All Blacks vs Springboks I
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@machpants have we seen RI on the right before? surely they wont try something completely new, i know theyre not having a good run but its still the boks
Fiji in Hamilton when he replaced Jordan.
@bovidae ok, at least not completely new if it does happen
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Hard to know exactly what South African team will front up ,
While the media are acting like the results against Australia are a shock , The reality is normality has resumed ,
They may have won the same amount of world cups as us , but outside that , have been a pretty hot and cold team in reality , I think they enjoy getting themselves up for a window like a World Cup but struggle maintaining consistency for extended periods
Yes it has, this is par for the course for them when playing in Aus.
The game moves towards the springboks style of play in world cups.
Set piece focus, big defence, kicking comes more into importance and the game is slower as a result as teams play more risk free rugby the higher the stakes.
It’s why Japan can beat them and a few weeks later they nearly beat the best AB RWC side ever.
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I am more worried about the ABs discipline than the SA bombs. If the ABs are penalised in their own half, this would lead to kicks into touch near their goal line. Remember the first test against the Aussie when the SA scored three tries after rolling mauls. This is the aspect of the game where they are the most threatening IMO. We could see the same scenario as the AB forwards are not very good in defending mauls, with the notable exception of Brodie Retallick.
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I am more worried about the ABs discipline than the SA bombs. If the ABs are penalised in their own half, this would lead to kicks into touch near their goal line. Remember the first test against the Aussie when the SA scored three tries after rolling mauls. This is the aspect of the game where they are the most threatening IMO. We could see the same scenario as the AB forwards are not very good in defending mauls, with the notable exception of Brodie Retallick.
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
I am more worried about the ABs discipline than the SA bombs. If the ABs are penalised in their own half, this would lead to kicks into touch near their goal line. Remember the first test against the Aussie when the SA scored three tries after rolling mauls. This is the aspect of the game where they are the most threatening IMO. We could see the same scenario as the AB forwards are not very good in defending mauls, with the notable exception of Brodie Retallick.
and possibly Sotutu and Blackadder..and Samsoni would add some considerable ballast.
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Expect Kapa o Pango to be the haka against the Boks ... why else would they post this?
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@duluth said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
The ultimate kiss of death right there. Someone tell Laurie that the game is past his bed time and he’s not allowed to watch.
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@tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@chris-b
$3.50
To be honest, I thought they might be further out than that.
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@chris-b
$3.50
To be honest, I thought they might be further out than that.
In a two horse race that has a proud nation like South Africa, 100th test (?) and [insert any name] reffing, those are still very long odds.
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Expect Kapa o Pango to be the haka against the Boks ... why else would they post this?
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Expect Kapa o Pango to be the haka against the Boks ... why else would they post this?
I was in temple walkabout in london for this game, 9am and a few hundred people went nuts when they did something different, was awesome
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@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@chris-b
$3.50
To be honest, I thought they might be further out than that.
In a two horse race that has a proud nation like South Africa, 100th test (?) and [insert any name] reffing, those are still very long odds.
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@chris-b
$3.50
To be honest, I thought they might be further out than that.
In a two horse race that has a proud nation like South Africa, 100th test (?) and [insert any name] reffing, those are still very long odds.
What happened to, "It's only South Africa?"
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Those odds are nuts, but they are correct if we play like have last few weeks and SA play like they did against Australia.
As others have pointed out, discipline is key as is trying the flash stuff at the right time.
The Bok defence, which I earlier this year called the best I'd ever seen, was really found wanting this week. Australia played well, but they managed to find gaps all over the show which just weren't there previously. I think we can be fairly sure they'll drop back to their crimes against rugby style for at least the first half this week, and our job will be to try and keep possession and territory more than anything. We know there will be bombs, box kicks, wipers kicks and should ensure our team selection covers that.
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Yes it has, this is par for the course for them when playing in Aus.
The game moves towards the springboks style of play in world cups.
Set piece focus, big defence, kicking comes more into importance and the game is slower as a result as teams play more risk free rugby the higher the stakes.
It’s why Japan can beat them and a few weeks later they nearly beat the best AB RWC side ever.
@dagrubster said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Yes it has, this is par for the course for them when playing in Aus.
The game moves towards the springboks style of play in world cups.
Set piece focus, big defence, kicking comes more into importance and the game is slower as a result as teams play more risk free rugby the higher the stakes.
It’s why Japan can beat them and a few weeks later they nearly beat the best AB RWC side ever.
mmm…they made 8 changes to the starting lineup from the team that played Japan to the one that played us in the semi. So I’d say those results were down to personnel especially when their first choice 9/10 (du Preez and Pollard) didn’t play Japan.
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@themojoman said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
After last night who is everyone picking as our best XV to take on S.A?
This is the team I think Fozzie will select from what we’ve seen so far. I haven’t picked Leinert-Brown due to not being match fit and also uncertain of the status of his injury.
