Wallabies vs Springboks I
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@sidbarret said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@smuts I have theory as why we struggle to produce centres as compared to say locks. When they select the craven week teams (especially here in the WC) they only look at the big three schools. It is far harder to miss a 6'8 guy from Tygerberg than it is a center playing in for Bellville.
Am I missing something here? In my rugby lifetime, I can remember the following Springbok midfielders, all of whom were pretty decent: Danie Gerber, Hennie Le Roux, Jaapie Mulder, Pieter Muller, Marius Joubert (in combination with De Wet Barry), Jacques Fourie, Jean De Villiers, Kriel, De Allende and Am.
@junior said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@sidbarret said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@smuts I have theory as why we struggle to produce centres as compared to say locks. When they select the craven week teams (especially here in the WC) they only look at the big three schools. It is far harder to miss a 6'8 guy from Tygerberg than it is a center playing in for Bellville.
Am I missing something here? In my rugby lifetime, I can remember the following Springbok midfielders, all of whom were pretty decent: Danie Gerber, Hennie Le Roux, Jaapie Mulder, Pieter Muller, Marius Joubert (in combination with De Wet Barry), Jacques Fourie, Jean De Villiers, Kriel, De Allende and Am.
3 of those were (or in Mirrors Kriel’s case: is) extremely limited. But my point was really that the drop off from that short list has always been extremely steep (even if you missed Muir, Venter, Snyman and for the blink of an eye Stewart.)
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@sidbarret said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@smuts I have theory as why we struggle to produce centres as compared to say locks. When they select the craven week teams (especially here in the WC) they only look at the big three schools. It is far harder to miss a 6'8 guy from Tygerberg than it is a center playing in for Bellville.
Am I missing something here? In my rugby lifetime, I can remember the following Springbok midfielders, all of whom were pretty decent: Danie Gerber, Hennie Le Roux, Jaapie Mulder, Pieter Muller, Marius Joubert (in combination with De Wet Barry), Jacques Fourie, Jean De Villiers, Kriel, De Allende and Am.
@junior Am and Ellende is a top combination these days. Add Mapimpi and Kolbey and Pollard in 10 and it all add up to one of the best Bok backlines for a very long time. Wish the coaches will change our gameplan to less box and up and unders kicks. It work at the moment but giving it more air may also work. Maybe the next 4 tests will make them change. Maybe.
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@smuts I have theory as why we struggle to produce centres as compared to say locks. When they select the craven week teams (especially here in the WC) they only look at the big three schools. It is far harder to miss a 6'8 guy from Tygerberg than it is a center playing in for Bellville.
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@smuts I have theory as why we struggle to produce centres as compared to say locks. When they select the craven week teams (especially here in the WC) they only look at the big three schools. It is far harder to miss a 6'8 guy from Tygerberg than it is a center playing in for Bellville.
@sidbarret that’s definitely one facet of the problem. In general I’d say there have been far, far too many bang-average Bishops (insert overpriced school of Capistagno’s choice here) okes selected (at every level) and far, far too few rougher players from De Aar Technical College (no idea what the actual WP schools catchment is.)
But another problem is how few Bobos and JP Pietersens there are. On the one game I saw him play, Bobo was a pretty average schoolboy flank but a more than handy super level centre. Most of our schoolboy coaches are unimaginative, naturally conservative and not all that technically adept. So if a kid was labelled a lock, loosie or prop by the poor bugger coaching u14Cs that’s what he was at open level. And all too often they refuse to drop the old boy’s son who was the hormone wing for the feeder school but is now an undersized, three-legged rocking horse who envies the hands on a digital watch.
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@sidbarret Ellende is from Milnerton, Am from High School de Vos Malan. They are less rugby schools then Bellville
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@oompb you’re underlining SB’s point: DdA was a freak. So the system picked him out. Am very, very nearly got lost.
@smuts sure.
Craven Week is not the breed of talented players nowadays. Easter Tournaments is more the scouters dream. Problem is we don't had any schoolboy rugby for two seasons.
I know the Western Cape schoolboy setup well, walking line for my kids schooled at Paarl Gim and the youngest at Paul Roos.
Paul Roos advert running rugby (win or loose), delivering modern players like Kitshoff, Schalk Brits, Willie , Willemse & Hershell Jantjies.
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@oompb you’re underlining SB’s point: DdA was a freak. So the system picked him out. Am very, very nearly got lost.
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The Boks feed off mistakes. I think I’d start with To’omua at 10 with Lolesio to come off bench.
Also, Boks defence struggles with 10 who plays flat, that would be the way I’d want them to play.
Need best scrummaging hooker (BPA?) to start. Mbonambi Is the key to Bok scrum. The first half scrums will be a searching examination, so also start best scrummaging locks. @NTA best placed to fill in names!
@pakman said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
The Boks feed off mistakes. I think I’d start with To’omua at 10 with Lolesio to come off bench.
The media is saying that Quade will be starting.
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@pakman said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
The Boks feed off mistakes. I think I’d start with To’omua at 10 with Lolesio to come off bench.
The media is saying that Quade will be starting.
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@pakman said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
The Boks feed off mistakes. I think I’d start with To’omua at 10 with Lolesio to come off bench.
The media is saying that Quade will be starting.
@bovidae said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@pakman said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
The Boks feed off mistakes. I think I’d start with To’omua at 10 with Lolesio to come off bench.
The media is saying that Quade will be starting.
Secure your laptops
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@frye said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
Hilarious if he was crucial in a Wallabies win and he still got denied citizenship.
It is a bit of a joke
@canefan said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
@frye said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
Hilarious if he was crucial in a Wallabies win and he still got denied citizenship.
It is a bit of a joke
He's being a whinger, he's not living in Oz and wondering why he can't get citizenship? He spends all his times overseas, so he'll need to wait ntil he retires.
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The Boks feed off mistakes. I think I’d start with To’omua at 10 with Lolesio to come off bench.
Also, Boks defence struggles with 10 who plays flat, that would be the way I’d want them to play.
Need best scrummaging hooker (BPA?) to start. Mbonambi Is the key to Bok scrum. The first half scrums will be a searching examination, so also start best scrummaging locks. @NTA best placed to fill in names!
@pakman said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:
Need best scrummaging hooker (BPA?) to start. Mbonambi Is the key to Bok scrum. The first half scrums will be a searching examination, so also start best scrummaging locks. @NTA best placed to fill in names!
If you want big lumps, then Philip and Rodda. LSL is out, and not sure Swain is quite ready tho we did alright against the ABs with him in the row.
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@kiwiwomble Rob Leota v the Springbok giants???
@arhs i just post it...i didn't choose it
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Hooper with all the work to do again. Nice to see Bell get a start but that's underwhelming. Why are they persisting with that donkey at fullback?
