All Blacks vs Pumas II
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@arhs I honestly have no idea about small towns north of Taupo. They occasionally ask which one is furthest north in the Stuff quiz. I'm like WTF - these are actual places?
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@arhs I honestly have no idea about small towns north of Taupo. They occasionally ask which one is furthest north in the Stuff quiz. I'm like WTF - these are actual places?
Speaking of small towns is it true that Nelson is so named because everyone there is one-eyed but relatively (h)armless?
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@billy-tell said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
From what I saw George bridge made a knock on. He had otherwise had a solid but unspectacular match. 7/10. Would not be surprised to see him named vs SA he is good in the air.
Agreed. He looks safe under the high ball and that goes a long way to defusing South Africa's game.
Rieko also made a knock on. He also blew a certain try by not passing to unmarked players. However the try was only on in the first place because of his step and speed. I don’t like Centres who don’t pass. They look like wingers playing centre. Rieko at 11 for me.
Ignoring when Rieko has created tries with brilliant passes, he made the correct decision on the weekend not to pass to his support as the Argentinian player covered the potential pass.
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Agreed. He looks safe under the high ball and that goes a long way to defusing South Africa's game.
Is this the reason Fozzie kept selecting Jordie at 14, I wonder?
Strategy seems to make sense now he has an actual winger at 14 and not a 15.
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@l_n_p said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@billy-tell said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
I don’t like Centres who don’t pass. They look like wingers playing centre. Rieko at 11 for me.
I'd probably reframe it as centres who 'can't' pass. He can pass, and often does - in that try buildup he chose not to (you see him look, and hold the ball). That said, he's 24 and learning the position - with 30 test tries under his belt. Remarkable given how long he's been in the environment. I think his passing is a work in progress, but it's getting that knack of finding people in dynamic situations.
I agree, 24 is so young for an international 13. As I remember (Nonu, Tana) every winger who moves infield takes sh*t for a few years because it takes a few years to learn the position?
The fact he's asked to play 13 already tells us that we wants to learn so his attitude is fine.
Definitely prefer ALB as #1 but can see Rieko as a starter at 13 sometime after the next RWC by which time he's 27-28 maybe.
my only real problem with RI now is he's still out best 11, so while he's trying to learn a new position we're calling him back out to the wing every few games to sort shit out
Bar the botched try on the weekend where TJ should've scored RI has looked more and more at home at Centre at the top level. I remember watching him at Auckland Grammar at Centre and you could see that he would probably spend some time on the wing such was his pace and propensity to take on the line himself.
I was at the game on the weekend at Suncorp, he does alot of off the ball work as well which is good to see. Constantly talking to his outsides and communicating with Tupaea.
@themojoman said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
I was at the game on the weekend at Suncorp, he does alot of off the ball work as well which is good to see. Constantly talking to his outsides and communicating with Tupaea.
Good for him There's been a lot more communicating and leadership going on in the last 4-5 AB games from the senior players, which is good to see. As a result, there seems to be far less headless-chook play when the team are under pressure.
Is Reiko in the leadership group?
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@themojoman said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
I was at the game on the weekend at Suncorp, he does alot of off the ball work as well which is good to see. Constantly talking to his outsides and communicating with Tupaea.
Good for him There's been a lot more communicating and leadership going on in the last 4-5 AB games from the senior players, which is good to see. As a result, there seems to be far less headless-chook play when the team are under pressure.
Is Reiko in the leadership group?
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@themojoman said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
I was at the game on the weekend at Suncorp, he does alot of off the ball work as well which is good to see. Constantly talking to his outsides and communicating with Tupaea.
Good for him There's been a lot more communicating and leadership going on in the last 4-5 AB games from the senior players, which is good to see. As a result, there seems to be far less headless-chook play when the team are under pressure.
Is Reiko in the leadership group?
