All Blacks vs Springboks I
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Hard to know exactly what South African team will front up ,
While the media are acting like the results against Australia are a shock , The reality is normality has resumed ,
They may have won the same amount of world cups as us , but outside that , have been a pretty hot and cold team in reality , I think they enjoy getting themselves up for a window like a World Cup but struggle maintaining consistency for extended periods
The decline in Super, the rise of NH, and being able to pick players from Northern hemisphere helped too... The players who came back looked like stars, where previously they'd been off the pace
And how has that worked for the Bokke?
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Hard to know exactly what South African team will front up ,
While the media are acting like the results against Australia are a shock , The reality is normality has resumed ,
They may have won the same amount of world cups as us , but outside that , have been a pretty hot and cold team in reality , I think they enjoy getting themselves up for a window like a World Cup but struggle maintaining consistency for extended periods
The decline in Super, the rise of NH, and being able to pick players from Northern hemisphere helped too... The players who came back looked like stars, where previously they'd been off the pace
And how has that worked for the Bokke?
Well, it got them a RWC, and the No 1 ranking for two years (tongue firmly in cheek).
Seriously, though, like Australia, it filled some holes when needed. Some of the players they grabbed (Kolbe, JOC, etc) were absolute stars.
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@crucial you'd have Vaa'i?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@crucial you'd have Vaa'i?
Yep. Offers more energy and, although a test against the bokke may not be the traditional place to 'grow' a player, needs games against this type of physical opposition to develop.
Pat T isn't the future IMO. Has had loads of chances and just seems to go missing. -
@tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
This will be the team if ALB is fit:
1 Tu'inukuafe
2 Taylor
3 Laulala
4 Retallick
5 Barrett
6 Ioane
7 Papalii
8 Savea
9 Perenara
10 Barrett
11 Ioane
12 Havili
13 ALB
14 Reece
15 Barrett16 Taukei'aho
17 Moody
18 Tu'ungafasi
19 Tuipulotu
20 Jacobson
21 Weber
22 DMac
23 JordanI think that's the 23 if ALB fit, with 19 the biggest uncertainty. My hunch, though, is that Moody will be in 1 and Karl in 17.
If ALB out I'd be inclined to go with Tuapea on bench and Jordan moving to 14.
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Vaai seems like a great 'system fit' for how Fozzie wants his forwards to play the game.
Mobile, highly skillful, high workrate and improving at the dark arts.
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Vaai seems like a great 'system fit' for how Fozzie wants his forwards to play the game.
Mobile, highly skillful, high workrate and improving at the dark arts.
In future, he might be able to cover 6 from the bench too. That would allow for a 7/8 (like Ardie) on the bench without having a starter cover 6
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@crucial you'd have Vaa'i?
Yep. Offers more energy and, although a test against the bokke may not be the traditional place to 'grow' a player, needs games against this type of physical opposition to develop.
Pat T isn't the future IMO. Has had loads of chances and just seems to go missing.@crucial said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@crucial you'd have Vaa'i?
Yep. Offers more energy and, although a test against the bokke may not be the traditional place to 'grow' a player, needs games against this type of physical opposition to develop.
Pat T isn't the future IMO. Has had loads of chances and just seems to go missing.A shame cos he sure looks the part in terms of being a big bruiser to compete with Bok/English packs. Massive human being up close when I saw him and the rest of the Blues on a flight earlier this year.
Didn’t get a chance to have breakfast with him or any of his teammates but he took up a lot of room when walking down the aisle of a plane.
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i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football
but
we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.
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@duluth said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Geez Laurie, this is eerily reminiscent of when Fitzy said he wouldn’t choose a single Australian in a combined team back in 2003
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i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football
but
we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football
but
we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.
Yeah - a couple of weeks ago, no-one thought the Aussies would get close to SA.
In theory you'd think:
NZ>Aus
Aus>SASo NZ>SA
But, it doesn't always happen that way.
However, the Boks will be paying plenty on the TAB.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football
but
we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.
Yeah - a couple of weeks ago, no-one thought the Aussies would get close to SA.
In theory you'd think:
NZ>Aus
Aus>SASo NZ>SA
But, it doesn't always happen that way.
However, the Boks will be paying plenty on the TAB.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football
but
we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.
Yeah - a couple of weeks ago, no-one thought the Aussies would get close to SA.
In theory you'd think:
NZ>Aus
Aus>SASo NZ>SA
But, it doesn't always happen that way.
However, the Boks will be paying plenty on the TAB.
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football
but
we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.
Yeah - a couple of weeks ago, no-one thought the Aussies would get close to SA.
