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@rancid-schnitzel said in Movie review thread...:
Yep. Was really good. Makes the other Joker performances (including Ledger) look like campy shit.
Dunno about that. Ledgers performance was incredible, certainly not shit. I think the difference is that I felt Ledger was playing a character, whereas I felt that Phoenix joker was a very real, troubled, mentally ill person.
Still scratching my head about why there was a prerelease freak out. The dude wasn't an Incel and was banging a hot black woman.
Yeah, it's not an incel movie as the story isn't about his inability to get laid. BTW, was he banging her? I thought that was in his head, like the first scene where he goes on De Niro's show.
He murders some white yuppie arseholes on the subway. I thought it was brilliant how an essentially good person can become completely effed up because of the way he's raised and treated by his caregiver and then society. I think the scary part is how this kind of "uprising" could definitely take place in a post-covid world.
Yeah, absolutely. That's exactly what it's about. There is no doubt that in a post Covid world, certain places / cities are at risk of having some elements of Gotham as portrayed in Joker.
Digression and half arsed undergraduate review over. Excellent film and one of the few I could actually continue watching to the end these days.
Yeah agree. Excellent film, but not one for me. Just too dark.
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@mn5 said in Movie review thread...:
People wank on about Ledgers performance simply cos he died and elevating dead artists to another stratosphere is the done thing to do.
Tom Hardy as Bane shat all over him in my opinion.
Bullshit on the first one. Ledger's Joker was an incredible character portrayed by one hell of an actor. Worthy Oscar performance.
Second one is just an artistic opinion I disagree with, so not fair to call it bullshit ...
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@majorrage said in Movie review thread...:
@mn5 said in Movie review thread...:
People wank on about Ledgers performance simply cos he died and elevating dead artists to another stratosphere is the done thing to do.
Tom Hardy as Bane shat all over him in my opinion.
Bullshit on the first one. Ledger's Joker was an incredible character portrayed by one hell of an actor. Worthy Oscar performance.
Second one is just an artistic opinion I disagree with, so not fair to call it bullshit ...
Not sure about that. I'd argue he may not have even been nominated if he hadn't topped himself. Not saying it wasn't a great performance, but Oscar winning?
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i thought there was chatter about "oscar worthy" before he died, during filming even that he was taking it too a different level
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Movie review thread...:
@majorrage said in Movie review thread...:
@mn5 said in Movie review thread...:
People wank on about Ledgers performance simply cos he died and elevating dead artists to another stratosphere is the done thing to do.
Tom Hardy as Bane shat all over him in my opinion.
Bullshit on the first one. Ledger's Joker was an incredible character portrayed by one hell of an actor. Worthy Oscar performance.
Second one is just an artistic opinion I disagree with, so not fair to call it bullshit ...
Not sure about that. I'd argue he may not have even been nominated if he hadn't topped himself. Not saying it wasn't a great performance, but Oscar winning?
I Wouldn't say I'm expert enough on acting to go into a deep dive, but without doubt.
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@majorrage said in Movie review thread...:
Joker.
Dark, miserable sad. Really hard watching, not for me.
However. I cannot think of a better performance than
Phoenix. In anything. Ever.4 laughs out of 5 bad teeth.
Watched a while ago - found it really hard to watch as well. Might be worth a re-visit soon to see what it does for me.
Yep, I thought Phoenix was outstanding. Tour de force performance which made you watch even though it was uncomfortable.
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@majorrage said in Movie review thread...:
@mn5 said in Movie review thread...:
People wank on about Ledgers performance simply cos he died and elevating dead artists to another stratosphere is the done thing to do.
Tom Hardy as Bane shat all over him in my opinion.
Bullshit on the first one. Ledger's Joker was an incredible character portrayed by one hell of an actor. Worthy Oscar performance.
Second one is just an artistic opinion I disagree with, so not fair to call it bullshit ...
Heath Ledger never did it for me overall. Similar to River Phoenix, I just think people use their suicides as a way to highlight how “troubled and tortured” they were and point out how they “brought it out in their performances” and other such bullshit as a way to make themselves feel intellectually superior.
He was decent, easily the best role I ever saw him in but the moment he died the wankfest started in earnest.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Movie review thread...:
@majorrage said in Movie review thread...:
@mn5 said in Movie review thread...:
People wank on about Ledgers performance simply cos he died and elevating dead artists to another stratosphere is the done thing to do.
Tom Hardy as Bane shat all over him in my opinion.
Bullshit on the first one. Ledger's Joker was an incredible character portrayed by one hell of an actor. Worthy Oscar performance.
Second one is just an artistic opinion I disagree with, so not fair to call it bullshit ...