Not that I know of, nope
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@chris-b Spot on there. Hard to tell where Auckland ends now though with Hampton Downs Te Kauwhata and Ohinewai moving on. But Maramarua is swamp land Counties
@arhs said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@chris-b Spot on there. Hard to tell where Auckland ends now though with Hampton Downs Te Kauwhata and Ohinewai moving on. But Maramarua is swamp land Counties
I consider Te Kauwhata as Counties country for rugby and other sports and anything south of there Waikato.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Agreed. He looks safe under the high ball and that goes a long way to defusing South Africa's game.
Is this the reason Fozzie kept selecting Jordie at 14, I wonder?
Strategy seems to make sense now he has an actual winger at 14 and not a 15.
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Agreed. He looks safe under the high ball and that goes a long way to defusing South Africa's game.
Is this the reason Fozzie kept selecting Jordie at 14, I wonder?
Strategy seems to make sense now he has an actual winger at 14 and not a 15.
I think he mainly picked Jordie on the wing on the perception he'd be a low mistake/low risk option - compared to Sevu and Jordan.
As it turned out, I think Jordie's limitations as a genuine threat on the wing meant Fozzie's risk assessment was a bit flawed.
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Agreed. He looks safe under the high ball and that goes a long way to defusing South Africa's game.
Is this the reason Fozzie kept selecting Jordie at 14, I wonder?
Strategy seems to make sense now he has an actual winger at 14 and not a 15.
I think he mainly picked Jordie on the wing on the perception he'd be a low mistake/low risk option - compared to Sevu and Jordan.
As it turned out, I think Jordie's limitations as a genuine threat on the wing meant Fozzie's risk assessment was a bit flawed.
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
I think he mainly picked Jordie on the wing on the perception he'd be a low mistake/low risk option - compared to Sevu and Jordan.
Might make sense - though Jordie was hardly brain-fart free when he was picked at 14.
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Anybody else catch when Jordan (I think) went and got in the Bargy Hooker's face after winning a penalty and and the hooker told him to "stop showing off .... you're too young to show off".
Thought that was an interesting sledge at international level! I remember as a kid I hated being told that I was showing off.
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Agreed. He looks safe under the high ball and that goes a long way to defusing South Africa's game.
Is this the reason Fozzie kept selecting Jordie at 14, I wonder?
Strategy seems to make sense now he has an actual winger at 14 and not a 15.
I think he mainly picked Jordie on the wing on the perception he'd be a low mistake/low risk option - compared to Sevu and Jordan.
As it turned out, I think Jordie's limitations as a genuine threat on the wing meant Fozzie's risk assessment was a bit flawed.
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Agreed. He looks safe under the high ball and that goes a long way to defusing South Africa's game.
Is this the reason Fozzie kept selecting Jordie at 14, I wonder?
Strategy seems to make sense now he has an actual winger at 14 and not a 15.
I think he mainly picked Jordie on the wing on the perception he'd be a low mistake/low risk option - compared to Sevu and Jordan.
As it turned out, I think Jordie's limitations as a genuine threat on the wing meant Fozzie's risk assessment was a bit flawed.
Where on earth would he get that perception from? Making it up in his head?
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@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Agreed. He looks safe under the high ball and that goes a long way to defusing South Africa's game.
Is this the reason Fozzie kept selecting Jordie at 14, I wonder?
Strategy seems to make sense now he has an actual winger at 14 and not a 15.
I think he mainly picked Jordie on the wing on the perception he'd be a low mistake/low risk option - compared to Sevu and Jordan.
As it turned out, I think Jordie's limitations as a genuine threat on the wing meant Fozzie's risk assessment was a bit flawed.
Where on earth would he get that perception from? Making it up in his head?
@nepia Well, Jordan had never played a test, and I don't think Sevu was in as good a form last year as this.
So, experience and having a good Super season.
At the time, I thought it wasn't a bad plan given we'd had no warm up AB games.
History showing it was pretty flawed.
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@nepia Well, Jordan had never played a test, and I don't think Sevu was in as good a form last year as this.
