All Blacks vs Pumas II
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@yeahtheboys said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@l_n_p have you guys ever watched NRL? Their playmakers (who are far better than Union playmakers imo) just about run sideways more than they run forward… if you’re fast enough and agile enough then running across field occasionally can cause a defence to bite out of the line, leaving holes. If the space is there in front of him, he takes it by running straight. If it’s not there then he tries to create something but changing running lines.
I grew up watch NRL as much as rugby, probably more tbh given how many matches ... it was Manly-Warringah for me as it has (had!) a big kiwi connection especially with Matthew Ridge moving there. Kevin and Tony Iro. Also loved to watch Balmain (Gary Jack!), Canberra.
It's a different game on attack, though rugby has learned a LOT defensively from league defensive patterns and intensity.
The problems with Damien McKenzie, or anyone really, running sideways at top international level (it can work at SR level) is that (1) defenses are tighter, so he's looking for space that percentage-wise isn't there and (b) he runs away from his support, meaning often slow ball at best or a turnover.
@l_n_p said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@yeahtheboys said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
The problems with Damien McKenzie, or anyone really, running sideways at top international level (it can work at SR level) is that (1) defenses are tighter, so he's looking for space that percentage-wise isn't there and (b) he runs away from his support, meaning often slow ball at best or a turnover.
Funny thing about DMac, I think he runs a bit like RMo, in that he drifts/runs sideways looking for a place to beat somewhere, and only mean that if you watch BB he is the type who plays flat to the line and plays to gaps in front of him. Not saying either is right, just how I have seen them play.
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@l_n_p said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@yeahtheboys said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
The problems with Damien McKenzie, or anyone really, running sideways at top international level (it can work at SR level) is that (1) defenses are tighter, so he's looking for space that percentage-wise isn't there and (b) he runs away from his support, meaning often slow ball at best or a turnover.
Funny thing about DMac, I think he runs a bit like RMo, in that he drifts/runs sideways looking for a place to beat somewhere, and only mean that if you watch BB he is the type who plays flat to the line and plays to gaps in front of him. Not saying either is right, just how I have seen them play.
@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Funny thing about DMac, I think he runs a bit like RMo, in that he drifts/runs sideways looking for a place to beat somewhere, and only mean that if you watch BB he is the type who plays flat to the line and plays to gaps in front of him. Not saying either is right, just how I have seen them play.
BB has tended to "shovel" the ball on a bit in a predicable way, allowing defenses to drift? D*mn you Dan, now I need to rewatch a whole lot of RM's international games!
Regardless, the way BB ran direct (crash-ball) at 10 vs the Pumas, plus his run-kick-pass decision-making was remiscent of DC at his best ... sorely missed. Jonny Wilkinson is remembered for his kicking and tackling but he also know how and when to take the line on, bloke was 110% committed.
I'm kind of hoping the directness was a coaching message to all three AB 10's. If not, it bl**dy well should be.
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Last week was the best game at 10 BB has played in ages. Bit rich to make out like that’s his standard until he strings some together.
Also a bit rich to make out that running sideways is something DMac does as a standard option. He does do it but mostly when cleaning up from a spilled pass or a kick through. When that happens he has to buy time and look for a way to not get caught while the support gets behind him. RM does the same. They aren’t as strong as BB who can stand in the tackle a bit better.
What I would like to see more of tonight is DMac distributing sharp passes into gaps in front of runners. Those are the money balls for gaining ground and making breaks. -
@l_n_p I'd be surprised to find anyone that doesn't rate Jane. Fairly unique in that you knew he'd never let the jersey down...
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I have feeling this won't be as easy as last week. Should be a good test for the new faces.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
I have feeling this won't be as easy as last week. Should be a good test for the new faces.
Its a proper B team from us, so it could get a bit worrying if that front five doesn’t stand up. Plus Dmac is at 10, so I imagine we all might need a few deep breaths.
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
I have feeling this won't be as easy as last week. Should be a good test for the new faces.
Its a proper B team from us, so it could get a bit worrying if that front five doesn’t stand up. Plus Dmac is at 10, so I imagine we all might need a few deep breaths.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
I have feeling this won't be as easy as last week. Should be a good test for the new faces.
Its a proper B team from us, so it could get a bit worrying if that front five doesn’t stand up. Plus Dmac is at 10, so I imagine we all might need a few deep breaths.
We will be right Moody will get better with some more game time Ofa back on the bench Ardie there. And Taylor and Scott Barrett on the bench.
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
I have feeling this won't be as easy as last week. Should be a good test for the new faces.
Its a proper B team from us, so it could get a bit worrying if that front five doesn’t stand up. Plus Dmac is at 10, so I imagine we all might need a few deep breaths.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
I have feeling this won't be as easy as last week. Should be a good test for the new faces.
Its a proper B team from us, so it could get a bit worrying if that front five doesn’t stand up. Plus Dmac is at 10, so I imagine we all might need a few deep breaths.
I hope they all have blinders.
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@l_n_p I'd be surprised to find anyone that doesn't rate Jane. Fairly unique in that you knew he'd never let the jersey down...
Tell us the story about when he ran around you in a club game
@mn5 said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@l_n_p I'd be surprised to find anyone that doesn't rate Jane. Fairly unique in that you knew he'd never let the jersey down...
Tell us the story about when he ran around you in a club game
He didn't need to. He was already past me before I even saw him.
Edit: just for you though, I'll claim I couldn't see past pow's toilet from fullback.
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@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
According to Stan, if we win by 15 points tonight we go back to number 1.
https://rawling.github.io/wr-calc/
Nope, we cannot get more than .38. Ozzie needed to win by 16 for us to go top
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Does anyone wear the same All Blacks gear during the game, I have had an ABs hat signed by the GOAT that I have worn for the last 10 years. Does fuck all but makes me feel like I'm helping.
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@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
According to Stan, if we win by 15 points tonight we go back to number 1.
https://rawling.github.io/wr-calc/
Nope, we cannot get more than .38. Ozzie needed to win by 16 for us to go top
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
According to Stan, if we win by 15 points tonight we go back to number 1.
https://rawling.github.io/wr-calc/
Nope, we cannot get more than .38. Ozzie needed to win by 16 for us to go top
Got to love the Fern
Thanks.
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Does anyone wear the same All Blacks gear during the game, I have had an ABs hat signed by the GOAT that I have worn for the last 10 years. Does fuck all but makes me feel like I'm helping.
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@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
According to Stan, if we win by 15 points tonight we go back to number 1.
https://rawling.github.io/wr-calc/
Nope, we cannot get more than .38. Ozzie needed to win by 16 for us to go top
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
According to Stan, if we win by 15 points tonight we go back to number 1.
https://rawling.github.io/wr-calc/
Nope, we cannot get more than .38. Ozzie needed to win by 16 for us to go top
Be a nicer achievement taking it off the bokke when we beat them...