Not sure about that. I'd argue he may not have even been nominated if he hadn't topped himself. Not saying it wasn't a great performance, but Oscar winning?
Being awarded an Oscar isn't the best measure IMO. Shakespeare In Love won Oscars.
While people can argue about the relative merits of performances, when someone rubbishes Ledger's Joker, I wonder the level of oxygen deprivation of having their head shoved that far up their own arse.
I don't like Joaquin Phoenix but I can acknowledge his performance was amazing. Absolutely believable and compelling from an artist with hugely disparate work.
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@antipodean said in Movie review thread...:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Movie review thread...:
@majorrage said in Movie review thread...:
@mn5 said in Movie review thread...:
People wank on about Ledgers performance simply cos he died and elevating dead artists to another stratosphere is the done thing to do.
Tom Hardy as Bane shat all over him in my opinion.
Bullshit on the first one. Ledger's Joker was an incredible character portrayed by one hell of an actor. Worthy Oscar performance.
Second one is just an artistic opinion I disagree with, so not fair to call it bullshit ...
Not sure about that. I'd argue he may not have even been nominated if he hadn't topped himself. Not saying it wasn't a great performance, but Oscar winning?
Being awarded an Oscar isn't the best measure IMO. Shakespeare In Love won Oscars.
While people can argue about the relative merits of performances, when someone rubbishes Ledger's Joker, I wonder the level of oxygen deprivation of having their head shoved that far up their own arse.
I don't like Joaquin Phoenix but I can acknowledge his performance was amazing. Absolutely believable and compelling from an artist with hugely disparate work.
Who was rubbishing his Joker? Seems the only real "criticism" is that it was really good but perhaps not the genius performance some claim.
I think what sets Phoenix's Joker apart is the realism of it all. Nicholson and Ledger were doing their job by camping it up a bit (they're Batman films after all) but there was nothing amusing about the latest incarnation.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Movie review thread...:
@antipodean said in Movie review thread...:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Movie review thread...:
@majorrage said in Movie review thread...:
@mn5 said in Movie review thread...:
People wank on about Ledgers performance simply cos he died and elevating dead artists to another stratosphere is the done thing to do.
Tom Hardy as Bane shat all over him in my opinion.
Bullshit on the first one. Ledger's Joker was an incredible character portrayed by one hell of an actor. Worthy Oscar performance.
Second one is just an artistic opinion I disagree with, so not fair to call it bullshit ...
Not sure about that. I'd argue he may not have even been nominated if he hadn't topped himself. Not saying it wasn't a great performance, but Oscar winning?
Being awarded an Oscar isn't the best measure IMO. Shakespeare In Love won Oscars.
While people can argue about the relative merits of performances, when someone rubbishes Ledger's Joker, I wonder the level of oxygen deprivation of having their head shoved that far up their own arse.
I don't like Joaquin Phoenix but I can acknowledge his performance was amazing. Absolutely believable and compelling from an artist with hugely disparate work.
Who was rubbishing his Joker?
MN5
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Movie review thread...:
I think what sets Phoenix's Joker apart is the realism of it all. Nicholson and Ledger were doing their job by camping it up a bit (they're Batman films after all) but there was nothing amusing about the latest incarnation.
Yeah, thats exactly what I think too. Ledger, and to a lesser extent Nicholson, were both playing characters. Fictional, made up characters which gave them leeway in how it was presented.
Phoenix played a truly disturbed, mentally ill man. And by fuck it was convincing. Absolutely phenomenal.
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@antipodean said in Movie review thread...:
Being awarded an Oscar isn't the best measure IMO. Shakespeare In Love won Oscars.
I'm not sure if there is a better benchmark though when it comes auto acting.
When it comes to other Oscars given out, yes I agree entirely.
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Joker in some comics and older Batman series is a larger than life, camp type character, most of the villains are.
I think Phoenix' portrayal possibly strayed further by giving an insight into his maniacal side that made him rather than the character we see opposing batman.
That's my professional analysis anyway.
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Old Henry
4 farmers out of 5 old hands
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@antipodean said in Movie review thread...:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Movie review thread...:
@antipodean said in Movie review thread...:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Movie review thread...:
@majorrage said in Movie review thread...:
@mn5 said in Movie review thread...:
People wank on about Ledgers performance simply cos he died and elevating dead artists to another stratosphere is the done thing to do.
Tom Hardy as Bane shat all over him in my opinion.
Bullshit on the first one. Ledger's Joker was an incredible character portrayed by one hell of an actor. Worthy Oscar performance.
Second one is just an artistic opinion I disagree with, so not fair to call it bullshit ...
