Too horrific for words - Moko Rangitoheriri case
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<p>Everything about this case makes me want to vomit, not least of which that these two sacks of shit have been allowed to plead guilty to manslaughter, like the man's fucking cousin who did the same fucking thing.</p>
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<p>How reassuring to know WINZ and the police are still as fucking useless as ever when it comes to coordinating services. Eight interventions and the babies are still in the house? Disgusting.</p>
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<p>One of the biggest downsides of the government cutting funding to Crown Law (the private law firms who prosecute high end cases on behalf of the Police/public) is that there has been massive restructuring within these firms, leading to staff being cut and them having to run the same amount of cases on less than half of the budget they previously had. </p>
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<p>This has lead to enormous pressure being put on them and the Police to resolve cases prior to court, because jury trials are viewed as lengthy, costly and often rolling the dice as to whether or not a guilty result will be obtained. The huge downside to this is that defence lawyers generally know this and suggest ridiculous resolutions (such as the one above). This is most often seen in drug dealing and violence cases though, not murders and certainly not child abuse.</p>
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<p>I'm still scratching my head as to how the manslaughter pleas got accepted by the Crown/Police though. Absolutely disgusting</p> -
<p>And you may be right. You'd know a lot more about this stuff than I, I've just been involved with isolated incidents, which I've found quite eye-opening. Having had one mate accused falsely of rape growing up, and another of domestic violence (where I witnessed the whole thing) has made me wary of holding any view on domestic situations.</p>
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<p>The whole thing is now just he-said vs she-said, with various claims from one vs various claims from the other. I don't know why Veitch wrote his article, maybe he was asked to? He fucked up in a massive massive way, and by doing that he's undoubtedly a grade-a shitbag, but we either live in a society that allows criminals to reform, or we don't.</p> -
With Veitch, people sometimes ask a version of 'how long must he be punished for/what about second chances?' Etc. <br><br>
And for a while I was okay with him being back on the radio, and Liked his Facebook page for a while. But there's a point where someone just has to say "It was very wrong and I'm very sorry" whenever a matter like that is raised and otherwise say very little about it. <br><br>
Not, as a parody post I saw the other day put it: several pages of "me me me me me me me me"... "Signed, Me" -
<p>I do hear what MR is saying, I think the whole odious nature of Veich is how in all his public apology bullshit he seems to weasel in with some sickening comment of how tough it's been for him and his career. Boo fucken hoo you fluffybunny, anyone who has 150K to throw at someone certainly doesn't get one ounce of sympathy from me and you can be assured he'll be on some big bucks in the gig he's doing now.</p>
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<p>And you may be right. You'd know a lot more about this stuff than I, I've just been involved with isolated incidents, which I've found quite eye-opening. Having had one mate accused falsely of rape growing up, and another of domestic violence (where I witnessed the whole thing) has made me wary of holding any view on domestic situations.</p>
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<p>The whole thing is now just he-said vs she-said, with various claims from one vs various claims from the other. I don't know why Veitch wrote his article, maybe he was asked to? He fucked up in a massive massive way, and by doing that he's undoubtedly a grade-a shitbag, but we either live in a society that allows criminals to reform, or we don't.</p>
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<p>Absolutely I agree. I have more than my fair share of mates who have had crazy ex's and I'm certainly not one to wholeheartedly believe a baseless allegation, but often the nature of intimate partner violence is that it happens behind closed doors and there is obviously the feeling and emotions involved that stop people coming forward at the time. </p>
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<p>I look at the allegations leveled against Shaun Kenny Dowell as one of the things where the he said/she said system crucifies the guy. She was found out in court as having tried to get a heap of money out of the Roosters etc to not lay complaints and seemingly rightly so, the charges were dismissed, given there was no independent evidence of violence. </p>
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<p>However, when someone's back gets broken, it kinda blows the he said/she said thing out of the water. I would be very surprised if his ex partner thought "I've got him against the ropes, now I can make up whatever I like and the Police will buy it" because surely you'd come up with something more juicy than what was in the Police file?</p>
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<p>I was neither here nor there on him coming back into the public spotlight. I'm a believer in people's chance to rehabilitate and believe they should be given that opportunity. But when he uses that platform as a star to make self serving statements about his own innocence or guilt and to continue to make subtle digs at his ex, I think he crosses the line and he should be sent back to his plan B job, whatever that is. </p> -
