All Blacks vs Springboks II
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Pretty certain we will see Ardie, LJ and Akira start with either Blackadder or Paps on bench. Papas if fit would be my guess.
These games are about building squad experience and depth. That also means giving players like Akira a chance to prove he can learn. -
Savea didn't play in the first game against Arg (concussion in Perth) and Ioane was rested in the second Arg test. They have been managing player workload in these 5 tests. There will be a 3 week break until the USA test, when most of the B team will play. So what I am saying is that Foster and Plumtree can pick their best 23.
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Savea didn't play in the first game against Arg (concussion in Perth) and Ioane was rested in the second Arg test. They have been managing player workload in these 5 tests. There will be a 3 week break until the USA test, when most of the B team will play. So what I am saying is that Foster and Plumtree can pick their best 23.
@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Savea didn't play in the first game against Arg (concussion in Perth) and Ioane was rested in the second Arg test. They have been managing player workload in these 5 tests. There will be a 3 week break until the USA test, when most of the B team will play. So what I am saying is that Foster and Plumtree can pick their best 23.
Strongest team available.
It is the bigger, stronger, faster [cue the Olympics music] Boks we are playing after all.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Savea didn't play in the first game against Arg (concussion in Perth) and Ioane was rested in the second Arg test. They have been managing player workload in these 5 tests. There will be a 3 week break until the USA test, when most of the B team will play. So what I am saying is that Foster and Plumtree can pick their best 23.
Strongest team available.
It is the bigger, stronger, faster [cue the Olympics music] Boks we are playing after all.
@act-crusader are they more or less kicky this week...can they be more kicky?
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@act-crusader are they more or less kicky this week...can they be more kicky?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@act-crusader are they more or less kicky this week...can they be more kicky?
I'm not sure they can make a dramatic change? They played this way against the Wallabies too didn't they? If so I don't think they have the confidence or the required level of desperation to change
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@act-crusader are they more or less kicky this week...can they be more kicky?
I'm not sure they can make a dramatic change? They played this way against the Wallabies too didn't they? If so I don't think they have the confidence or the required level of desperation to change
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@act-crusader are they more or less kicky this week...can they be more kicky?
I'm not sure they can make a dramatic change? They played this way against the Wallabies too didn't they? If so I don't think they have the confidence or the required level of desperation to change
if they play more open suddenly this week we will absolutely murder them
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says to me they'll be sticking with the same gameplan
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says to me they'll be sticking with the same gameplan
@kiwiwomble I'd expect nothing less. They have backed themselves into a corner
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Savea didn't play in the first game against Arg (concussion in Perth) and Ioane was rested in the second Arg test. They have been managing player workload in these 5 tests. There will be a 3 week break until the USA test, when most of the B team will play. So what I am saying is that Foster and Plumtree can pick their best 23.
@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Savea didn't play in the first game against Arg (concussion in Perth) and Ioane was rested in the second Arg test. They have been managing player workload in these 5 tests. There will be a 3 week break until the USA test, when most of the B team will play. So what I am saying is that Foster and Plumtree can pick their best 23.
Yep agree we would want to play our best against the best (World Champs) roll out the B team for the US of A
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@kiwiwomble i think with Reiko as the back up 13, ALB can go to 12, plus they loves them some Dmac so that's why Mounga comes in for Quinn for me.
I think Paps will be more suited to a tight forward battle, while Ethan played well, I think Paps plays with a shade more size, even though I don't think there is much between them.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kiwiwomble i think with Reiko as the back up 13, ALB can go to 12, plus they loves them some Dmac so that's why Mounga comes in for Quinn for me.
I think Paps will be more suited to a tight forward battle, while Ethan played well, I think Paps plays with a shade more size, even though I don't think there is much between them.
Could we have a TSF script that changes all Reiko to Rieko? So many people write both Reiko and Rieko I can never remember past a day the correct spelling, I have to keep checking ... probably time for the old folks home, just can't afford it right now.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/hes-fast-now-the-reason-behind-rieko-ioanes-all-blacks-re-birth/
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kiwiwomble i think with Reiko as the back up 13, ALB can go to 12, plus they loves them some Dmac so that's why Mounga comes in for Quinn for me.
I think Paps will be more suited to a tight forward battle, while Ethan played well, I think Paps plays with a shade more size, even though I don't think there is much between them.
Could we have a TSF script that changes all Reiko to Rieko? So many people write both Reiko and Rieko I can never remember past a day the correct spelling, I have to keep checking ... probably time for the old folks home, just can't afford it right now.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/hes-fast-now-the-reason-behind-rieko-ioanes-all-blacks-re-birth/
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kiwiwomble i think with Reiko as the back up 13, ALB can go to 12, plus they loves them some Dmac so that's why Mounga comes in for Quinn for me.
I think Paps will be more suited to a tight forward battle, while Ethan played well, I think Paps plays with a shade more size, even though I don't think there is much between them.