Not sure about that. I'd argue he may not have even been nominated if he hadn't topped himself. Not saying it wasn't a great performance, but Oscar winning?
Being awarded an Oscar isn't the best measure IMO. Shakespeare In Love won Oscars.
While people can argue about the relative merits of performances, when someone rubbishes Ledger's Joker, I wonder the level of oxygen deprivation of having their head shoved that far up their own arse.
I don't like Joaquin Phoenix but I can acknowledge his performance was amazing. Absolutely believable and compelling from an artist with hugely disparate work.
Who was rubbishing his Joker?
MN5
Actually, I said he was decent and it was easily his best work but I won’t expect you to let the truth get in the way of whatever you’re tying to say.
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@mn5 said in Movie review thread...:
@antipodean said in Movie review thread...:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Movie review thread...:
@antipodean said in Movie review thread...:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Movie review thread...:
@majorrage said in Movie review thread...:
@mn5 said in Movie review thread...:
People wank on about Ledgers performance simply cos he died and elevating dead artists to another stratosphere is the done thing to do.
Tom Hardy as Bane shat all over him in my opinion.
Bullshit on the first one. Ledger's Joker was an incredible character portrayed by one hell of an actor. Worthy Oscar performance.
Second one is just an artistic opinion I disagree with, so not fair to call it bullshit ...
Not sure about that. I'd argue he may not have even been nominated if he hadn't topped himself. Not saying it wasn't a great performance, but Oscar winning?
Being awarded an Oscar isn't the best measure IMO. Shakespeare In Love won Oscars.
While people can argue about the relative merits of performances, when someone rubbishes Ledger's Joker, I wonder the level of oxygen deprivation of having their head shoved that far up their own arse.
I don't like Joaquin Phoenix but I can acknowledge his performance was amazing. Absolutely believable and compelling from an artist with hugely disparate work.
Who was rubbishing his Joker?
MN5
Actually, I said he was decent and it was easily his best work but I won’t expect you to let the truth get in the way of whatever you’re tying to say.
I guess unless someone else wrote this post https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/post/650801
Some people can accept actors they've "never warmed to" can produce a good performance. They can also discard the hyperbole and not automatically not be contrarian. Obviously you're not one of them.
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@taniwharugby said in Movie review thread...:
Joker in some comics and older Batman series is a larger than life, camp type character, most of the villains are.
I think Phoenix' portrayal possibly strayed further by giving an insight into his maniacal side that made him rather than the character we see opposing batman.
That's my professional analysis anyway.
its interesting, its actually the one area i struggle with the Nolan Batmans films, they tried/claimed to go more realistic and less camp.....but then still had a grown man decide dressing up as a Bat with a full on cape was a logical thing to do
at least if you lean in to the camp or fantastical side of things to can just decide this is very much not the real world and so people can "logically" decide to do things no one in the real world would
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@antipodean said in Movie review thread...:
@mn5 said in Movie review thread...:
@antipodean said in Movie review thread...:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Movie review thread...:
@antipodean said in Movie review thread...:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Movie review thread...:
@majorrage said in Movie review thread...:
@mn5 said in Movie review thread...:
People wank on about Ledgers performance simply cos he died and elevating dead artists to another stratosphere is the done thing to do.
Tom Hardy as Bane shat all over him in my opinion.
Bullshit on the first one. Ledger's Joker was an incredible character portrayed by one hell of an actor. Worthy Oscar performance.
Second one is just an artistic opinion I disagree with, so not fair to call it bullshit ...
Not sure about that. I'd argue he may not have even been nominated if he hadn't topped himself. Not saying it wasn't a great performance, but Oscar winning?
Being awarded an Oscar isn't the best measure IMO. Shakespeare In Love won Oscars.
While people can argue about the relative merits of performances, when someone rubbishes Ledger's Joker, I wonder the level of oxygen deprivation of having their head shoved that far up their own arse.
I don't like Joaquin Phoenix but I can acknowledge his performance was amazing. Absolutely believable and compelling from an artist with hugely disparate work.
Who was rubbishing his Joker?
MN5
Actually, I said he was decent and it was easily his best work but I won’t expect you to let the truth get in the way of whatever you’re tying to say.
I guess unless someone else wrote this post https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/post/650801
Some people can accept actors they've "never warmed to" can produce a good performance. They can also discard the hyperbole and not automatically not be contrarian. Obviously you're not one of them.
What I was saying then was I wasn’t falling over myself praising his performance and pointing out I much preferred Hardy. Not really much more to be said and I can’t help if you misinterpret it so I’ll leave it at that.