- Moody
- Taylor
- Laulaula
- Rettalick
- Barrett
- Ioane
- Papali’i
- Savea (c)
- Perenara
- Barrett
- Bridge
- Havili
- Ioane
- Reece
- Barrett
- Taukei'aho
- Bower
- Tu’ungafasi
- Vaa’i
- Jacobson
- Weber
- McKenzie
- Jordan
Only change I'd have is Jordan for Bridge. I just think Jordan's positioning (why he keeps scoring tries and making breaks) is better than Bridge at the moment. IMO Bridge still hasn't regained his form from pre-injury. He seems to spend alot of time trying to run over people and cutting back infield, like he doesn't trust his top end speed? His aerial game particularly on defence continues to be top notch.
Article on the Ferald saying that we could see Ioane on the right, Bridge on the left 'cos of high ball
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@themojoman said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canes4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
After last night who is everyone picking as our best XV to take on S.A?
This is the team I think Fozzie will select from what we’ve seen so far. I haven’t picked Leinert-Brown due to not being match fit and also uncertain of the status of his injury.
- Moody
- Taylor
- Laulaula
- Rettalick
- Barrett
- Ioane
- Papali’i
- Savea (c)
- Perenara
- Barrett
- Bridge
- Havili
- Ioane
- Reece
- Barrett
- Taukei'aho
- Bower
- Tu’ungafasi
- Vaa’i
- Jacobson
- Weber
- McKenzie
- Jordan
Only change I'd have is Jordan for Bridge. I just think Jordan's positioning (why he keeps scoring tries and making breaks) is better than Bridge at the moment. IMO Bridge still hasn't regained his form from pre-injury. He seems to spend alot of time trying to run over people and cutting back infield, like he doesn't trust his top end speed? His aerial game particularly on defence continues to be top notch.
Article on the Ferald saying that we could see Ioane on the right, Bridge on the left 'cos of high ball
No wonder we are the world #1 again, we are tactical geniuses!!! The stupid big okes from SA will never think to kick to the other wing!!!
This game is as good as won already
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@chris-b
$3.50
To be honest, I thought they might be further out than that.
In a two horse race that has a proud nation like South Africa, 100th test (?) and [insert any name] reffing, those are still very long odds.
What happened to, "It's only South Africa?"
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@chris-b
$3.50
To be honest, I thought they might be further out than that.
In a two horse race that has a proud nation like South Africa, 100th test (?) and [insert any name] reffing, those are still very long odds.
What happened to, "It's only South Africa?"
I agree
But you’d have to go back a long time that the Boks were paying $3.50 in a test match.
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Expect Kapa o Pango to be the haka against the Boks ... why else would they post this?
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Expect Kapa o Pango to be the haka against the Boks ... why else would they post this?
They also haven't done it so far this season.
Just quietly BBBR has a really good record against SA.
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Expect Kapa o Pango to be the haka against the Boks ... why else would they post this?
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Expect Kapa o Pango to be the haka against the Boks ... why else would they post this?
Because the social media person is looking to generate some interest.
It’s a long week and with not much happening before the team is announced, they dig up some old times.
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Sadly this test should be in NZ. PSdT said the Bok players are away from friends and family since June. We'll if this test don't motivate them then nothing will. Would like to see a change in personal like Frans & Morne Steyn who has been there, done that
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Would prefer Rioane on left, GB on right if we had to have the latter
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Yes it has, this is par for the course for them when playing in Aus.
The game moves towards the springboks style of play in world cups.
Set piece focus, big defence, kicking comes more into importance and the game is slower as a result as teams play more risk free rugby the higher the stakes.
It’s why Japan can beat them and a few weeks later they nearly beat the best AB RWC side ever.
@dagrubster said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Yes it has, this is par for the course for them when playing in Aus.
The game moves towards the springboks style of play in world cups.
Set piece focus, big defence, kicking comes more into importance and the game is slower as a result as teams play more risk free rugby the higher the stakes.
It’s why Japan can beat them and a few weeks later they nearly beat the best AB RWC side ever.
"Got close on the scoreboard"
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Would prefer Rioane on left, GB on right if we had to have the latter
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Would prefer Rioane on left, GB on right if we had to have the latter
Definitely prefer RI on the left
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Those odds are nuts, but they are correct if we play like have last few weeks and SA play like they did against Australia.
As others have pointed out, discipline is key as is trying the flash stuff at the right time.
The Bok defence, which I earlier this year called the best I'd ever seen, was really found wanting this week. Australia played well, but they managed to find gaps all over the show which just weren't there previously. I think we can be fairly sure they'll drop back to their crimes against rugby style for at least the first half this week, and our job will be to try and keep possession and territory more than anything. We know there will be bombs, box kicks, wipers kicks and should ensure our team selection covers that.
@majorrage said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Those odds are nuts, but they are correct if we play like have last few weeks and SA play like they did against Australia.
The fitness is the big thing they can't change in a week. SA didnt' look able to cope with the pace of the game, and if they can't slow it down, that's going to cost them.
Should be titanic. I can't wait.
https://sarugbystats.co.za/south-africa-vs-new-zealand/ has NZ with 59 wins, SA 36 and 4 draws. Way more one sided than it used to be -- in the pro era it was 41-15-1 to NZ.