In theory you'd think:
NZ>Aus
Aus>SASo NZ>SA
But, it doesn't always happen that way.
However, the Boks will be paying plenty on the TAB.
this week franks the form either way
Have the Wallabies been hugely improved by the changes at 10 and 12?
or
Are the Boks really just rubbish
i get the feeling it's a bit from column A and a bit from column B. And we are going to have to be sharp to take advantage of whatever opportunities we get. And stay patient
One thing is that it's starting to get warm in North Queensland. Are we the afternoon game or the night game?
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football
but
we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.
Yeah - a couple of weeks ago, no-one thought the Aussies would get close to SA.
In theory you'd think:
NZ>Aus
Aus>SASo NZ>SA
But, it doesn't always happen that way.
However, the Boks will be paying plenty on the TAB.
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football
but
we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.
Yeah - a couple of weeks ago, no-one thought the Aussies would get close to SA.
In theory you'd think:
NZ>Aus
Aus>SASo NZ>SA
But, it doesn't always happen that way.
However, the Boks will be paying plenty on the TAB.
It’s like when everyone thought since Frazier > Ali and then Foreman > Frazier then naturally Foreman > Ali was a logical conclusion.
I don’t know what this has to do with Rugby but shut the fuck up Laurie ‘funeral face” Mains. Predictions like that have a habit of blowing up in faces.
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@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football
but
we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.
Yeah - a couple of weeks ago, no-one thought the Aussies would get close to SA.
In theory you'd think:
NZ>Aus
Aus>SASo NZ>SA
But, it doesn't always happen that way.
However, the Boks will be paying plenty on the TAB.
this week franks the form either way
Have the Wallabies been hugely improved by the changes at 10 and 12?
or
Are the Boks really just rubbish
i get the feeling it's a bit from column A and a bit from column B. And we are going to have to be sharp to take advantage of whatever opportunities we get. And stay patient
One thing is that it's starting to get warm in North Queensland. Are we the afternoon game or the night game?
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football
but
we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.
Yeah - a couple of weeks ago, no-one thought the Aussies would get close to SA.
In theory you'd think:
NZ>Aus
Aus>SASo NZ>SA
But, it doesn't always happen that way.
However, the Boks will be paying plenty on the TAB.
this week franks the form either way
Have the Wallabies been hugely improved by the changes at 10 and 12?
or
Are the Boks really just rubbish
i get the feeling it's a bit from column A and a bit from column B. And we are going to have to be sharp to take advantage of whatever opportunities we get. And stay patient
One thing is that it's starting to get warm in North Queensland. Are we the afternoon game or the night game?
7pm NZ, next week we're the 10pm
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@tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@chris-b
$3.50
Oz at $1.37 to beat the Argies looks like easy money.
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@chris-b
$3.50
Oz at $1.37 to beat the Argies looks like easy money.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmulti!
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the Bok away are different to the Bok at home, and while they will always lift for an AB match, and the physicality will need to be top notch from us...there will now be lingering doubts (in thier own minds too) about how good they really are, after we smoked Aus, and they have been beaten by Aus, twice...sure it isnt that straight forward, or maybe thier coach has been targetting this match for 4 years
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@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football
but
we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.
Yeah - a couple of weeks ago, no-one thought the Aussies would get close to SA.
In theory you'd think:
NZ>Aus
Aus>SASo NZ>SA
But, it doesn't always happen that way.
However, the Boks will be paying plenty on the TAB.
this week franks the form either way
Have the Wallabies been hugely improved by the changes at 10 and 12?
or
Are the Boks really just rubbish
i get the feeling it's a bit from column A and a bit from column B. And we are going to have to be sharp to take advantage of whatever opportunities we get. And stay patient
One thing is that it's starting to get warm in North Queensland. Are we the afternoon game or the night game?
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football
but
we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.
Yeah - a couple of weeks ago, no-one thought the Aussies would get close to SA.
In theory you'd think:
NZ>Aus
Aus>SASo NZ>SA
But, it doesn't always happen that way.
However, the Boks will be paying plenty on the TAB.
this week franks the form either way
Have the Wallabies been hugely improved by the changes at 10 and 12?
or
Are the Boks really just rubbish
i get the feeling it's a bit from column A and a bit from column B.
I think you're right.
But, if Laurie is right about them missing Super rugby, then they should be better for their games against Oz.
Missing big Pieter-Steph and Kolbe won't have helped them. They might get Kolbe back for this game?
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That point just after half time where they suddenly started playing up-tempo was weird. Faf took a quick tap, they panicked the Aussies, and scored immediately.
And then just, reverted to type?