Could we have a TSF script that changes all Reiko to Rieko? So many people write both Reiko and Rieko I can never remember past a day the correct spelling, I have to keep checking ... probably time for the old folks home, just can't afford it right now.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/hes-fast-now-the-reason-behind-rieko-ioanes-all-blacks-re-birth/
If I had to make a list of my favourite recent All Blacks Ciaran Reid would be right on top. Shit he was good.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kiwiwomble i think with Reiko as the back up 13, ALB can go to 12, plus they loves them some Dmac so that's why Mounga comes in for Quinn for me.
I think Paps will be more suited to a tight forward battle, while Ethan played well, I think Paps plays with a shade more size, even though I don't think there is much between them.
Could we have a TSF script that changes all Reiko to Rieko? So many people write both Reiko and Rieko I can never remember past a day the correct spelling, I have to keep checking ... probably time for the old folks home, just can't afford it right now.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/hes-fast-now-the-reason-behind-rieko-ioanes-all-blacks-re-birth/
If I had to make a list of my favourite recent All Blacks Ciaran Reid would be right on top. Shit he was good.
@mn5 aargh!
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kiwiwomble i think with Reiko as the back up 13, ALB can go to 12, plus they loves them some Dmac so that's why Mounga comes in for Quinn for me.
I think Paps will be more suited to a tight forward battle, while Ethan played well, I think Paps plays with a shade more size, even though I don't think there is much between them.
Could we have a TSF script that changes all Reiko to Rieko? So many people write both Reiko and Rieko I can never remember past a day the correct spelling, I have to keep checking ... probably time for the old folks home, just can't afford it right now.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/hes-fast-now-the-reason-behind-rieko-ioanes-all-blacks-re-birth/
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@nostrildamus You know that old saying, "I before E except after C". Works for me.
@bovidae didn't know that was a staple of Japanese grammar...
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fuck i love All Black fans
Not 7 days ago this site was awash with how good the selecting was, how maybe we needed to come around on Fozzie based on the improvement in play, and in players, and the new depth we had created
A week later, after a game we fucking won, and it's "get rid of the guy who last week was the long term answer at 6" and "oh we all knew this was coming with Foster he's shit"
We are fucking insufferable. Well, not me, mainly yous
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
fuck i love All Black fans
Not 7 days ago this site was awash with how good the selecting was, how maybe we needed to come around on Fozzie based on the improvement in play, and in players, and the new depth we had created
A week later, after a game we fucking won, and it's "get rid of the guy who last week was the long term answer at 6" and "oh we all knew this was coming with Foster he's shit"
We are fucking insufferable. Well, not me, mainly yous
Not me. I was not happy with TJP and said so before the game. I would have preferred Weber.
I have never rated Beauden Barrett as a #10 -- so many of our worst games are when he plays there. Not a lot of point going on about it when Mo'unga wasn't available. But I did state that I thought he would be poor.
I have never, ever rated Bridge.
I generally come to TSF to discuss rugby, not to get into arguments. I don't rate Reiko at centre, because he is a great winger wasted as a midfielder. But I don't get involved in that discussion here though, because it just leads to flame wars. And there weren't a lot of options again. I have also stayed out of the Akira Ioane discussions.
I doubt I'm the only one here who doesn't express a contrary opinion because it isn't worth taking on the white knighters. That shouldn't be taken as endorsement.
But my hostility to Foster remains undiminished. Even when he appears to be doing well, I live in the full expectation that he will fuck it up.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kiwiwomble i think with Reiko as the back up 13, ALB can go to 12, plus they loves them some Dmac so that's why Mounga comes in for Quinn for me.
I think Paps will be more suited to a tight forward battle, while Ethan played well, I think Paps plays with a shade more size, even though I don't think there is much between them.
Could we have a TSF script that changes all Reiko to Rieko? So many people write both Reiko and Rieko I can never remember past a day the correct spelling, I have to keep checking ... probably time for the old folks home, just can't afford it right now.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/hes-fast-now-the-reason-behind-rieko-ioanes-all-blacks-re-birth/
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kiwiwomble i think with Reiko as the back up 13, ALB can go to 12, plus they loves them some Dmac so that's why Mounga comes in for Quinn for me.
I think Paps will be more suited to a tight forward battle, while Ethan played well, I think Paps plays with a shade more size, even though I don't think there is much between them.
Could we have a TSF script that changes all Reiko to Rieko? So many people write both Reiko and Rieko I can never remember past a day the correct spelling, I have to keep checking ... probably time for the old folks home, just can't afford it right now.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/hes-fast-now-the-reason-behind-rieko-ioanes-all-blacks-re-birth/
Webber to Weber too.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@act-crusader are they more or less kicky this week...can they be more kicky?