<p>Speaking of leaguies I remember that horrible case of three young guys kicking some pregnant chick and trying to make her abort ???? I do like league but can't remember the names.....</p>
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<p>Frank Endacott did himself no favours in the "I'm not a fuckwit" stakes by coming out in the news and saying they were all "really good lads who'd made a bit of a mistake". Fuck sake....</p> -
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Speaking of leaguies I remember that horrible case of three young guys kicking some pregnant chick and trying to make her abort ???? I do like league but can't remember the names.....<br><br>
Frank Endacott did himself no favours in the "I'm not a fuckwit" stakes by coming out in the news and saying they were all "really good lads who'd made a bit of a mistake". Fuck sake....</p></blockquote>
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Shaun Metcalf , there was thread about him when he tried to come back to the Warriors . It wasn't just Endacott saying that either, Selwyn Pearce said some stupid shit too. Metcalf should have got a life ban , the only reason they did that to the girl was because he didn't want a baby getting in the way of his league career . -
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<p>Shaun Metcalf , there was thread about him when he tried to come back to the Warriors . It wasn't just Endacott saying that either, Selwyn Pearce said some stupid shit too. Metcalf should have got a life ban , the only reason they did that to the girl was because he didn't want a baby getting in the way of his league career .</p>
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<p>Yeah that's him, thought someone would remember. Ah well, Russell Packer beats the shit out of someone and comes back to first grade, no harm, no foul. Morons playing, and running, "our game".</p> -
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I sent an email to Pearson when it happened, basically saying how disappointed I was in the punishment and his comments regarding the case.<br><br>
To his credit I got a very lengthy reply back within 24 hours, but most of it was bulshit.</p></blockquote>
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<p>One of the biggest downsides of the government cutting funding to Crown Law (the private law firms who prosecute high end cases on behalf of the Police/public) is that there has been massive restructuring within these firms, leading to staff being cut and them having to run the same amount of cases on less than half of the budget they previously had. </p>
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<p>This has lead to enormous pressure being put on them and the Police to resolve cases prior to court, because jury trials are viewed as lengthy, costly and often rolling the dice as to whether or not a guilty result will be obtained. The huge downside to this is that defence lawyers generally know this and suggest ridiculous resolutions (such as the one above). This is most often seen in drug dealing and violence cases though, not murders and certainly not child abuse.</p>
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<p>I'm still scratching my head as to how the manslaughter pleas got accepted by the Crown/Police though. Absolutely disgusting</p>
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<p>Believe it or not, the legislative definitions of culpable homicide, manslaughter and murder are basically the same as in the Criminal Code Act 1893 and Crimes Act 1908 - we haven't seriously updated what murder is in over 120 years other than removing the partial defence of provocation (which reduced the offence to manslaughter).</p>
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<p>Not to justify the plea bargain, but actually getting a conviction for murder in the pattern of abuse cases seems to be really hard e.g. Delcilia Wittika. I can see, given the outcomes of previous similar cases, why they would take a definite conviction for manslaughter if that's the likely outcome anyway.</p>
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<p>Given the age of our laws around culpable homicide, it might be time for an update to take these types of cases into account...</p> -
Did anyone watch the interview with the mother last night? I didn't as I don't think I could have stomached it (and I didn't want to risk throwing something at my mrs's tv). I did take one look at her facial tattoos and think some pretty harsh things, was I being too judgy?
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rembrandt" data-cid="580232" data-time="1463430358"><p>Did anyone watch the interview with the mother last night? I didn't as I don't think I could have stomached it (and I didn't want to risk throwing something at my mrs's tv). I did take one look at her facial tattoos and think some pretty harsh things, was I being too judgy?</p></blockquote>
I thought the same but it turns out she scribbled on her face after her kid was killed as some kind of self harm. -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Rembrandt" data-cid="580241" data-time="1463434366">
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<p>Definitely too judgy then.</p>
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<p>I doubt many people would look at someone with facial tats and not make some kind of judgment.</p>
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<p>There is a programme on TV (no idea what channel) that Mrs TR watches (I listen and then catch the odd snippet while doing the dishes) hosted by that English women that had acid chucked on her face, and is about people that are correcting things on their body and then some that are gonna do things to their bodies...some of the reasoning is just odd.</p> -
<p>I didn't watch the news thing, but how did the kid come to be in the care of the two who killed him? Were they CYFS foster parents or was it just an informal kind of arrangement?</p>