So, experience and having a good Super season.
At the time, I thought it wasn't a bad plan given we'd had no warm up AB games.
History showing it was pretty flawed.
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nepia Well, Jordan had never played a test, and I don't think Sevu was in as good a form last year as this.
So, experience and having a good Super season.
At the time, I thought it wasn't a bad plan given we'd had no warm up AB games.
History showing it was pretty flawed.
Those two don’t matter, it’s the perception Jordie that’s the issue. It’s like Foster had never seen him play.
I should have finish the bold before those two.
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@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nepia Well, Jordan had never played a test, and I don't think Sevu was in as good a form last year as this.
So, experience and having a good Super season.
At the time, I thought it wasn't a bad plan given we'd had no warm up AB games.
History showing it was pretty flawed.
Those two don’t matter, it’s the perception Jordie that’s the issue. It’s like Foster had never seen him play.
I should have finish the bold before those two.
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@nepia He does seem a bit like one of those Persian carpets - compulsory to have a flaw in every game!
Hopefully he's getting over it.
I'm still puzzled by where the loosies should play, Savea in particular, their versatility gets in the way of working out the best combos.
7/8(6?) Ardie and possibly Paps
6/8 or 8/6 Jacobson Ioane and possibly Blackadder (sure he's been there at 7 but I think that is his weakest and the most competitive position). Sotutu will only be selected at 8 so probably goes down the Foster ranking system.
If Cane returns (and as ex AB captain probably has some pull for Foster) he is also a 7/6 and I think may have played/temped as 8.Seems to me
6AIoane/Blackadder
7 Savea*/Paps
8 Jacobson/Savea*/Sotutu
are the likely rankings against the Boks so that means AIoane Savea Jacobson with probably Paps or Blackadder riding the pine.Gee, not that much between them.
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I'm still puzzled by where the loosies should play, Savea in particular, their versatility gets in the way of working out the best combos.
7/8(6?) Ardie and possibly Paps
6/8 or 8/6 Jacobson Ioane and possibly Blackadder (sure he's been there at 7 but I think that is his weakest and the most competitive position). Sotutu will only be selected at 8 so probably goes down the Foster ranking system.
If Cane returns (and as ex AB captain probably has some pull for Foster) he is also a 7/6 and I think may have played/temped as 8.Seems to me
6AIoane/Blackadder
7 Savea*/Paps
8 Jacobson/Savea*/Sotutu
are the likely rankings against the Boks so that means AIoane Savea Jacobson with probably Paps or Blackadder riding the pine.Gee, not that much between them.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
I'm still puzzled by where the loosies should play, Savea in particular, their versatility gets in the way of working out the best combos.
7/8(6?) Ardie and possibly Paps
6/8 or 8/6 Jacobson Ioane and possibly Blackadder (sure he's been there at 7 but I think that is his weakest and the most competitive position). Sotutu will only be selected at 8 so probably goes down the Foster ranking system.
If Cane returns (and as ex AB captain probably has some pull for Foster) he is also a 7/6 and I think may have played/temped as 8.Seems to me
6AIoane/Blackadder
7 Savea*/Paps
8 Jacobson/Savea*/Sotutu
are the likely rankings against the Boks so that means AIoane Savea Jacobson with probably Paps or Blackadder riding the pine.Gee, not that much between them.
All being fit, I like Ioane at 6, Cane at 7 and Jacobson at 8 to start.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
I'm still puzzled by where the loosies should play, Savea in particular, their versatility gets in the way of working out the best combos.
7/8(6?) Ardie and possibly Paps
6/8 or 8/6 Jacobson Ioane and possibly Blackadder (sure he's been there at 7 but I think that is his weakest and the most competitive position). Sotutu will only be selected at 8 so probably goes down the Foster ranking system.
