on the tweet below, Jordie apparently got off without a suspension because he's an All Black. I've seen more comments like that, also in French.
@stargazer said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Just as I expected, the NH has woken up and crying outrage. According to the comments on the tweet below, Jordie apparently got off without a suspension because he's an All Black. I've seen more comments like that, also in French.
Yeah duh. We controls the World Rugbys. Bahaha. Suck it losers.
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@stargazer said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Just as I expected, the NH has woken up and crying outrage. According to the comments on the tweet below, Jordie apparently got off without a suspension because he's an All Black. I've seen more comments like that, also in French.
I can kind of see that point of view though, it's not clear from the Hastings one that he was acting accidentally or intentionally in raising his foot (about 48 seconds in), so for this red card to put aside and that to get three weeks makes you question the process:
@gt12 said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@stargazer said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Just as I expected, the NH has woken up and crying outrage. According to the comments on the tweet below, Jordie apparently got off without a suspension because he's an All Black. I've seen more comments like that, also in French.
I can kind of see that point of view though, it's not clear from the Hastings one that he was acting accidentally or intentionally in raising his foot (about 48 seconds in), so for this red card to put aside and that to get three weeks makes you question the process:
It might be bias, but I'm happy there's significant difference between those two. The problem is PR dwellers, redditors and twitterers don't.
Malcolm looks like he inadvertently caught a rugby ball trying to kick someone in the head.
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@stargazer said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Just as I expected, the NH has woken up and crying outrage. According to the comments on the tweet below, Jordie apparently got off without a suspension because he's an All Black. I've seen more comments like that, also in French.
Yeah duh. We controls the World Rugbys. Bahaha. Suck it losers.
@booboo maybe his lawyer was shit?
While many are similar, at the end of the day we want things looked at on thier own and will always be differences, however subtle.
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@stargazer said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
https://twitter.com/anthonywatson_/status/1435649535670460417
Before I clicked on that I knew with absolute certainty there'd be "experts" telling Anthony he's wrong. Experts who have never left the earth's surface under their own steam.
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@stargazer said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
https://twitter.com/anthonywatson_/status/1435649535670460417
Before I clicked on that I knew with absolute certainty there'd be "experts" telling Anthony he's wrong. Experts who have never left the earth's surface under their own steam.
@antipodean said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@stargazer said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
https://twitter.com/anthonywatson_/status/1435649535670460417
Before I clicked on that I knew with absolute certainty there'd be "experts" telling Anthony he's wrong. Experts who have never left the earth's surface under their own steam.
Last time I checked, no Aussies have gone into orbit yet.....
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@stargazer said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
https://twitter.com/anthonywatson_/status/1435649535670460417
*you’re
But he is correct