I'm not sure they can make a dramatic change? They played this way against the Wallabies too didn't they? If so I don't think they have the confidence or the required level of desperation to change
if they play more open suddenly this week we will absolutely murder them
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
if they play more open suddenly this week we will absolutely murder them
Exactly this. There is no way the Boks are going to do anything different in approach. They will be focusing on improving decision making and execution when cracks appear, tackling execution and discipline. In their view, their approach held the ABs to 1 try, 23 turnovers and ultimately a 78 minute penalty to win the game. Boks conceded 16 penalties to 10 and threw 65 passes compared to 141 from ABs. Despite this, territory largely equal. They will be saying - “where did the ABs passing get them, except producing turnovers. Let’s keep the pressure on.” The Boks like to play without the ball. They don’t give a shit about entertainment - only what works. If they can cut the penalty count, on that alone, they will believe they will be there or there about come the final 15mins.
Personally I don’t think they have the gas in the tank for this, but let’s see….
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
fuck i love All Black fans
Not 7 days ago this site was awash with how good the selecting was, how maybe we needed to come around on Fozzie based on the improvement in play, and in players, and the new depth we had created
A week later, after a game we fucking won, and it's "get rid of the guy who last week was the long term answer at 6" and "oh we all knew this was coming with Foster he's shit"
We are fucking insufferable. Well, not me, mainly yous
Not me. I was not happy with TJP and said so before the game. I would have preferred Weber.
I have never rated Beauden Barrett as a #10 -- so many of our worst games are when he plays there. Not a lot of point going on about it when Mo'unga wasn't available. But I did state that I thought he would be poor.
I have never, ever rated Bridge.
I generally come to TSF to discuss rugby, not to get into arguments. I don't rate Reiko at centre, because he is a great winger wasted as a midfielder. But I don't get involved in that discussion here though, because it just leads to flame wars. And there weren't a lot of options again. I have also stayed out of the Akira Ioane discussions.
I doubt I'm the only one here who doesn't express a contrary opinion because it isn't worth taking on the white knighters. That shouldn't be taken as endorsement.
But my hostility to Foster remains undiminished. Even when he appears to be doing well, I live in the full expectation that he will fuck it up.
@chester-draws said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
fuck i love All Black fans
Not 7 days ago this site was awash with how good the selecting was, how maybe we needed to come around on Fozzie based on the improvement in play, and in players, and the new depth we had created
A week later, after a game we fucking won, and it's "get rid of the guy who last week was the long term answer at 6" and "oh we all knew this was coming with Foster he's shit"
We are fucking insufferable. Well, not me, mainly yous
Not me. I was not happy with TJP and said so before the game. I would have preferred Weber.
I have never rated Beauden Barrett as a #10 -- so many of our worst games are when he plays there. Not a lot of point going on about it when Mo'unga wasn't available. But I did state that I thought he would be poor.
I have never, ever rated Bridge.
I generally come to TSF to discuss rugby, not to get into arguments. I don't rate Reiko at centre, because he is a great winger wasted as a midfielder. But I don't get involved in that discussion here though, because it just leads to flame wars. And there weren't a lot of options again. I have also stayed out of the Akira Ioane discussions.
I doubt I'm the only one here who doesn't express a contrary opinion because it isn't worth taking on the white knighters. That shouldn't be taken as endorsement.
But my hostility to Foster remains undiminished. Even when he appears to be doing well, I live in the full expectation that he will fuck it up.
Not sure too many would argue that point.
But with no ALB he's the best option.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
if they play more open suddenly this week we will absolutely murder them
Exactly this. There is no way the Boks are going to do anything different in approach. They will be focusing on improving decision making and execution when cracks appear, tackling execution and discipline. In their view, their approach held the ABs to 1 try, 23 turnovers and ultimately a 78 minute penalty to win the game. Boks conceded 16 penalties to 10 and threw 65 passes compared to 141 from ABs. Despite this, territory largely equal. They will be saying - “where did the ABs passing get them, except producing turnovers. Let’s keep the pressure on.” The Boks like to play without the ball. They don’t give a shit about entertainment - only what works. If they can cut the penalty count, on that alone, they will believe they will be there or there about come the final 15mins.
Personally I don’t think they have the gas in the tank for this, but let’s see….
@jr_ said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
if they play more open suddenly this week we will absolutely murder them
Exactly this. There is no way the Boks are going to do anything different in approach. They will be focusing on improving decision making and execution when cracks appear, tackling execution and discipline. In their view, their approach held the ABs to 1 try, 23 turnovers and ultimately a 78 minute penalty to win the game. Boks conceded 16 penalties to 10 and threw 65 passes compared to 141 from ABs. Despite this, territory largely equal. They will be saying - “where did the ABs passing get them, except producing turnovers. Let’s keep the pressure on.” The Boks like to play without the ball. They don’t give a shit about entertainment - only what works. If they can cut the penalty count, on that alone, they will believe they will be there or there about come the final 15mins.
Personally I don’t think they have the gas in the tank for this, but let’s see….
From my pov if the ABs cut out the handling errors that alone will add 10-12 points.
There are other improvements available to them by the above is the big one under their control.
Not sure what the Boks can do better. Except not kick for 50/50 options quite so often. Hold the ball for some 60/40s maybe.