If Cane returns (and as ex AB captain probably has some pull for Foster) he is also a 7/6 and I think may have played/temped as 8.Seems to me
6AIoane/Blackadder
7 Savea*/Paps
8 Jacobson/Savea*/Sotutu
are the likely rankings against the Boks so that means AIoane Savea Jacobson with probably Paps or Blackadder riding the pine.Gee, not that much between them.
All being fit, I like Ioane at 6, Cane at 7 and Jacobson at 8 to start.
@voodoo For this weekend I think I'd prefer to see Aoane, Paps, Ardie. Ardie and Paps to go absolutely nuts, whoever is more knackered gets to come off and have Jacobson come on to run through the exhausted boks and put that shoulder into some already struggling diaphragms.
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@voodoo For this weekend I think I'd prefer to see Aoane, Paps, Ardie. Ardie and Paps to go absolutely nuts, whoever is more knackered gets to come off and have Jacobson come on to run through the exhausted boks and put that shoulder into some already struggling diaphragms.
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@voodoo For this weekend I think I'd prefer to see Aoane, Paps, Ardie. Ardie and Paps to go absolutely nuts, whoever is more knackered gets to come off and have Jacobson come on to run through the exhausted boks and put that shoulder into some already struggling diaphragms.
Yep, I likes that. My back row was a fast forward to the whole squad being fit, Cane back and firing etc. I really like Jacobson though, and whilst I feel for Ardie, it just feels like his best number has double digits (no #12 jokes please...)
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I will admit to not being sufficiently compos mentis to properly register this game live.
Mrs Boo and I may have had a couple of quiets prior to kick off in the Wobs v Bok game ... so I may have been slightly behind the 8 ball come kick off on the main game.
Anyways, watching a replay now.
Super impressed at 27 mins and 17-3.
Struggling to pick holes in anyone's game so far, including Blackadder. The latter remains at least 6th choice looseforward to my mind, maybe lower, but still an awesome 6th, 7th or 8th choice....
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I will admit to not being sufficiently compos mentis to properly register this game live.
Mrs Boo and I may have had a couple of quiets prior to kick off in the Wobs v Bok game ... so I may have been slightly behind the 8 ball come kick off on the main game.
Anyways, watching a replay now.
Super impressed at 27 mins and 17-3.
Struggling to pick holes in anyone's game so far, including Blackadder. The latter remains at least 6th choice looseforward to my mind, maybe lower, but still an awesome 6th, 7th or 8th choice....
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
I will admit to not being sufficiently compos mentis to properly register this game live.
Mrs Boo and I may have had a couple of quiets prior to kick off in the Wobs v Bok game ... so I may have been slightly behind the 8 ball come kick off on the main game.
Anyways, watching a replay now.
Super impressed at 27 mins and 17-3.
Struggling to pick holes in anyone's game so far, including Blackadder. The latter remains at least 6th choice looseforward to my mind, maybe lower, but still an awesome 6th, 7th or 8th choice....
Depth showcased
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I will admit to not being sufficiently compos mentis to properly register this game live.
Mrs Boo and I may have had a couple of quiets prior to kick off in the Wobs v Bok game ... so I may have been slightly behind the 8 ball come kick off on the main game.
Anyways, watching a replay now.
Super impressed at 27 mins and 17-3.
Struggling to pick holes in anyone's game so far, including Blackadder. The latter remains at least 6th choice looseforward to my mind, maybe lower, but still an awesome 6th, 7th or 8th choice....
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
I will admit to not being sufficiently compos mentis to properly register this game live.
Mrs Boo and I may have had a couple of quiets prior to kick off in the Wobs v Bok game ... so I may have been slightly behind the 8 ball come kick off on the main game.
Anyways, watching a replay now.
Super impressed at 27 mins and 17-3.
Struggling to pick holes in anyone's game so far, including Blackadder. The latter remains at least 6th choice looseforward to my mind, maybe lower, but still an awesome 6th, 7th or 8th choice....
I feel like this should be my tag line, no need for further elaboration
